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Hmm... I thought I would also do a search for "Duane L Weber" and see what I came up with. What I came up with was something I did not expect... which appears to be Jo trying to get hold of Zona under false pretences: From: Homes4ubyjo@aol.com Subject: Re: geneaology Date: 24 Aug 2005 00:43:44 -0600 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ABg.2ACEB/342.581 Message Board Post: I am looking for a Zona xxxx born in or about 1946 or there abouts. Her mothers name was Edna. The father may or may not have been listed at Duane L. Weber It is urgent I find Zona as there are heretidary health that she needs to know about. This is all that I know except that they may have lived in CA, TX, Mx, or ILL http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GREER/2005-08/1124865824 Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Jo, please stop referring to people that live in Manufactured Housing as "trailer trash". It is a very demeaning characterization. Manufactured Housing is considered low-income housing and is a very valuable housing option and resource. Anybody can be considered 'trash' regardless of their economic status. Very valid point. Calling people trash because of their misfortune or background is mean and prejudiced. And I can think of a fair amount of very rich people who can certainly be called trash... even if they have LV bags just to put their dogs in. In South Africa, redneck is a derogatory term used to refer to English-speaking people, btw. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

OK, there's something I'm not getting about this. If it only takes a few minutes for the bills to fan out ...then yes, why indeed were the bills in perfect alignment when they were found? Had they only been in the water for less than a few minutes? (well, there has been speculation before they were actually planted by the Ingrams.) If not, one has to assume they were buried in the riverbank/sand, not thrown in the water. If the intention is to throw investigators off the trail (a rather daft assumption in my opinion given the time lapse), that seems a bit silly, because you are hiding the bills. So, what reason could there be to bury the bills? Because, if you take Kaye's conclusion to its logical end, irrespective of whether flow or mechanical or human hand took the money there, it was not just "in the water" for very long at all. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Hmm... Farflung, are you putting Kittinger forward as a suspect?? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Well thank you Blevins.. that was a useful post.

Gray did an interview with Tom Kaye, and spent quite a bit of time with him. You want to call him a liar, to say he misquoted Kaye? You tell him yourself. Otherwise I will accept that the interview is accurate and Kaye is fairly quoted. You should go to the source and ask Tom Kaye if that quote from the book is accurate. I have his email address and will give it to you in a PM if you wish. a) there is a difference between being a liar and being confused...not sure you understand that b) I still think Georger is absolutely correct, that you cannot claim to say something for definite without a direct source to the information. Examples from the thread: there is certainty on what is in the transcripts (except for the redacted bits obviously) as we have access to them. On the other hand, there is not consensus about what certain players have said because the information is second-hand. Just because you read it in a book doesn't automatically make it true. And again, I point to the confusion about the silver particles as an obvious example. So, when YOU speak to Kaye and get it from the horse's mouth, feel free to tell us for definite. I have better things to do than act as a fact-checker for your forum posts. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

You can't quote books to tell us what people think. We know books get it wrong, whether deliberately or accidentally (such as the apparent confusion over the silver particles in Gray's book). If YOU got it straight from TOM that would be different. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Just read that article and was going to mention it! Thought it was quite sad. I attended a catholic convent school for a few years in primary (elementary) school...so it's kind of close to home. (I have been nervous about mentioning this fact in farflung's presence, understandably I'm sure...). Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Yes, I do know this. I know that you believe that Weber was Cooper, and that nothing anyone says will change your mind. What I don't understand is why you keep trying to convince other people of this, and then get upset when they find your ...explanations/ anecdotes/ call them what you will, unconvincing. If you believe it, that's fine. I just think you'd save yourself a lot of angst if you stopped trying to get everyone else to believe it too. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Jo, You have NEVER put the money in the river. In your own previous posts on this thread, you have stated that you did NOT know what was in the paper sack (or sacks) that Duane threw into the river. You are apparently trying to make a federal case out of Duane just throwing trash into the Columbia. This is typical of Jo. (In fact it is typical of any conspiracy theory.) Present X event. Mention that X possibly, just possibly, could have been Y. Thereafter, it is stated as given that it is in fact Y. Just like Jo has started stating unequivocally that Duane was Cooper - her post did not say that she was with Duane when he put some unknown something in the river, but that she was with Cooper when he put the money in the river. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Georger, point taken about people wanting to go missing, but this is someone that the marshalls were actively looking for as well apparently. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Mel Ward went missing. He was already a wanted felon and has never been found. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Did you not mean "..out of that maize"? Good one, really good Orange. But kinda corny. 377 Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Did you not mean "..out of that maize"? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I think: Cooper knew the 727 could be jumped. I think this points to someone with jumping experience or at least exposure, like a loadmaster. So is the jump survivable? Sure. Does that mean that Cooper necessarily survived, though? No. Look at the incidents pages, they are full of people dying on survivable jumps. I do think the chances of a whuffo surviving the jump are way less than for an experienced jumper. Apart from the blindingly obvious reasons, this is also because as far as we know, the rig was a hard pull. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

377....kool-aid? Is there a Timothy Leary connection perhaps? Jo, millions of people used money clips. Probably at least as many as wore clip-on ties. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

I disagree that remains would 'surely' have been found. (there is also a theory that has been put forward that remains were found, and buried/otherwise disposed of and the money taken by the finder But I prefer occam who gives us plenty of examples of searches that miss what they are looking for for months, years or decades.) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

maybe not sunlight, but was the rig exposed to heat? erm, can one of you chemist types help me out - I did a search for "rubber degradation" and this came up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer_degradation How much of what we call "rubber" is actually natural rubber and how much is really polymer? Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Afraid of heights ... about as transparent as Ckret Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Jo, you know i'm not part of this. I'll keep looking for the smoking gun on my end as I'm sure you will. Nobody hates Jo. But this is her response to people pointing out the many flaws in her argument. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Just to labor the point: re the possibility that Cooper died on the jump, the most common 'objection' to this theory was that nobody had just disappeared, someone would have missed them etc etc. Well, Mel just disappeared. And Jo, I have said this before: we are not as stupid or gullible as you seem to think we are. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Again: just because cooper's body has not been found, does not mean it is not out there. Harder to find than a plane and look how long that can take even when you know when to search. I think vicki's circumstantial evidence around Mel is strong, certainly stronger than some of the other rubbish that gets spouted here, and do not understand why the FBI do not at least do a fingerprint check. I wonder what Carr thinks of Mel... Such a pity he got chased away by Xx Xxxxx. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Farflung, you disappoint me. The connection is obvious. You haven't investigated the cheesecake connection to hot nuns, have you? I don't think nuns keep poodles though. Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

Yes, he's kidding you. (I thought that was obvious....) Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

377 is: - by a long way not the oldest person skydiving out there - far more likely to survive/stay unbroken than all those youngsters with mad skillz Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.