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The deadbeats who got us into this mess are the Wall Street Wizards who figured out how to leverage debt to the Nth degree, so that eventually the house of cards they built came tumbling down. You make a very valid point however, the house of cards built by leveraging credit would not have collapsed if people had not purchased homes and used credit in manner they had no business doing. How much are you willing to bet that a good number of the people whose homes are being foreclosed have the ability to pay their mortgages if only they would be willing to make some sacrifices when it comes to their standard of living? You must be thinking of the 2+ million people who have lost their jobs and their health insurance since November. Yup, I bet they'd rather lose their homes than their TV sets. Must be nice to be a government employee like you. I have no issue with giving a helping hand to hard working people who have lost their jobs because of the recession, don't twist my words. The tax cuts and extra cash going to fund the damn welfare programs should be geared more towards those who are unemployed due to no fault of their own, the working class, and the businesses struggling to keep them in their jobs. However, people who had no business buying a house and are going into foreclosure because they don't want to sell the new Lincoln Navigator and replace it with a beater so they can eek otu a few more months of payments don't deserve shit. Do you have any real data to back up your rant claim that these people caused the economic mess?

Flat for several years... yeah, except for that whole pesky rise to 14k, that is. Funny how that works. Yes, they call it a speculative bubble, I believe.

Hows that for a source????? What was the source of that OPINION? It quoted Nature but you gave no source for your quote. Do you actually know what a real source is (as opposed to your opinion pieces)? And the alarmists call anybody that questions them deniers. Follow it up. you obviously will not believe anything unless you come up with your own info. If you read the attachments there are many clues as to where to start. But just keep discrditing any and all opposing sources. I will serve you well. Me? I will keeping looking and learning...... Oh, and the links I provided contain all I posted. So you're posting the same thing over and over again?

"If you links are from wikopedia you can keep them.", rushmc, Sept 17, 2007

Hows that for a source????? What was the source of that OPINION? It quoted Nature but you gave no source for your quote. Do you actually know what a real source is (as opposed to your opinion pieces)?

A source whose home page states "Tired of alarmist global warming propaganda?" and on another page states " the CO2-induced global warming/rising sea level bandwagon" and in yet another report claims that increased CO2 is beneficial to humans, is hardly impartial. Not to mention that the rising sea level and loss of ice predictions are, well, at least wrong at this time if not out and out lies....... How about Polar bear populations. Did those lies get called out or get anybody to say, sorry, I was wrong You would have more credibility if you used sources that were unbiased. As it is, the sources you quote are very highly biased.

A source whose home page states "Tired of alarmist global warming propaganda?" and on another page states " the CO2-induced global warming/rising sea level bandwagon" and in yet another report claims that increased CO2 is beneficial to humans, is hardly impartial.

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SIR Frank, I believe. However, UK inventions have no bearing on the state of US engineering. edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/01/03/mars.rovers.five.years/?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail

Do you have an issue with the F22, F35, B2, M1A2 tank, GPS satellites, cell phone technology, the internet, and other US engineered products? Don't confuse US engineering with US engineering management which has made some really bad decisions.

What is your point? 5/week x 52 weeks/yr = 260/year in England. The US has about 6x the population of England, so the knifing murder rate in England is lower than in the US by around 30%. For comparison, the gun murder rate in England is lower than in the US by 97%. My point was in sentence #1. I don't know what the heck country comparisons have to do with anything. OK, why did you bring up England then? I think you've answered that for us. Knives, gasoline and swimming pools combined are small potatoes in the criminal enterprise when compared with guns. Better yet, just do a little looking aroung the intenet and come back and tell us, buy country if you like, what material object causes (or is involved in) the most deaths. Please, do that for us will ya? If you have a point to make, make it. This thread is about a criminal act. Please try to stick to the topic. What object causes most deaths at the hands of criminals?

What is your point? 5/week x 52 weeks/yr = 260/year in England. The US has about 6x the population of England, so the knifing murder rate in England is lower than in the US by around 30%. For comparison, the gun murder rate in England is lower than in the US by 97%. My point was in sentence #1. I don't know what the heck country comparisons have to do with anything. OK, why did you bring up England then? I think you've answered that for us. Knives, gasoline and swimming pools combined are small potatoes in the criminal enterprise when compared with guns.

It's dumb to focus only on ONE item used to commit murder. We should focus on ANY item used to commit murder. Take knives, for example; in the US, 14% of murders, or about 2,240 people, are murdered every year with knives. In England, they now have five people a week being murdered with knives. . What is your point? 5/week x 52 weeks/yr = 260/year in England. The US has about 6x the population of England, so the knifing murder rate in England is lower than in the US by around 30%. For comparison, the gun murder rate in England is lower than in the US by 97%.

Who is doing that, do you think? Jimmy Saville.

Long and nasty: Korea and Vietnam. The demos got us there and immediately screamed uncle after so many died (50,000 alone in Vietnam). They don't care to remember that; just Watergate. Wasn't it Richard M. Nixon (R) who had the secret plan to get us out of Vietnam?

Yes, And everyone who was on Roger Nelson's 246 way world record is a drug smuggler.

Undoubtedly Reagan. He popularized the absurd idea that we could live beyond our means forever and that greed is good. That, as sure as night follows day, led to the current mess we are in.

The fact that he hasn't got a damned thing backing up his idiotic "Change!" zombie-mantra is not a "false smear." And I'm not a "GOP supporter," just someone who hates what the Democrats are trying to do to our once-great nation. How about the dozen or so that are very clearly false? False to the extent that it surprises me that anyone with an IQ above 80 would ever have believed them. Name say, 6 of them please. It's a very funny request to give names to smears, but ok, here goes: I name them Marc Vinnie Bill Jeffrey Alberto Dubya

The fact that he hasn't got a damned thing backing up his idiotic "Change!" zombie-mantra is not a "false smear." And I'm not a "GOP supporter," just someone who hates what the Democrats are trying to do to our once-great nation. How about the dozen or so that are very clearly false? False to the extent that it surprises me that anyone with an IQ above 80 would ever have believed them.

You really are a nice piece of work.

Well, since doing the right thing obviously doesn't matter, maybe your own self-interest does. You wouldn't owe YOUR share of the cost of a $TRILLION war. How does that relate to our standing in the world John? Try to stay focused on the topic please. Knew I'd have fun with this. You don't think invading and occupying a sovereign nation under false premises affects the USA's standing among the other nations of the world? Your opinion...duly noted. You don't think killing tens of thousands of civilians in that nation affects the USA's standing in the world? Last time I checked it wasn't the US detonating bombs in markets. You don't think holding citizens of that nation without trial, and torturing some of them, affects the USA's standing in the world? Citizens? Enemy combatants. You don't think imposing a subservient puppet government on that nation affects the USA's standing in the world? Subservient government? As opposed to a brutal dictatorship? You're views on the 4 points you made are well documented. As are mine. I'm not saying that our standing hasn't diminished. I'm saying I really don't care about our "standing" in the world. It makes no difference to me. If you're not saying our standing hasn't diminished on account of the war, are you admitting that it has diminished? Aren't you affected by the incredible waste of resources involved in the war?

WTF? Bush said this on 21st November, several weeks into Pakistan's martial law. What is Bush smoking?

Media ARE plural, not singular. One of them is a medium.

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From Business Week last month: France also demonstrates that you can deliver stellar results with this mix of public and private financing. In a recent World Health Organization health-care ranking, France came in first, while the U.S. scored 37th, slightly better than Cuba and one notch above Slovenia. France's infant death rate is 3.9 per 1,000 live births, compared with 7 in the U.S., and average life expectancy is 79.4 years, two years more than in the U.S. The country has far more hospital beds and doctors per capita than America, and far lower rates of death from diabetes and heart disease. The difference in deaths from respiratory disease, an often preventable form of mortality, is particularly striking: 31.2 per 100,000 people in France, vs. 61.5 per 100,000 in the U.S. That's not to say the French have solved all health-care riddles. Like every other nation, France is wrestling with runaway health-care inflation. That has led to some hefty tax hikes, and France is now considering U.S.-style health-maintenance organization tactics to rein in costs. Still, some 65% of French citizens express satisfaction with their system, compared with 40% of U.S. residents. And France spends just 10.7% of its gross domestic product on health care, while the U.S. lays out 16%, more than any other nation. To grasp how the French system works, think about Medicare for the elderly in the U.S., then expand that to encompass the entire population. French medicine is based on a widely held value that the healthy should pay for care of the sick. Everyone has access to the same basic coverage through national insurance funds, to which every employer and employee contributes. The government picks up the tab for the unemployed who cannot gain coverage through a family member. Americans who think America is always #1 in everything are just kidding themselves.