Calvin19

OK, so i dont know this math talk shite, so lets keep it simple. Impact force, is directly proportional to speed. Impact force is INdirectly proportional to distance fallen, as there is a lot of variables to include. of course, you cant go cliff jumping with the locals and call it a 2.3 second cliff, they would think your weird and not call you back.

I hope it was a sarcastic post, but a DP is the star rig from Apex BASE, the company formaly known as Vertigo BASE.

I know its not about this exactly, but i just want to point out how much it matters about the various height distances. in BASE, we measure delay by TIME......... NOT height. we dont say, I took a 100' delay, or, I pulled 100' in to the fall. we say I took 3 seconds. so, all that matters for cliff jumping is the speed you hit the water, at what body orientation, what muscel tensions, and of course, water depth. impact force is a measure of SPEED, not distance fallen. the difference between 80' and 110' is very little, as the differene between 110' and 150' is very little. a few FPS. just my 2 cents. we learn this doing rope jumping shit. it matters a lot knowing this stuff, and banking on it.

I jump slider up or off, 99% of the time. I take the potential rigging errors into account, but i check it well, (i think) . Another thing about slider down, it might be longshot, but when the slider is down, on my short metal pin toggle risers, i THINK* it was the cause of my lost toggle. I think slider down, and in the path of the toggles COULD* possibly cause a toggle to blow at the messy linestretch phase. but thats just my *

i saw those on the tele. that is sweet though, closeing in on terminal. it can be done. but accuracy is a question then. (weeeeee) but i was talking about box falls. I could build a box target, but a airbag is VERY spendy.

you mean, there is no reply here that was not making fun of you for being 'that guy'

there are some of us, who are still young and still very, very stupid. I have BASE jumped cliffs that i have jumped without a parachute. (however, i strongly recomend, even over water, at 96', use a PCA or static line) I brought my laser to the sites i jump, and bouncing off a kid in the water after he surfaced, off our highest jump, i got 31 an 32 meters. I exaggerated when i was little about the height of cliff jumps. but we proved it with a laser at the rock query, we found out something kinda scary, and kinda cool. over the last 9 years we have been jumping that mine, the water level has risen about 7" a year, with one year having dropped 15". I dont know how accurate that stuff is, but we got it offline at some fishing websight. In durabgo, CO, there is a 10 meter bridge that everyone and their mother goes and jumps. its a good gainer practice platform. the creek is 15' wide at the impact, and about 15' deep. its a cool place, but i have heard of kids dieing there, and seen it on the news. i didnt understand why, but the river is running at a fair pace, and if you impact something thats floating down the river, (i did once) you could get knocked out. luckaly, i just got a bad bleeding bruise on my chin. funny, the highest jump at every multiple exit cliff jump place is 100'. at that same mine, there is a 'white rock jump, that only the seniors have done. its a long hike, and we always look at it to speculate the height, and to marvel at how the seniors hiked over there and jumped it. well, the last year we were out there, I brought my BASE rig. we took a group of local kids we met on the hike, they asked why i had a huge backpack on. they had heard of the white rock being jumped, but never seen it. they say they met the kid who jumped it. it took 30mn to get over there, through brush and mosquitos. we got to the exit, only to find it is 130', and not verticle. not verticle as in you would need a motorbike to hit the water, we had never seen it from the exit, only the other side of the mine. no one had ever jumped the white rock.

well, i regularly cliff jump 85', and if you do the math, its pretty close to the same as 70' or 100'. I always hit feet first. I always wear sandles. I USUALY wear a life vest, as i have seen my freinds get knocked out from messing up an exit. cliff diveing is WAY different than that bullshit diveing boeard ballet that they do in the olympics. thats 10 meters like you said. and pro cliff divers can beat 130' for sure. but the cliff divers are not going for a tripple whatever with a baby splash. I do it casualy, while my highest as of yet is only 96'. all at L.P., and a rock query in MN. he is telling the truth, there is some sweet cliff jumps I have seen done at blue mesa. sketchy ones at that. the greek divers are pros, and go at it differently than us wannabes.

it was done at the royal gorge, canon city, CO. the worlds biggest suspension bridge.

classic fat cop though. wannabe mustache and all.

no, man, lets all thank mac. seriously. way to go Mac!

Don't fool yourself into thinking that the Ace/BJ 310 is bigger than the Troll 305, or smaller than the Dagger 313. Those canopies are all effectively the same size. Pick your canopy for the canopy, then let the square footage number follow along. The only genuinely "bigger than plus size" BASE canopy on the market is the Flik 354, which is legitimately one size larger than the 310ish sized canopies. by one size larger you it is a tandem reserve.

You could try the French technique. Hold your toggles in your hands as you go over, with the brakes not set. The guys who've got this dialed appear to be able to very precisely control the canopy during inflation. I'd recommend practicing this off something a little nicer, first. it works quite well. mid jump in a big way you could change from shallow to deep settings. i hold riser symmetricaly when i did them.

no... i dont think so man. tards are pretty heading - reliable

we discussed this, if there were no pointless penis measuring contests than Tom A and Nick DG would be the only ones useing the forum.

hey, that guy is retarded. i recomend none of you nobodies ever jumps with a kid that stupid and reckless.

Tom's stated reason for teaching these skills seems to be in line with your opinion. - you both think they ought to learn in a controlled environment. so are you agreeing or disagreeing with Tom? ----- understanding and critical thinking enhance a jumper's odds on any particular jump. this forum gives us all a chance to practice both. we all ought to take advantage and develop these skills. it seemed that tom was teaching the newbies to rollover so they can escape a no-show rescue. to me, the more important reason that was not stated was that they will be doing them anyway, and they should do them safely. I replied to whoever i replied to's post. i cant remember at the moment as i am in the reply window, and cant go back without loseing what i just wrote. youll get it. SO... since you obviously care so much about this, i will clarify, cause im bored. TOM A wrote that he will be teaching newbies to do unpacked jumps because they might need them in an emergency to escape a ledge they crash into, also later stated that he will be teaching them correctly, so they dont wrap themselves. (man, darwin was a good guy and we are cheating him by telling people NOT to jump into a parachute below you) (dude i replied to [same story^]) wrote that the newbies will be doing rollovers and tards within a day or two of the FJC, and they will probably be able to figure out a rollover on their own. i took this as disagreeing with tom for teaching them to do it before they knew how to BASE the well known way first. now that i have been through this, i forgot what i was going to write about. huh. well, i think that tom should teach the kids rollovers, and tards. and explain the uses of both. also explain the variations. i think that if a kid messes up a rollover, he/she should not be doing one in the first place.

dont forget double game overs. those are fun as hell.

Tom, it's your course so you've earned the right to teach them what you believe is appropriate, but I'm sorry, newbie jumpers have such little cause to be taught rollovers, tards etc that the risks far outweigh the benefits in my humble opinion. The 'emergency situation' scenario sounds like a rather lame excuse to teach 'cool' techniques through the backdoor. Firstly, the scenario where a jumper could safely self rescue is extremely rare and perhaps this knowledge will encourage jumpers in peril to attempt it when in fact the safest option by far would be to wait for help. We'll never know, but Terry might still be alive today had he not attempted his own rescue, maybe not. Like i said we'll never know but it is a distinct possibilty. Secondly, we both know that this knowledge is highly unlikely to be reserved by the newbies for those sole purposes. Given the techniques and knowledge they'll be doing unpacked jumps before they can even do flat and stable and probably off sites which are far from suitable for them before they've amassed the experience to even assess these sites safely. Unpacked jumps have a time and place in BASE, but that isn't in the classroom for newbies who have yet to jump with even a solid object behind them. Time spent thinking or pondering such jumps would be far better spent on the REAL life saving techniques in BASE. Like I said, you have earned the right to teach whatever you see fit but I genuinely think this policy is going to come back and haunt you. With respect ian while i agree with your disagreement of toms stated reason for teaching unpacked shit, newbies will be doing unpacked stuff no matter what, and probably pretty quick, sp they might as well know how to do it. i think that is a far better reason to teach them than to say (as you so wonderfuly put it, backdoor excuse) of 'emergency situation'

that depends on how much you care about your sterilty/fertility.

a rollover would be nice for that. but still... its longshot.... i understand now.

http://www.rfsafetysolutions.com/rf_personal_monitors.htm googled and found that. i think if you need one, maybe you should not go near the Tx's? if its a 600 meter beauty i would, but a SL? that stuff is just pointless in my opinion.

possibly a dislocated shoulder on an A, or a E, to avoid downclimb. ???

I searched for this, but i could not find anything else on emergency situations that would call for an unpacked jump. I can see how it would be useful on an A. maybe. but thats it. what does this mean?

Yes, he really did. You just don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Seriously though ... hidgaf Yeah!!!! He showed You!!!! wait... what is going on? -SPACE-