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No it doesn't without a living will the parents she have final say......

I'm sure Bill can answer that question better then I since Amy is a doctor. The way I see it, if a medical team ask me to leave the room, they are the experts, not me. I'm going to listen to them and excuse myself from the room. Not be a problem to the point that the police had to be called in to remove Terri's father. Do you think the medical team is lieing about the situation? What do they have to gain from a lie? No I'm not saying their lying, hell most hopice center will send a patient home when there is hope left. With the feeding tube removed and his daughter ready for death I question what kind of assessment their were doing that the father would have to leave the room. Doesn't matter what kind of assesment they were doing. If he was being an ass, they might ask him to leave. He was being a ass because they asked him to leave.....

This isn't the case! Mike didn't have proof that she even said that, but since he by law makes the desicions then it's up to him. Why don't you, the guy with no profile, answer his hypothetical question? He's just doing the gut check on whether you are really interested in "who makes the decision" rather than "which decision you prefer happens to lie with the parents in this particular case" Edit: Real simple - Imagine your wife is in the hospital under similar circumstances as TS, Your in-laws want to pull the feeding tube (you had a serious conversation with her years ago and you know she would disagree with her folks). Do you make a stink or let them make the call? How does she know she disagrees unless she had this same conversation with her parents and to your real sample I would let my in-laws make the decision and I would glad to answer Bill questions but severely is way to broad....

I'm sure Bill can answer that question better then I since Amy is a doctor. The way I see it, if a medical team ask me to leave the room, they are the experts, not me. I'm going to listen to them and excuse myself from the room. Not be a problem to the point that the police had to be called in to remove Terri's father. Do you think the medical team is lieing about the situation? What do they have to gain from a lie? No I'm not saying their lying, hell most hopice center will send a patient home when there is hope left. With the feeding tube removed and his daughter ready for death I question what kind of assessment their were doing that the father would have to leave the room.

This isn't the case! Mike didn't have proof that she even said that, but since he by law makes the desicions then it's up to him.

Your reasoning is severely flawed. HOW? Or Which Part? MINISTER TO GROOM: Do you GROOM'S NAME take BRIDE'S NAME to be your wife – to live together after God’s ordinance – in the holy estate of matrimony? Will you love her, comfort her, honor and keep her, in sickness and in health, for richer, for poorer, for better, for worse, in sadness and in joy, to cherish and continually bestow upon her your heart’s deepest devotion, forsaking all others, keep yourself only unto her as long as you both shall live?

Says who? That's right her husband and the courts that beleived him. Again without a living will the parents should be the deciding factor and just let the widow get on with their lives unless of course the agree. BS.. parents have little to no legal influence past the age of majority, nor should they.. at the point you become an, you make the decisions on who, what, when and how your life is conducted, including who shares responsibility for those decisions in your absence (the spouse) her choice to marry HIM places HIS judgment above the parents.. (maybe you should re read the 'traditional' wedding vows??) anyone who does not accept that their spouse is now first and foremost the decisive authority SHOULDNT GET MARRIED... do you want your mother in law making daily decisions for your husband/wife in their absence instead of you?? Wedding VOWS - Are you f'n joking, how many couples break these vows on monthy, yearly basis. Sorry but my point that I was trying to make was that YOUR parents (MOSTLY) only have good intentions when it comes to there kids and no not DAILY decisions but DEATH=forever desicion then yes. I just married their daughter, but it's their daughter THEY created her.

I would love to know what kind of a medical assessment was being done that her father would have to leave.. She was near death already!

Ok how would you feel if the roles were reversed? Lets say Mike wanted her to live, but the parents say they knew she would want to die... What would you say then? It wouldn't happen because there her parents :) Not my point! The bottom line is that it doesn't matter what was said or not said, he has the legal right and can make it up, where was HIS proof, oh that's right we had this conversation like 20 years ago and she said she didn't want to live like this. What if she was in a coma and the whole time was like you F'ers put the fedding tube back in me. Fox reported that in FL in someone is to be cremated it is the law that a autopsy be done.....If this is the case it's not like Mike so was doing anyone a favor.

Your point was that spouses should not have the right to make these choices since they sometimes kill each other. A bad argument that fell very quickly. Wrong MS had all the info he needed. She told him. You may not agree with that, or that he had it, but it was clear that her parents did not have any proof to the contrary. Give me one reason he tried to ge her rehabilitated for 7 years? Give me one reason he didn't divorce Terri like her parents and others wanted...Even offered to PAY him to divorce her? ONE reason. As I said in another thread, I don't agree with that choice, but I understand it...Her parents had been a real pain in the fucking ass....going so far as to accuse Mike of abusing Terri and even causing her condition. What fucking crazy nutbags. I would not let then near her either, it would have been a bigger circus than it was...You know there were jugglers there right? She would hahve passed and instead of it being quite and peacful they would have been yelling and calling Mike a murderer. I'd rather she pass quietly if she was my wife. I would to, but The law is the only thing that matters, LETS SAY THAT SHE NEVER REALLY SAID THAT SHE WOULDN"T WANT TO LIVE IS THIS STATE and her husband said that she if fact did...........same result quit feeding her.

You choose your spouse. Or your parents could be wack jobs that wnat you to wear tin foil hats and eat only every other day only. Your parents may be religious nut jobs...That does not make you one. You choose who you want to marry. My father and mother are religious, my wife was not. I PICKED my wife, she knew what my wishes were. Wife trumps Parents. Thats part of being married. She told the husband and friends...Her parents did not accept that, but the courts did. The courts did because he had the legal right over the her, but I guess my bitch is with the law. Sure things are good when there good, but when things go sour look out.

People get married and people get divorce, but your parents are always you parents! Again without a living will the parents should trump spouses period.

The law. Spouse beats Parents...And it should be that way. I had conversations with the woman I CHOOSE to be with that I did not have with my parents. Her parents wanted her around just so they could feel better...They never took her wishes into account. Way should it be that way? Parents bring you into life and should trump what could be a bitter spouse who has bad intentions. Not saying he did, but lets agree that if the parents had the legal right she would still be here. "She said she didn't want to live like this" OK you have the legal right over her so ........stop feeding her No one know what her wishes were! He won because he had the legal right lain and simple.

Says who? That's right her husband and the courts that beleived him. Again without a living will the parents should be the deciding factor and just let the widow get on with their lives unless of course the agree.

I was on a date the other night (wow can you believe I actually got a date) and during part of this date, myself and this woman discussed the "Right to Die" topic and this girl told me that "she would not want to live like Terri has lived these last 15 years". So if i was to go on and become serious with this woman I've already had the conversation with her. Of course a Living Will is a must after this debacle, but why is it so hard for the "Pro Lifers at all Cost" to believe that the Shiavos didn't also have their conversation. I do agree that how they killed her (this whole starvation and dehydration business) seems wrong in a modern compassionate society. But all medical evidence is that Terri Shavio ceased to exist as many knew her back in 1990 with no chance at a meaningful recovery. And now she is finally at peace. Of course the religious and secular societal battles have only begun and don't be surprised if/when some nut case pops Michael Shiavo, Michael Shiavo's lawyer and judge Greer. Sure people have this conversation, BUT when you have it for the most part your not in this condition and I'm sure things can change and they do and as far as the way she dies, (this whole starvation and dehydration business) they said she wouldn't even know the difference.

HIS Judgement? Their becoming one person was over 15 years ago like you said when she left this planet.

I think without a will the parents if alive should have the legal right to deal with this. When push comes to shove they "well most" are your only real friends.

If he was a republican, you would love him!

I understand your point, but what about the people this asshole preyed on and killed...Where was their due process. I guess I like the death penalty, people will say yeah let him go to prison and rot, but none of them including me know what it is like when that final curtain comes down...done ranting I think it more degrading not to kill people of crimes like this...

I didn't read the article, but if he confessed then just take him out back and shoot him and if not wait until trial is over and if found guilty then take him out back and shoot him....... I'm very sick of seeing people commiting such crimes and getting life..F that

For instance....let's say someone has severely hurt you or someone close to you.....not physically, but let's say perhaps you're a husband that catches your wife cheating on you. Isn't that what women are suppose to do?

I don't know exactly what the details are, but does this need to change and go Federal? Put the national guard on the Mexico border before it's to late.....

The Evil that men do lives on and .........

I think the election was a great thing!. But the BUSH LOVERS take the since were there additude and haven't really come up with a valid reason as to why we went there in the first place and I'm still waiting. Again I like Bush except for this Iraqi Thing. Do I think Iraq going to Democracy govt. was worth the American and allied troops that lost their lives.......NO Afganistan is one thing Iraq was something different.

Ted Turner saying something crazy.......say it isn't so! While I disagree with the comparsion, when it comes to the liberal media Foxs news doesn't fit into that category