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Mr. Science, How did the Cooper money get to Tena Bar. I await your simple, honest answer. I'll sleep better once I have it. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Farflung wrote I've probably sailed under the GG Bridge a few thousand times. My Dad's boat was berthed at Fisherman's Wharf. The tidal currents at that location can be quite fast. If someone jumps on an outgoing tide they could be a few miles out to sea in an hour. http://geosci.sfsu.edu/courses/geol103/labs/estuaries/partIIIA.html I think many bridge jumper bodies arent recovered because they are swept out to sea where the chances of them being observed diminish rapidly unless they wash up on beach. Jumper bodies have been recovered along the coast many miles from the GG Bridge. Old fishermen told me that they occasionally saw bodies at sea and just left them alone. They told me I should do the same unless the body had fisherman's clothing on it. "We take care of our own, but don't bother if it isnt a fisherman. It's just a big hassle if you bring in a body" I was told. I saw one body, barely bouyant, in thick fog coming out of the anchorage at Drakes Bay next to Pt. Reyes. I throttled down and turned right around but never could spot it again. It was very spooky, a stiff hand was all that protruded above the water. I'll bet it was a bridge jumper. Fisherman who fall overboard and drown off the SF coast are rarely recovered. It isnt White Sharks that rip them up and prevent them from floating. The White Shark population is really small. Blue Sharks abound, huge population (they are everywhere) and they get up to 12 feet in length. I've seen Blues ripping up floating animal carcasess and I assume they do the same if the food is submerged. The Dungeness crabs will strip a sunk carcass very fast and that will prevent floatation. I wonder if there is any data on no pulls who went into a body of water. Did they become floaters? What about all the jumpers who drowned in that ill fated jump over Lake Eire? 18 landed under open canopies, but 16 drowned. Shockingly, many drowned close to pleasure boats who had no idea that they were in distress. Were all 16 bodies recovered? http://www.metafilter.com/64215/Worst-Civilian-Skydiving-Accident I'll bet an old Coastie (USCG) who was stationed at Ft Point (SF) or Ft Baker (Sausalito) could tell you a lot about what happens to GG bridge jumper bodies. We used to refer them as the Body Snatchers. Amazingly, some land alive and a few without any serious injuries. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42643713/ns/us_news-life/t/girl-survives-leap-golden-gate-bridge/ 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I am told that the Tianic safe opening show was "inspired" by Geralso Rivera but that he did not appear in the production. Its called "docutainment." Marla may get a second chance. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Can a lawyer really cool BKs jets? Powerful stuff. Speaking of lawyers, I am surprised Geraldo Rivera (who actually is an attorney) hasnt entered the DBC world. He has made TV specials on a safe from the Titanic, a sealed room from the Al Capone era, and the list goes on. He could make a whole show out of the Amboy chute or a board spanning some rafters in Kenny's attic. Facts never get in his way. That allegedly unopened safe that he had (displayed in a shark tank no less) was shown in a salvage photo taken before the TV event with a rusted out hole in the back surface. He could actually stir up some interest by pursuing TK's tie-tanium clues. No such thing as bad publicity for the Cooper case. All publicity is good. The memory needs to be kept alive. Someday, somewhere, somebody will remember something or find something that could solve the case, but without knowledge of the case it might mean nothing to them. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Geroger wrote I wouldn't be afraid to tell a judge that I hope DB Cooper survived. I'll bet some of them have the same feelings, but they are not as free to say so. I have personally heard two former FBI agents say they hoped he made it. Yes, I do see this as a hobby and a game for uninvolved spectators. Do you have a problem with that? The degree of involvement in the DBC mystery is optional. You can go deep or shallow. Which path have you chosen? Do you hope Cooper died Georger? Why? If you were in the left seat of 305 would you have detoured over the Pacific and let DBC become crab food? I wouldnt have. Don't lump me in with Blevins. We are different people with different approaches to the DBC mystery. Just because I dont hate him like you do doesnt make me his twin. You get so worked up over minor things Georger. Nothing on this forum is worth elevating your blood pressure over. Nothing. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

So, unlike money and a placard, a body outgasses. The decay byproducts can be detected at a distance. A body on land should have been found, but it wasn't... or at least it wasnt reported. No body, no canopy, no harness or container. Bodies from aviation accidents usually get found, eventually e.g. the Russian guy vwho cratered off DZ at Perris, Steve Fosset, the missing jumper at Byron CA. Maybe DBC made it out alive. I sure hope he did. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I remember my first visit to some relatives who had a dairy. The whole place was wet with urine and feces during the wet season.. and was an unforgettable affront to every last one of my olfactory receptors. The entire place reeked and I could not escape from that horrid agrarian experience for 4 days. A dairy farm smells like a perfume shop compared to a pig farm. I've spent some time around both kinds of farms in KY. The pig farm was really well run and clean. The owners family had an immaculate house right on the farm. The stench was overwhelming on a hot day yet they lived right in the midst of it. They told me that after a while "you just get used to it". Kinda like the ability of some to dwell comfortably in this forum. Farflung, though, has not acclimated. He still holds his nose. A buddy who flew C 141 transports in and out of Viet Nam told me that the worst smells are leaking body bags. The Army got some with defective gas tight zippers. It was so bad that the cockpit crew had to go on oxygen. If Cooper cratered on land would the decay stench be detectable over any significant distance? I would guess that trained dogs are pretty good at finding decaying bodies. It just bugs me that the small DBC stuff was found (money and placard) and there isnt even a trace of the big stuff. Anyone know what happened to Jerry Thomas? He used to such a regular here. Any news on Sluggo? My emails have not been answered which worries me. My friends in commercial fishing are worried about Cesium levels in Albacore tuna caught off the US West Coast. Low doses so far, but bad effect on market appeal. The contamination comes from the leaking Japanese reactors at Fukushima. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, I never said any of that. You have mixed up your sources. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Lets assume Cooper died in the jump. Lets even assume the improbable water landing. Amazon, you 've lived on the river. You've seen it in action and get a feel for how the system handles debris. Speculate about Cooper splashing as a no pull or even under an open canopy. The body will decompose, but the rig won't. Where do you think it wold end up? Buried in bottom sediment? Washed downstream? Dredged up and buried in spoils? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Farf wrote (about the effects of Blevins alleged plagarism) You just pinned the perversity meter Farflung. Flat out pegged it and bent the needle. It no longer has enough dynamic range to handle your input. I'll have to adjust the input voltage divider or preamp gain. Another good poster though, and I am sure no copyrighted images were used in its production. Besides there is always the fair use defense if you erred. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

G writes Georger, I know you can be more civil than that. Don't get yourself another ban. What is the unit of venom attraction force? EMU, Gauss, Gilberts, Maxwells, etc somehow do not seem appropriate. The flux density is high, thats for sure. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

A GREAT DC 3. Made many jumps from her. Sure glad to see she is still flying. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Farf wrote Maybe I see everything like a court hearing, ya gotta find something good to say about every person facing sentencing. Sometimes you have to dig really deep. "Your honor, I ask the court to take notice of the fact that my client had no unsatisfactory behavior in nursery school and I have witnesses prepared to substantiate that claim should the court desire to inquire further." But I've met Blevins and you havent. Same deal with TK. I really wish you had come to the Portland symposium Farf. I have this fantasy that the venom would have moderated and abated. Yes, I've been smoking hopium, getting ready for the election results. It immerses everything in a cloud of niceness. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

They call hills KNOBS out in KY. To me, knobs are used to tune radios. Farf has a more perverse definition. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Robt99 wrote about Jo I am very well aquainted with the area of KY that Jo grew up in. Plenty of hills, hills all over the place, but you can, if you plan carefully, get from one town to another without driving on any really steep roads. Don't know why anyone would want to do this, but it's possible. The shorter connecting roads often cut through the steeper hills but there are roads on the bottom lands or gentle foothills that connect most of those places like Loretto, Bardstown, Elizabethtown, Lebanon etc. Driving on hills for the first time can be terrifying for flatland drivers, especially back in the days of clutches and manual transmissions. I watched a lot of smoking clutches on tourist's cars in SF when I was a kid. The 17th St hill up from Market St was a real trap for them. On a map it looked like an easy route from downtown to Golden Gate Park. Jo has at least on one occasion said that the bag Duane dropped into the Columbia contained money, but I think it was a slip combined with backplotting and hope. If Duane wanted to get rid of hot/rotted unusable DBC twenties burning them would make a LOT more sense than transporting them hundreds of miles to dump them in a river. A defendant in CA was trying to bury some money and an astute forest ranger spotted the operation. There is great risk in transporting hot currency and trying to dispose of it or conceal it in public places. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Farf wrote Good one Farf, you always nail hypocrisy... and I admit I have my share, but please... Belvins' antics are not what I turn to for 'pervese amusement'. I prefer to see myself as a more sophisticated consumer of perversity. Unlike you, I don't see latent or allegorical perversity in Blev's oft told story about a woman, some Clydesdales and a bunch of leather straps and buckles. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Farf wrote about Blevins I dont think antibiotics or even venom is effective against viruses. Perhaps a retrovirus is what you are looking for, but they come with their own set of very scary problems. Viruses can be killed by burning, but then the host is toast. Even burning at the stake wont kill prions. Quarantine is probably the best answer Farf. I feel I must be missing some critical thinking section in my brain. I just dont see Blevins the way everyone else does. Sure he is repetitive and mercurial at times (off again on again about symposiums and his future presence on the forum), but he says Kenny=DBC isnt certain and he gives away his book FREE. I met him at the Ariel Tavern and he seemed like a decent guy, does a lot of work to help kids get interested in reading etc. Tom Kaye turned out to be a good guy too, even if you disagree with some of his conclusions. He may not have a science degree but he is sharp and logical. I found in talking with him that a lot gets taken out of context, e.g. his comments about a ship dragging DBC money upstream. He doesnt think that actually happened, he was just asked for any explanation of how money could ever go upstream. BTW, what about the titanium Tom found on the tie, has that very interesting subject just died? Anyone who can keep an ancient scanning electron microscope running without factory support gets points from me. Tom does that. His friend Al owns and maintains one too. It isnt easy and involves, among other things, component level troubleshooting on circuit boards. Carol's presentation on Dan Cooper comics was so well done, I just wish I had a video. I wish Geoff would convene another symposium, but I guess we need some new DBC news or we will mostly be rehashing old stuff. Polyanna signing off. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jollercoaster observed Damn. How could I have been so naive and gullible? I'll teach them to exploit me. I'm wearing them inside out from this day forward. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Does anyone have specifics on Jerry's Washougal washdown experiment? Who found his item at Tena Bar. What was it. Where was it released? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger wrote You are a cattle guy G so I wont dispute your expertise but cows have a way of ignoring travel restrictions. I was driving on Highway 1 (coast route) north of the Russian River in CA. I am a conservative driver and try to drive slow on curvy roads where a bicylist or someone making a wide turn might be in my lane just around the bend. I came around one turn and slammed on my brakes HARD. I got to see how well my ABS worked. A big herd of cows was occupying both lanes. I said MOVE. They said MOOOOO. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

True. Cant argue with that, but even the illusion of free feels good to customers. I am a Cypres fan, see gear reviews. Their customer support is very good. I think free loaners could actually save a life or two. Many jump w/o an AAD while their Cypres is in for service. Some of them would get a loaner if it were free. I've never owned a new car and never will. I also know that certain expensive Audi parts appear to be the same as cheaper VW parts, eg vacuum pump. When I do my own repairs I hit all the user groups and get the scoop on interchangeability. I once found an American in tank fuel pre pump for $39 that was a perfect plug and play substitute for a Bosch one that cost 5x. Some things are free, really free. Like mfr give away T-shirts at boogies. I came back from WFFC with a ton. On the last day they were giving out 5 or 6 at a time so they wouldnt have to pack them up. How many of you have jumped the SSE original Sentinel AAD? Crude dirt simple device. It was a mechanical altimeter with a switch closed by the needle as you descended below a preset altitude. Switch closure fired a pin puller. You had to shut it off once your main opened above the reserve fire altitude. If you forgot, then two canopies out. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

it is fun! Matt There were a few tandems on the WFFC DC 9 loads. No big deal. The exit speed did cause some tumbling but it gets sorted out pretty quickly. Jumping a jet is a blast. I wish the Conatsers (Perris DZ owners) could get their DC 9 back on line. A ridiculous FAA rule has it grounded. One engine which is in its infancy operating hour wise had timed out calendar wise. Overhaul of a JT8D engine is a hefty six figure proposition. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Likestojump wrote Yep. Steven Creek Audi, San Jose CA. They loaned me a 2012 Audi A8 with 20K miles on it FREE while my Audi was in for maint. Needless to say I was in no rush to get my 6 year old second hand car back. The A8 was insane. It has radar cruise control that can follow traffic and even do stop and go. Also has a wheel shaker that warns you if you drift out of your lane. Many more amazing features. I think SSK Cypres should have free loaners. Just get a huge deposit fully refundable when returned. Customer should pay shipping both ways. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Another great poster Farf. You have a knack for using graphics to explain concepts. It's been a while since you've had any hot nuns gracing your artwork. Have you gotten religious or married or has some similar moral cleansing or censorship occurred? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Farflung wrote: I think Unicorns. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.