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well in my state if someone is in your house and you feel that they present a danger to you then you have a right to protect yourself. So i guesse it is kind of weighted.... casue sopmeone could shoot them and say they thought they were after them... and yeah they would get suid and all that, but they would not be prosicuted. That said. If someone was robbing me, i would confront. Probly with my gun in hand but out of sight. If the situation came up where he was a threat to me... hes got 2 in his chest and 1 in his head. but if he was just after my stereo.... probly not withough confronting him first. Liek i said with that situation i had before... i confronted him, did not shot. but if he is a threat, they are gone. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

you bet i owuld shoot to kill if someone was after me or my family. That said, one time at about 3 in the morning my alarm went off. There had been a sting of roberies in my neighbor hood, not to mention there was a serial killer still on the loose. well i jumped out of bed and grabed my pistol and went looking though my house. when i saw someone i called them... you know... hand up, all that crap. When i turned on the light, it was my brother... really drunk and came to the hosue instead of his apartment. Scared me cause if i had not though i could have killed him. So saying that, i saw this... be careful. Think before you shoot casue y ou can not take that bullet back once it has been fired. And i dont shoot to wound, i have been tained to shoot to kill. Be careful, i learned my lesson in a very scary way that made me think twice about even having a gun in my house. IDENTIFY YOUR TARGETS!!! Blue SKys -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

i totaly agree it is a job that requires him to make tough calls, but at the same time i dont want one that is going to make decissions on national security without thinking it though. I imagine he was thaking that time with those kids and his mind was racing, and he probly was making those decission at that time. It was 5 minutes.... if it was 10 seconds you would probly still be saying he didnt act fast enough. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

bill i got to ask you about this football... yah i know i posted on it already but with what you just said it sounds like we should have launched nukes at them. it was 5 minutes. 5 minuts that he sat there and didnt overreact and freak out the kids, 5 minutes that he didnt act out of fear, or anger, 5 minutes that he took and thought. In the service i have been trained to make battle field decission in less than 30 seconds... the most critical part of the battle. But he is a commander and cheif and he requires more time. What do you think Kerry would have done, or gore for that matter. Probaly the same thing. i can garentee you it doesnt take bush to order 2 f15's up in the air. That is why we have JOC, the Pentagon, and countless generals, to make those battle field decissions. Yeah if those plane would have gotten to that last plane you can bet that it would have required bush to order them to engage that target, why? cause they would be shooting down american citizens. In those 5 minutes i imagine he could not have done much of anything besides get on the horn with the pentagoin who would have told him they were taking actions to prevent any further strikes. I also imagine that during those 5 minutes his advisors with him were crafting a statment to the country, which he gave some 10 minutes or so after gettig the first word. Bill i know you hate bush, but come on. it was 5 minutes. What wuold you have done? -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

well if you want to be technical with it, he doesnt have the football. An airforce officer has control of the football at all times. At no time is it in the control of the preseident itself. Even when he orders a strike.... god forbid... he doesnt turn the key. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

what is UPT.... i need army terms -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

i disagree kev. The bottom line wsa that he was in a room full of kids who would not have understood if he got up and left. And i imagine if he had taken that course of action the liberrals of this country would probly say he should have stayed with the kids. Why? Cause no matter what he does, they will disagee. Next i imagine the SS did have an escape plan. I have a good friend who served under clinton and he tld me that when they go to anyplace they are there at lesat 48 hours before mappig out every senerio to protect the president. I imagine they knew how they were goign to get him out, if they felt he was at an imediate threat. to say there wasnt a provate room or what ever in my opinion is grasping. Neither you or I know the layout of that building, and we sure as hell dont know how the SS works. Lastly, what would you like to see him have done? Leave the room and go to defcom 4 and launch nukes at every ahrib nation? He had to have time to think, and time to react. You know we had Special Forces troops inside of afganastn within hours of the attack? He was taking dirrect action, but you can not expect him to get upset, or be hurried out by the SS when he is front of 30-40 kids in a small room. Give the man so credit, He has lead the fight against terrorism when noone else has been willing to do it. I admre him for his stregnth in the face of adversity. He took a stand and said he wasnt backing down. And he has not yet. HAs he done everything right? no way, is he perfect? no way, but he is standing for what he believes. And i salute Pres. Bush for that. Blue SKys -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

ron i think your preatty much right on the money here. Think about this: if he would have reacted in a mannor of getting up and running out and getting all worked up, what do you think those kids whould have thought/done. Not to mention when he first got that message they didnt know if it was a freak acident or if it was an attack. After the second plane it came very clear. im not goingto get in a shouting debat, so everyone please keep a sence of humor. blue skys -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

lol i hope i can do more than this, but i plan to use them extensively. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

yeah man i know your just messing no big deal im just messing back. I only hope i can treat them they way i have been treated by my officers now. It kind of scares me a bit, but yeah leadership can be hard, and i can only imagine how much harder it is going to be. That is why i train hard now, and try to learn as much as i can now. Hopefulky one day i can use what i learn now to keep my troops alive. blue skys -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

Uuuhhh........they don't have to. They could punch you in the mouth and stick your head in a toilet. So..don't be a dumbass. what is the penality for that one.... knocking out an officer.... hmmmmmm. I actualy got that advise from a frined of mine who just got comissioned served a year in iraq with the 101 and just got back. He told me he couldnot have done it without his platoon sergant. well we shall see what happens when i get comissioned in 2006. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

i learned somehitng really fast the first time i went to my unit.... i know nothing!!!! I keep my mouth shut, listen to the E-7's and try not to screw up, buyt at the same time when i get the bar only one thing changes..... i will still listen to the E7, the only that changes is that they have to salute me. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

oh see im army so i can not keep up with you fly boys...... We dont get crossed trained untill we are in for 6 years. Then we get a second MOS. This is for officers.... im still a cadet working as a SMP with mech infantry so.... i know nothing... lol -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

your mosQ on all those??? if so thats preatty impressive how long have you been in? -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

liek it was said befoer depends on what your flying. New Orleans is ok... i didnt like it. So i moved to Baton Rouge, about 50 minutes. Easy drive for one weekend a month... unless your fulltime guard. neer been to hawaii but louisiana is ok. No real complaints except the humity in the summer... -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

im going this summer in june. 3 weeks to learn how to PLF.... should be fun. Yeah i am a cadet too..... sorry guys..... -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

I totaly agree. I have lost friends fighting teriost groups, and am currently waiting to find out if my unit is going to be doing the same. Terrorist are extemists. I have lots of ismalic friends and they love this country, it is a small percentage of poeple who will actually strap a bomb to themselves and run out and blow them selves up. So i dont blame islamic people, i blame the terrorists. Just an annalogy i heard one in a poli science class: terrorist are to musslams, as the KKK is to christiaanity. Now im a christian, and i dont wear sheets. blue skys -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

i can not count how many times i have been hooked up to that freak plasma thing... hey its 50 bucks! welcoe to the sport from another newbie.... 15 jumps here -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

oh lord......... -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

at least yall have a skydiving club!! i havnt seen one here at LSU yet, if anyone knows of one please inform me, otherwise i am starting one in the fall!! -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

im probly an idiot for saying this, but if a girl shows me her tits i will probly just walk away from her, Why? caseu anyone who will sink that low just to get a guy needs to get more confidnce in themselves before they can be with me. i dont want just anyone, i want the right one. I know i am probly to younge to have this attatude, but i dont just want to go out and party with some chick sleep with her and have nothing really there between us besides sex. Just my phlisophy of relationships. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

hell yeah! but im army so.... Airborne all the way -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

the file wouldnt play on my computer..... im probaly doing somehtihng wrong.... ill get roommate to fix it! -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.

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i had a great instrustor that put me on all kinds of planes, and different exits to get me to be unstable and all that jazz. BUt i had the advantage of doing some of my jumps during a boogie and juming from all kinds of planes. Never really had a problem, just alot of fun. Skymonkey i think you now who i am talking about.... you trained him to be an AFF instructor if i am not mistaken. -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage.