peacefuljeffrey

My point is, boo hoo, too fuckin' bad. We don't have to tie one hand behind our backs in the fight to keep ourselves safe from these kinds of psychopaths. If they want to blame someone for the wholesale slaughter of their people that we are entitled to be engaged in at this point, they can blame themselves. I have an idea, terrorist psychopaths: if you don't want us to bomb your cities and towns and kill the innocent along with YOU, the guilty, don't fuckin' behead innocent people in an effort to extort the free world! Blood thirsty? Hardly. I want the killing of my people -- innocent people -- to stop. These sick fucks are going to do it forever until they are killed. They hide. The people in their country MUST know more than they are telling us about how to find them (and the insurgents with their roadside bombs, too. People see them set the bombs, and say nothing to the U.S. forces that are endangered.) We have the right to fight only as dirty as those fighting against us, period. Anything else is self-defeating. The best way to perpetuate the conflict and the killing is to fail to be decisive in the way you go about fighting your half of the war. You do more harm that way than any other. You allow the fighting to be prolonged, just because you think there is something morally wrong with fighting to win. If your enemy on the battlefield gives each of its soldiers an innocent person to use as a human shield, do you let them simply storm your lines and destroy you because you won't fire through the innocent to kill those who will certainly kill you? Just how far do you let them hide behind "innocents"? Blue skies, -Jeffrey - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Fuckin' A, he should go. Look at how many top editors quit in the wake of the NY Times scandal and others! If you're in charge, and those under you are fuckin' up and doing shit you should have been aware of and caught, you should swing for it. And it could even be argued that the editors were deliberately fooled by crafty, calculating liars, and still they lost their jobs! -Jeffrey - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Then why do city mayors and state attorneys general keep suing gun manufacturers and distributors for the actions of criminals? Sorry, Jeffrey, you can't use that as validation for your attempt to place blame on the governor. Esp without knowing the motivation behind the killer, who clearly is most responsible. Are you really saying society is responsible for this criminal act, not the criminal himself? This thread is as lame as the Brady types dancing on the bodies when it suits their political wishes. It's sad that residents of Chicago have limited means of self defense, but it's not terribly relevent here. Okay, here we go now, very slowly I... was... being... F-A-C-E-T-I-O-U-S... when... I... said... that... I blame no one but the killer for the shooting. I do blame the governor for the policy of leaving the defenders of the capitol defenseless, themselves. Dude, really, WHO THE FUCK EVER HEARD OF CAPITOL GUARDS BEING [B]UNARMED[/B]?!?! -Jeffrey - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Please tell me you're kidding and you're not really that naive, right? The only person in the senate who voted against PATRIOT I was a democrat. Have a look at the official record, if you like. PATRIOT was introduced in a such a way it was almost impossible, politically, for anyone to vote against it, and virtually no one had time to read it before it was voted on. That ought to be illegal. But I agree, the .50 cal ban is ridiculous and absurd, and I'll be calling the governor and telling him so. That's my point. Big deal if the only person who voted against it was a Democrat. That's supposed to be the proud moment for the Democratic party against the "invasive" Patriot Act? That the single vote against it was one of them? How does that change the fact that ALL of the rest of them voted FOR it? You're right about it being borderline criminal to vote for legislation you haven't read and don't understand. Both sides should swing for it. In fact, Congress should be VACATED of anyone who does such a thing. But your Dems did it, just like the Repubs did, and yet the liberals here keep castigating the Repubs for the Patriot Act almost exclusively, and implying directly that "If you want Patriot II, vote for the Republicans," as though the Democrats are the only ones who have awakened from the dangerous stupor of voting for this kind of thing. How do you know that Republicans in Congress will not also vote against an updated version? -Jeffrey - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

That a good idea, bombs are a great precision weapon, it satisfies my thirst for revenge when I see pictures of iraqis looking like this, and of course this will have the affect of scaring the terrorists and stopping future kidnappings and murders . Um, it looks like he has some dried mud on his face, and it's a little bruised. What's your point? Do the psychos we're fighting, who won't even show themselves in battle, but strike and kill in secrecy and cowardice, have any problem with killing innocents, let alone scratching a kid's face? Blue skies, -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

I hope you fuckin' slapped them for spewing ignorance without (obviously) having made sure they had the facts to be speaking at all. Blue skies, -Jeffrey - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Bill, don't you mean the gun manufacturers and distributors kill people? You know, just like the car makers are guilty of drunk driving and manslaughter. Blue skies, -Jeffrey - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Then why do city mayors and state attorneys general keep suing gun manufacturers and distributors for the actions of criminals? Write your congressman and tell him/her you want protection for legal commerce in arms NOW! Blue skies, -Jeffrey - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

He sure wouldn't have been as likely to have escaped and remained at large! Because the guard(s) were not equipped to fight back -- indeed to keep ANYONE "secure" and safe -- there is now a psychotic murderer roaming around unapprehended. You take that as a pro-disarmament argument? And you have the nerve to criticize my "vision of the world" with a vision like that of your own?? editor's note: When I posted this thread, the copy of the article in the link was NOT what appears there now. I copied and pasted the lead of the article. Now that the killer has been arrested, they have changed the article under the same link. That's why I was still writing that the killer was at large: I had not seen the NEW article. Blue skies, -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

They recognized you as a whiny liberal who would never carry a weapon because that's what the police are for -- to protect you. Blue skies, -Jeffrey - On the subject of whining, did you get your power restored yet? www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1238327#1238327

Well, I'm asking you, if you think "God" is kittens and lambs and birds and streams and flowers and mountains and smiles and children's laughter, then how did THOSE things make creation? And by the way, President Heston did not play God, he played Moses. Blue skies, -Jeffrey - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

My family's experience with declawing is similar to yours. It didn't seem to take but a few days for the four cats we had to adjust to life after declawing. However, I still would not do it to my cat. My mom made the unilateral decision to have my brother's two cats, my sister's one and my one declawed in 1989. She had it done without consulting us, nor did she mention to the vet, for whom my oldest sister had worked, that none of us kids knew it was being done. I came home from school one day to find that all four cats were nowhere to be found. When my mom told me what was happening, I was furious, I cursed her out, called the vet and blasted him for doing it, and enlightened him that we kids did not know it was underway. He had already done two of the four cats, though, and told me that it really needed to be all or none. I told him that I was not going to be the one to give the go-ahead. He had to call back and speak with my dad at that point. I didn't speak to my mom for like a week. Of course... Once the cats were healed up, the fact that they were declawed did seem to make them more docile, and since they were very personable and liked to sleep on me, it was nicer when they started to knead their paws on my neck or chest and I wasn't being gouged with ten little needles. Still, even with that benefit, I won't have my current cat "modified" that way. If I couldn't live with a bit of clawing, I wouldn't have gotten the cat. Put it this way: would you do it to a dog so it wouldn't scratch your wooden floors? Blue skies, -Jeffrey - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Wasn't his name spelled just "Jm"? Anyway, was the show you're thinking of "Too Close for Comfort"? With Ted Knight as a cartoonist who wrote "Cosmic Cow"? They always did that stupid thing about how he couldn't sit down on his daughters' couch without rolling over the back of the loose cushions. Ugh. Blue skies, -Jeffrey - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Trust me, Seinfeld has a very profoundly different effect on anyone who has lived (especially grown up) in the NY/Long Island/NYC area. It has a special place in our hearts. Blue skies, -Jeffrey - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Murphy Brown. Man, I can't think of a "comedy" I thought was more lamely written AND acted... Blue skies, -Jeffrey - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

As new shows go, one of the funniest I've seen is "Arrested Development." I had heard about it all last season, and didn't check it out until just a few weeks ago. Funny as hell! Blue skies, -Jeffrey - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Same here on the other coast. And it was the whole reason I spent $250 for a Bonehead Gunner with a thin chin strap to replace my Velocity with the big-ass chin cup -- I was tryin' to be kiss-friendly! Blue skies, -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Look at those pupils!! That's you TRIPPING!! LOL!! -Jeffrey - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

OMG HOLY SHIT It took that pic to make me remember, after all this time, that I DID meet you, when you were down here at SoBe last winter!! I never made the connection when you had the sunglasses avatar pic up! LOL! Howyoudoin'?! Come back down this winter and jump with us at Sebastian!

Jesus! Are those Victorian, or Elizabethan?! -Jeffrey - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

OMG, my cat gets so sad in the car! My old cat, who died, made the saddest warbling groaning meooownnn... Just about broke my heart. But my "new" cat, she freaked me out on a FL - NY drive. I stopped in MD to get some gas to get me farther to NJ where the gas was cheaper. So at NJ, I gassed up, then drove over to the rest stop building, went inside to make a phone call, and came back out to the car to drive the rest of the way to L.I. I wanted to check on how the cat was feeling -- she had gotten very nervous during the trip and liked to hide, or sit on my lap (and try to get down to the clutch pedal!). "Featherrrr... Honey, come out. Where are you?" Nothing. "Featherrr! Come on out, honey!" Nothing. I proceeded to move everything around the back of the car (a hatchback Subaru wagon) looking for her. I became convinced that she had managed to slip out of the car unnoticed about 100 miles back in Maryland, and that she was now wandering around the rest area parking lot, or worse, in the woods. I broke down and started crying/yelling at myself. People even saw me despairing there in the parking lot. But for some reason, unwilling to admit loss, I checked over in the car one more time, and this time -- found the cat securely sequestered far under the driver's seat. Prior to that, I knew, she had enjoyed sitting in the rear passenger footwell for much of the trip. I had no inkling that she would wedge herself in with all the wires and rails under the seat! I chastised her for having a laugh at my expense, and we continued on with the trip. What a nightmare! I can just imagine how I'd feel if I had really let her get away on the highway! -Jeffrey - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Bollocks! "It's no time to go wobbly George", Margaret Thatcher to Bush (41) when he was wavering about the Gulf War. You very consistently "quote" people but never offer documentation that the quotes you reproduce were ever said by those you accuse of having said them. i.e. where the fuck does this come from, that I should believe it and not think you just made it up on the spot?! - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

That's blatantly sexist. Maggie Thatcher's sex never prevented her from engaging the Argintinians in the Falklands. t "Maggie, Maggie what have we done?!" -Pink Floyd "The Final Cut"

"Security" guard shot and killed in IL statehouse Perhaps Rod Blagojevich is to blame for this death. Apparently he thinks that because gun control is in place in his state, no one who shouldn't have a gun has one. He insists on keeping people in the state of IL disarmed -- right on up to the so-called "security guards" at the STATEHOUSE. And compounding that, he doesn't even have metal detectors to get into the building. WTF good are statehouse guards who are not armed? Apparently it doesn't suit the governor to have guns used to defend the good from the evil, and this is what you get. Blue skies, -Jeffrey - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

BTW, I hate vodka, but I'm pretty damned sure I want a bottle of this stuff... just to have.