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You mean Northrop has something else up their sleve . Mr Rutan is now their employee.

BG radiation is probably isotropic at all locations, only very significant velocity deviations imparted after the expansion phase skew it for obvious reasons, i.e. a non sequitur. In workable frames of reference it does not spin around every 24 hours (which would actually rotate the 4D hypersphere (5D if you count receding over time) of the visible BG surface everywhere about the Earth's location. I'm not the one who invoked pre Galilean cosmology to pretend a perfectly legitimate question was meaningless. I don't worship the man I'm just pointing out that it was his seminal and extremely famous contribution you undermined in your first post. It would be a foolish astronomer who burdened his calculations with the rotation of everything around a point each 24 hours, and that specifically is what Galileo eliminated for the first time. You take claims about what Einstein formulated too far, his frames of reference referred to the constancy of the speed of light regardless of relative velocity then later to the curvature of space-time by gravity to the equivalent effect. He would object to your claim that a model where light everywhere in the universe swings around the Earth in great arcs each 24 hours is just as valid as a less geocentric frame of reference, especially when describing orbits. Ockham's Razor should be put to good use here. I had invited the Jovian-centric view for completeness, however rather appropriately you offered the lunatic one, . Saying absolutely nothing. The question was not meaningless as evidenced by the pedantic sophistry you have to employ to back such a silly assertion.

Gee so you are good with MORE OF THE SAME we have had for 8 years.. That depends what you mean, but if you actually look at what I wrote, all I was saying is I just don't see how any poster can expect to have it both ways. You cannot credibly level both accusations simultaneously.

We were discussing Romney.

Google picadors.

I'm with you, and the bull. There are some classic bull payback moments but this one might outdo them all for sheer scope.

Yea, there's something slightly contradictory about saying someone is a lying snake while simultaneously claiming they're so pious that they'd implement some troubling version of God's will.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,134908-page,1/article.html Too bad for DX-10 but that's a side issue for most folks.

Your smoke screen over your pedantic pish-posh is undermined by the posting record. Even others like FallRate spotted the flaw in your lame response to my observation that the locus of orbit still lies deep within the Earth, implying I said something I didn't, so why repeat the misrepresentation with a silly Apollo comment? I have known long before this thread how bodies orbit just as I have known that the Moon orbits around the Earth. Search this forum for "the gravitational force exerted on the Earth by you is the same as the gravitational force exerted on you by the Earth " and you'll find one post by me. As I said the Earth is now spinning around Galileo from a Galeocentric reference. As for the rest, at least try some new ad hominem, the fish ref was sad even the first time.

Bullshit. The one conviction in this case, for obstructing justice, and perjury was vacated by the criminal in chief himself. Those lies ensured that we would never know the truth. Your response verges on being a non-sequitur. Tell it to the judge, as I said read beyond the headline. As for the Libby prosecution, that was for actions long after any relevant to Plame's claim.

I don't think it is a uniquely American or French phenomenon. However a large portion of that audience got it wrong in the video I linked to.

P.S. You are correct though on the rather obvious difference. The geocentric view of the Sun rotating around the Earth is caused by the spin of the Earth on it's axis. It is quite silly to validate that claim with an unrelated observation that the gravitational orbit of the Moon is about a locus that lies within a wobbling Earth. A flawed view of the cosmos which Galileo almost died for correcting, is resurrected 400 years later in an attempt to look clever. The Earth is rotating around Galileo's corpse at a high rate of RMP right now, can't you feel it?

Lots of people say that about physics. Doesn't make it true, though. If the Moon rotates about the Earth, then so does the Sun. The Earth AND the Moon rotate about the barycenter. The barycenter is NOT the Earth, any more than you are the Earth. It's easy, really, to be accurate. Why are you so defensive of an ill-posed game show question? u didn't adress my response. the original question was what gravitates around the earth which means what is being pulled by gravity around the earth. so although it might appear that the sun is orbiting around the earth it can be proven that it isn't being pulled around the earth by gravity so the answer cannot be the sun. Each body exerts equal force upon the other. One is just more massive and moves less. When one body is much more massive than the other it moves so much less less that the locus around which they each orbit can lie within the more massive object. This is true for all moons and indeed Charon which used to be called a moon of Pluto has been reclassified. Charon is now referred to as a dwarf planet because the locus of their orbits lies outside the volume of Pluto between Pluto and Charon. Clearly even the IAU recognizes that moons should fit the definition of orbiting around their parent planet, not some point outside the volume of that planet.

Lots of people say that about physics. Doesn't make it true, though. If the Moon rotates about the Earth, then so does the Sun. The Earth AND the Moon rotate about the barycenter. The barycenter is NOT the Earth, any more than you are the Earth. It's easy, really, to be accurate. Why are you so defensive of an ill-posed game show question? As I have already explained that the center of rotation lies well within the Earth. Something you falsely claimed was inaccurate. I'm not defensive at all, you're the one who tried to be a smart ass with inane pedantry calling into question perfectly valid descriptions and summoning an obsolete model from the Dark Ages, astonishingly one that Galileo was convicted as a heretic for contradicting.

Aw crap.... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19877344/ Oh well, it was good while it lasted, at least now they can unionize and plan their next billion dollar budget overrun on a government handout.

Passing on the inside is legal in California, and if it isn't in your state GET THE HELL OVER. None of this has anything to do with the Feds who've already grabbed too much power. I like CA's pass on the inside rule, It stops everyone tailgating & getting pissed off in the fast lane and probably saves lives.

Depends on your frame of reference: If you insist on being geocentric, then the Sun is a correct answer too. If you don't insist, then both the Earth and the Moon both rotate about their common center of mass, and about the Sun, and about the center of the Galaxy, and... i'm trying to understand what u mean by this? the geocentric model is obviously incorrect. and although the translation used the word 'rotate' the actual word is 'what gravitates around the earth?' so regardless of perspective the answer is the moon. He means if you stand stationary on the Earth and imagine it is transparent then you literally see the Sun rotate around you just as you see the Earth stand still. You also see the stars and the rest of the universe rotate around you. Does the entire Universe rotate around the Earth? [squeaky_voice] "If you insist on a geocentric model then yes it does." [/squeaky_voice] Thankfully we don't have to pretend we're ancient Greeks when we look at the cellestial sphere. Is the Earth flat? [squeaky_voice] "Well if you insist on a geoplanar model yes it is." [/squeaky_voice] It's pedantic pish posh.

There was nothing inaccurate about my post, the Earth has a radius of approximately 6378 km placing the center of rotation well within its volume. Are you trying to forget or retract your pedantic geocentric nonsense or are you happy to side with the Catholics who called Galileo a Heretic? Perhaps you will deliver the joviancentric model next for completeness? Tell me professor, do the wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round or is it the bus on the wheels that goes 'round? Next you'll be telling us that the Federation of American Scientists doesn't know what an explosion is.

Depends on your frame of reference: If you insist on being geocentric, then the Sun is a correct answer too. If you don't insist, then both the Earth and the Moon both rotate about their common center of mass, and about the Sun, and about the center of the Galaxy, and... Sad to hear such pedantic contrivances from a physics professor. Let us remember that Galileo was almost burned at the stake over the Church's insistence on a geocentric model. His heliocentric model was certainly the more correct/accurate/simple/predictive and geocentrism has since been thoroughly discredited (if it wasn't upon his publication). Yes the Earth & Moon rotate about their center of mass, which lies deep inside the Earth. This is why it rotates about the Earth and why it remains classified as our moon, as opposed to say Charon which is now classified as a dwarf planet. You might as well claim a car rotates about each wheel as it drives down the road.

Highlighting the benefits of a good education. http://www.break.com/index/56-percent-of-french-people-are-stupid.html

Yup.

Let's roll!

They're the only ones with the will and might to do it. No one else has the means to step forward and do it. Ah, but many spoiled Americans don't even possess the will to help others any more. The world prefers to sit back in their easy chairs in front of the TV, and let millions of people be slaughtered. As long as it's not them, everything is okay! So what's good on TV tonight? That's a contemptible thing to say. Other nations won't even pay their share of such activities and condemn the USA whenever it intervenes no matter what. EVERY time you get involved there's usually some enemy on the other side you're stopping. You also get idiotic situations like helping Albanian Muslims annex a piece of Serbia and the consequences as the 4th estate drives us all to institutional stupidity. Despite actually intervening in some places you STILL get people bitching. It's a thankless task where even humanitarian intervention can fuels paranoid local hatred and despite real efforts people like YOU still condemn those who foot the bill with lives and treasure as solipsistic couch potatoes. Obama is saying it's not OK to trade US lives for foreign ones even if the ratio looks good, and that the USA has no obligation to do this around the world. It's a simple message, it's not an invalid point. People have a right to agree or disagree. Saying the US is the only country who can intervene anywhere is also rank bullshit. We certainly shouldn't do this to silence critics of US inaction, if they want to be boy scouts let them join the boy scouts. Action should align with geopolitical interests as well as humanitarian ones.

This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mK_9ZGAi7c THAT is fucking badass!! Read the writeup. On one flight they managed to land and take off with no rollback and plenty of room to spare, no arrestor hook and no catapult, and I think that may be the flight on that video, if not it's close. Tha Navy still didn't go for it.

This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mK_9ZGAi7c ....and a writeup: http://www.theaviationzone.com/factsheets/c130_forrestal.asp