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those of you that said you HAVE played competitivly and they arent athletes you mind explaining that one to me? but so far this poll shows just what I thought it would, though I would like some more responses But people tend to view things they dont do as less worthy. granted everyone has not played everything, but just because you havent played it, and seen it on TV once and it looks easy doesnt mean its not a sport. ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

i dont see how golfing takes Physical strength or agility. if a golfer is an athlete than why doesn't the guy who walks around the streets/parks picking up trash qualify as an athlete? yeah I read that the first time too, and I do say they are. If the person picking up trash, was harpooning it from various distances, and competing against some of the best trash picker uppers in the world, I would agree with your statement. ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

that pretty much sums it up... golf is a game, not a sport... while those with better athletic abilities will do better at nearly anything, simply playing golf doesnt make you an 'athlete' so why is it that those that are great at other "sports" never seem to cut it as competitve golfers? sure some get good, but none have moved on to the upper tier of golf as they did in their sport.. Hell Jorden is good at golf, but he couldnt win a PGA event, and He's one of the greatest athletes in our time. ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

I would have a wide range of what an athlete is, only because MY definition of an Athlete is: someone who combines both physical and mental skills, in a competitive enviroment, for a particular activity. which would make alot of things people probably wouldnt consider sports, sports. like curling, skating, hell pretty much the winter olympics! but according to webster (a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina.) I dont see how golf doesnt fit that. golf requires all 3 strength, agility, and stamina, so by definition you would have to be trained or skilled in all 3 ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

thats the competitive option! I've never played a game more competitive then mini golf! ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

how does accuracy have nothing to do with it, thats what makes it a sport, otherwise your just a nature watcher. Anyone can walk a course, anyone can stand on a soccer field or ride a bike. being able to do that AND play the sport is what makes them an Athlete. Hell I could complete the tour de france, it may take me a few months, with lots of breaks but I COULD do it. thats doesnt make me an athlete, it makes me someone that took 3 months to do what a real athlete does in 3 weeks. Just because you can walk the course and hit every shot into the trees doesnt make you a golfer, or athlete. Accuracy is the golf end point, kinda like being able to play soccer makes you a soccer player. not just running around on the field ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

your right, if it was just stopping every few hundred yeards, but you forgot there is the whole shooting part that comes with that shot. when you on the 16th whole on sunday, and your tired, and you need to be 1 under for the next 3 holes to win, thats gonna require perfect execution, and thats where the difference is ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

I'm just curious how many people that have been voting in the other polls actually have played golf and to what extent. Just want to know how many people say its not a sport, and never have tried it, and for those of you that golf, but golf means riding a cart, drinking a beer, and taking mulligan(sp?) try walking 18, play everyshot, dont drink beer, and see how much different the game really is. and how much different your score will be Im not saying its bad to play the cart/beer drinking kinda golf, cause it is fun, just saying do it that way once in your life to feel the difference ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

Is wrestling a "physicaly demanding" sport? Cause some of them have some meat to their bones, and yes I do mean WWE and greco roman. I guess I am talking from my personal experience which really isn't valid to topic. When I play golf it is relaxing I never break a sweat, unless it's really hot, I never feel the physical demand of the sport. However I do see how mental concentration is key to the game but that goes with any sport and does not automaticaly make you an athlete, in my opinion. and you are talking about recreational golf, Im betting ur golfing is riding in a cart for 18 holes, drinking some beer and shooting a 100+, like most recreational golfers. Theres a big difference when your talking about playing competitivly. If you played a 72 hole tournement, had to walk, and were capable of winning, thats impressive, let alone if you do it against the best in the world. I like to ride my bike, and its relaxing, does that mean cycling isnt a strenuous sport? people golfing for the hell of it arent athletes, just like people playing on a adult softball team, volleyball team, soccer club, or ride their bikes for fun arent. Because there is a big difference in all of those when you play it competitivly, or professionally for that matter. ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

Ooh great statement, so lets see what's not a sport in ur definition then: Golf, baseball, basketball, soccer, cricket, tennis, volleyball, football(american - for the most part), running (since you said having a heart attck from exertion doesn't count), rowing... Just to name a few that your definiton limits out ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

Is wrestling a "physicaly demanding" sport? Cause some of them have some meat to their bones, and yes I do mean WWE and greco roman. ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

Kind of but not exactly - i am saying that you are unlikely to become a top class rower unless you are six foot plus with lungs like a horse for example. I am not saying you are not an athlete, just that physiological makeup tends to dictate who will and won't be the next lance armstrong/steve redgrave/ carl lewis/ etc etc etc. I could have all the talent in the world (but i don't ) and row a boat 8 hours a day for 20 years, and still never beat steve redgrave for example because i am only 5'8". Thats a simplistic example but i think it applies more to the more physical sports than it does to golf. (and no i don't play much golf - doesn't float my boat. Have nothing agaainst it and do happen to think that TW is an amazing sportsman, but not necessarily an amazing athelete) (edited coz i pressed the wrong button) well then thats not an athlete, thats njust genetic make up. true a guy thats taller can have a longer stroke of that of a shorter guy, but a true athlete trancends that difference. Other wise someone cant become great they are just made that way. You dont have to be the "perfect" body type to be dominent at your sport. look at the differences between greg maddex, and Randy Johnson, both comeplety different, and both found ways to dominate, its just adjusting to what god gave you. but I forgot baseball isnt a "sport" is it? Body type can give people advantages or disadvantage, but a great athlete will over come those differences, and win. Your body cant be the "perfect" body for driving, long iron/short iron shots, putting, and chiping. You learn to play your strenghts and limit the use of what your not good at. Tigers not a great putter, he practices putting all day and night, to be one of the best out there, he woulda won the U.S. open this year if it wasnt for putting. but hes great with his Irons, so he trys to have a short iron approach so he's putting within 8 feet. He risks using his driver, knowing that about 4-6 times in a round its going in the rough, but those 4-6 times he plays for par, and the other 12-14 times he plays for birdie. He's prob not making a 20+ foot putt. There are others that drive longer then him, put better then him, are more accurate with irons then him, but what makes him great is his ability to adjust to that, and limit his weaknesses.. Thats what makes lance great, Thats what makes any athlete great. If it was strickly the tallest, best fit person was the best athlete, there would be no reason for training... ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

I never said being dominent at cycling was easy, I think its incredibly difficult to be dominent at any sport, baseball, football, golf, cycling, boxing, cricket whatever. However a golf tourney is so short only 4 days, and the fact that there are 4 majors, at mostly different courses that you have to prepare for, couple that into the fact that every centimeter of ur body affect your golf swing, I dont see how its not the most difficult thing to master. Lance prepares for 1 event, trains for it year round, if lance screws up, and has a bad ride, 2 days in a row, he has a 3 week tourney in which to make up time. you have 1 bad day in golf let alone 2, you probably wont get a chance to play on the weekend, not to mention if you do, and your 10 shots back, its hard to make that up, cause the weekends at majors are set up for even par scoring. If tiger would only play in one major a year, and it was a 3 week long event, I'd say Lance was far better, but in golf, your preparing for a different course almost every week, and a different major once a month. that play to different strenghts. There is just alot more factors that can fuck you over. obviously cycling is more physically demanding on your body, but I think more then just exertion makes you an athlete. I said it in an earlier post. If Lance were to ride 2 or more tournments with the best riders in the world, every year, and still dominate like he has, or even like Tiger has, I'd give the nod to Lance. Winnning 1 tournement a year in golf wouldnt even get you on ESPN. Hell winning 1 major a year barely gets you on the news. ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

so your saing your only an athlete if your born that good, not if you can train/teach yourself to be that dominent? ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

Tiger is kinda tall hes like 6'2, not short by any strech, and yes his muscle to mental mix is what makes him so dominent, yes you can be good at golf, and not have the ideal body type, but just because your bigger doesnt mean you dont have muscle either. Golf just isnt dependent on being light, like cycling. Tigers muscle allows him to be longer on drives, and irons, which is where his advantage really comes in. but judging by the fact that ur saying your not sure how tall tiger is, im gussing you dont really watch or pay attention to golf. Try paying attention to it, and you will see how just a tiny thing can take you from winning a tournment, to not making the cut, and there isnt anything in cycling that can do that. even if your off alot in cycling one day, you can just make it up the next day, or over the next week. and if lances foot angle or boddy position is off by an inch, it wont make him loose the tour, where as you do that in golf all day, your going home on friday. ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

My phone won't let me edit for some reason, so Edited to add: I did misread the word complete to say complete, but my point still stands ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

Thats like saying I know lots of people who can hit a golf ball round a course but i don't know many who could complete the tour de france - you are not comparing the same thing. Ok then, I know lots of people that can ride a bike 100+ but not many that can break par on a public course in their town, is that a closer comparison? And what I said wasn't the same, I never said compete in the U.S. Open, I said make the cut, and then lowered my standards to just qualify for the field. I am betting many people can ride the tour de france, not many can compete. Which is the same in golf, but riding the tour de france is just endurence, anyone can work their way there, winning it is skill, very few can work their way there Qualifying for a major, or any PGA tourney isn't that easy, I can give thousands of people clubs for years, and they'd never be able to make their way to that. Not to mention that IF you can actually qualify THEN you have to make the cut against the best in the world. If I gave 1000 people golf clubs, and 1000 people bikes, and told then to train for the U.S open, and the tour de france respectivly, MAYBE 1 Might make the open, probably none, I'm betting ALOT could RIDE the tour, nonoe would probably compete though I'll agree to that ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

you people have got to stop comparing it to only sport you know, and except the fact that just because you dont expend so much energy your about to kill yourself, doesnt make it any less a sport, or anyless an althete I mean everybody know that Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, next to soccer. But seriously Lance isnt great people he can expend energy, he's great because he knows the limits on his body. he knows when to push it, and when to let people sprint by win. The same goes for everyone that is great, because those that go all out, will eventually get tired. its about stamina, and thats what you see in golf and baseball. I bet if Lance's foot pedals 10 degrees to the right then he normally does, it doesnt screw up his race. try hitting a golf ball 72 times in a round being off 10 degrees, bet you end up hitting it more like 120 time! And as far as baseball, it takes the most skill out of anything to hit a 100 mph fastball, or a 80 mph cureball that drops to the ground right as you swing, and if you havent been in the batters box when thats happened, you just dont know. it requires alot of muscle, and alot of endurence to last a 162 game season. It may not be indivduals as challenging aerobic wise, but to me just because you can expend energy, doesnt make you special. I can expend engery. when you have to combine skills, mental and physical, like recognizing the pitch 1/10 of a second after it leaves the pitchers hand, or hitting a ball so it has enough spin to stay on a green at shinacock. or not have your hands an inch in front of the club head at follow through. there are so many more aspects to master in golf, or baseball. then anyother sport I can think of. Cycliing is more physical challenging, but golf is a much more challenging sport to master, and dominate. I know lots of people that can ride a bike 100+ miles, I dont know too many people that could make a cut at the U.S Open, or hell even qualify for it at a course thats 1/10th as challenging ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

hey I hijacked NOTHING! I cant help it if people just LOVE to respond to me ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

That better be in the "I love you, man" kind of way and not the personal attack kind of way. i just piick on brandon because he has had 110 jumps for 2 years now... Hey I've done like 30 jumps this year dammit!

haha its ok, i forgot I had that as my sig line, and I just didnt put 2 and 2 together.. So I'm right there with ya! ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

That better be in the "I love you, man" kind of way and not the personal attack kind of way. I do believe I am personally offended... ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

well first off he won 4 different majors twice over, but they werent all at the same course. his major record was won on about 8 different courses. keep in mind only the masters stays at the same course. Golf you are competing against the course, weather that can take a good shot into the water or sand, and various attacks from many other golfers, that are VERY capable of winning everytime. When someone is second place to Tiger, its people that have multiple major wins themselves, not to mention many tournement wins. Lances closest competitors wouldnt have dominence of their game even if lance was gone. the only reson people like VIjay, Ernie, gooson, and mickelson, arent considered as dominent players is because of Tiger. You take Tiger away, and they would be considered dominent golfers. When you can suppress multiple players that have won multiple major wins, thats dominence. ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

how about Misty May and Kerri Walsh, going on a 89 match winning streak in 1 year, including an olympic gold! and lost only and going 128-9 in the last 2 years... thats pretty good too! ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...

I'm sorry when is it that pro golfers are riding around in carts? I can think of 1 pro that did, and that was hard fought in COURT to allow that. Its funny how everyone thinks its just hitting a ball with a "stick" if it was that easy, there would be alot more pros. your club head could be a half of millimetter off, and ur ball is hooked into the woods. Your approach has to be consistant, you dont have a team protecting your lead, and if anyone has ever played on a professional course, they will be able to tell you that keeping a ball on the green, and close to the hole itself is one of the toughest thing there is. Not saying Lance isnt a good athlete, but just because someone use a different set of muscles, doesnt make then any less of an athlete. There is far more skill in golf, and far more aerobic exercise in bicycling. But I would argue that Tiger is more dominent of an athlete. ---- -God, you are the perfect amount of dumb...