AlexCrowley

you have some strange ideas about free will. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

probably not TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

excellent. excellent. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

only if you dont mind a camera crew following you. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

No, she's learnt that the only way to get my attention is to purposely mangle the language or I start ranting about dogs and perspective issues. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

yeah...can't really empathize on the last bit. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

yes, yes she did. She's an english major too. It's indicative of the sad state of the US schooling system I think. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

please note, this is not an underwear thread. My wife just accused me of this - not that I can really argue with it. Who's with me? TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

I think this is an important step forward for Texas and I fully support their progressive thinking on this matter. Texas should be looked at as a shining example to the rest of the country, and the world. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

maybe someone could check out the authenticity of this: Irish Times, August 11, 1998 Dublin, Ireland When Marriage Between Gays Was a Rite As the churches struggle with the issue of homosexuality, a long tradition of gay marriage indicates that the Christian attitude towards same sex unions may not always have been as "straight" as is now suggested, writes Jim Duffy. Opinion: Rite and Reason by Jim Duffy A Kiev art museum contains a curious icon from St. Catherine's monastery on Mt. Sinai. It shows two robed Christian saints. Between them is a traditional Roman pronubus (best man) overseeing what in a standard Roman icon would be the wedding of a husband and wife. In the icon, Christ is the pronubus. Only one thing is unusual. The "husband and wife" are in fact two men. Is the icon suggesting that a homosexual "marriage" is one sanctified by Christ? The very idea seems initially shocking. The full answer comes from other sources about the two men featured, St. Serge and St. Bacchus, two Roman soldiers who became Christian martyrs. While the pairing of saints, particularly in the early church, was not unusual, the association of these two men was regarded as particularly close. Severus of Antioch in the sixth century explained that "we should not separate in speech [Serge and Bacchus] who were joined in life". More bluntly, in the definitive 10th century Greek account of their lives, St. Serge is openly described as the "sweet companion and lover" of St. Bacchus. In other words, it confirms what the earlier icon implies, that they were a homosexual couple. Their orientation and relationship was openly accepted by early Christian writers. Furthermore, in an image that to some modern Christian eyes might border on blasphemy, the icon has Christ himself as their pronubus, their best man overseeing their "marriage". The very idea of a Christian homosexual marriage seems incredible. Yet after a twelve year search of Catholic and Orthodox church archives Yale history professor John Boswell has discovered that a type of Christian homosexual "marriage" did exist as late as the 18th century. Contrary to myth, Christianity's concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ, but has evolved as a concept and as a ritual. Professor Boswell discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient church liturgical documents (and clearly separate from other types of non-marital blessings of adopted children or land) were ceremonies called, among other titles, the "Office of Same Sex Union" (10th and 11th century Greek) or the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century). These ceremonies had all the contemporary symbols of a marriage: a community gathered in a church, a blessing of the couple before the altar, their right hands joined as at heterosexual marriages, the participation of a priest, the taking of the Eucharist, a wedding banquet afterwards. All of which are shown in contemporary drawings of the same sex union of Byzantine Emperor Basil I (867-886) and his companion John. Such homosexual unions also took place in Ireland in the late 12th / early 13th century, as the chronicler Gerald of Wales (Geraldus Cambrensis) has recorded. Unions in Pre-Modern Europe lists in detail some same sex union ceremonies found in ancient church liturgical documents. One Greek 13th century "Order for Solemnisation of Same Sex Union", having invoked St. Serge and St. Bacchus, called on God to "vouchsafe unto these Thy servants [N and N] grace to love another and to abide unhated and not cause of scandal all the days of their lives, with the help of the Holy Mother of God and all Thy saints". The ceremony concludes: "And they shall kiss the Holy Gospel and each other, and it shall be concluded". Another 14th century Serbian Slavonic "Office of the Same Sex Union", uniting two men or two women, had the couple having their right hands laid on the Gospel while having a cross placed in their left hands. Having kissed the Gospel, the couple were then required to kiss each other, after which the priest, having raised up the Eucharist, would give them both communion. Boswell found records of same sex unions in such diverse archives as those in the Vatican, in St. Petersburg, in Paris, Istanbul, and in Sinai, covering a period from the 8th to 18th centuries. Nor is he the first to make such a discovery. The Dominican Jacques Goar (1601-1653) includes such ceremonies in a printed collection of Greek prayer books. While homosexuality was technically illegal from late Roman times, it was only from about the 14th century that antihomosexual feelings swept western Europe. Yet same sex unions continued to take place. At St. John Lateran in Rome (traditionally the Pope's parish church) in 1578 a many as 13 couples were "married" at Mass with the apparent cooperation of the local clergy, "taking communion together, using the same nuptial Scripture, after which they slept and ate together", according to a contemporary report. Another woman to woman union is recorded in Dalmatia in the 18th century. Many questionable historical claims about the church have been made by some recent writers in this newspaper. Boswell's academic study however is so well researched and sourced as to pose fundamental questions for both modern church leaders and heterosexual Christians about their attitudes towards homosexuality. For the Church to ignore the evidence in its own archives would be a cowardly cop-out. The evidence shows convincingly that what the modern church claims has been its constant unchanging attitude towards homosexuality is in fact nothing of the sort. It proves that for much of the last two millennia, in parish churches and cathedrals throughout Christendom from Ireland to Istanbul and in the heart of Rome itself, homosexual relationships were accepted as valid expressions of a God-given ability to love and commit to another person, a love that could be celebrated, honoured and blessed both in the name of, and through the Eucharist in the presence of Jesus Christ. Jim Duffy is a writer and historian. The Marriage of Likeness: Same Sex Unions in Pre-Modern Europe by John Boswell is published by Harper Collins. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

gay abusive codependent dysfunctional couple. Ernie's the abusive top. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

thought you were kidding! I thought it was a joke, I even wrote it down in my diary. ln311 had a very funny joke today.? I laughed at it later that night! TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

Get out! Just go! We are through! Through! Because of your actions, you scorpion woman! TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

Oh. My bad. Thanks for the clarification. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

for some reason I just read this thread as hobosexual. That would be interesting. I wonder if the bible says anything about sexing homeless people. Jesus would probably approve. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

gimme a p gimme a s gimme a y gimme a ch gimme an osis? whats that spell? osischysp! TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

it's not my place to correct you. Only God can do that. or something. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

we could bash religion, race or sexuality if you'd prefer. where did you get a hand grenade? TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

hmmm Would they really be dykes if they were craving penis? TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

I think he thinks you love the cock. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

only because you cannot SEE the TRUTH and KNOW what God was ACTUALLY talking ABOUT. or something TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

but the bible is the inerrant word of God. Homosexuality is wrong. stoning is the required punishment for fortune tellers. Or are you using a very different KJV than the rest of the world (which would actually explain a great deal). 12 Monkeys is one of my favorite movies. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

i'm sorry, i need to correct you here: that would be MILITANT homosexual agenda. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

No Bill. You are Wrong. Unless God is now tossing the odd rock around when no ones looking. "A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning" Not to turn this into another literalist thread, but you have stated your belief in the inerrant word of God being the KJV, beyond the majority of your christian peers. You have stated time and time again that the English tranlsation is absolutely perfect in all ways and is totally plain. Please point out the metaphor in 'put to death by stoning' which I am so obviously missing.?? TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

are you being racist? TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.