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Yes, he can be beat but it won't be with a good dose of vim and vigor. Not even if we get gosh darn mad. These people are street fighters. No rules, no conscious, just winning. Neal had a chance to have Trumps tax returns but took a pass because of the optics. Does anyone think they'd pass because it didn't look right?

Sure. And as fast as the D's can get their collective shit together now is a good time to start.

He's anything but ideal but if he doesn't keel over, pull out his hearing horn or lose his fixodent between now and November 2020 he probably has the best chance of drawing fringe voters. He did get fired up enough to say he'd beat Trump like a drum, so that's a positive. For smarts you have to like Buttigieg and Warren. Sadly, we don't yet live in that America.

Backlash. Bush was widely seen as an illegitimate President by many Americans. Internationally he was seen as a terrible President. We travel internationally a lot. When he was reelected we noticed a different feel. It was a sort of "Seriously, again?" Our current President is a traitor, it seems. It's past time for parsing silly shit. The asshole needs to go.

It's obvious we can not beat the right with solidarity and strategy. Or smarts, for that matter. So lacking are D leaders in the clever and spine department, so lacking are D candidates for president in the sensibility department, that there's little doubt we'll flub it. So, it seems to me that without a 2020 Presidential win in sight, we might as well roast the orange bastard a little. Who knows, maybe he can be wounded enough to get a serious R primary challenger. If we're lucky, maybe some D leaders at the State level can turn it into a Senate or House seat or two. Maybe it'll deny the doof a few hours of tanning bed, combover, hairspray, watching Fox and Friends, and other Nationally important Executive time in the morning, who knows? Those little bits are better than nothing which is just what we're getting now. It's time to get real. David's don't defeat Goliath's; Goliath's defeat Goliath's and the meek are not going to inherit the Earth. There's a reason the Federation of Planets spent their day's fighting the Klingon's, Romulan's and the Borg but not the Tribbles. Our species is not devolving from an advanced society of librarians. Gene Roddenberry simply observed that ass kickers win and Beanie Babies lose. That's the natural order of things. In the words of the great Richard Feynman; you don't like it? Go somewhere else. The masses aren't looking for help solving climate change or quadratic equations (put the Republican Agenda on one side of the = sign and Democrat Agenda on the other side....), they're looking for strong leaders tossing red meat and pounding podiums. They care about loving or hating AOC not AGW. It's time to face reality, the right has controlled the agenda for the last 10 years because they better understand human nature as it truly is; the left understands it as we wish it to be. We divide, they conquer. They encircle, we form circular firing squads. If ever there were a time to harden up and to promote and strengthen a presidential candidate that was appealing to the electoral masses now is that time. As far as I'm concerned the only person, regardless of gender, sexuality or economic philosophy, who's time in history is now is the candidate who can be made strong enough to beat Trump. That means accepting that there is a reason the Mueller report didn't move Trumps support needle in a meaningful way. It means accepting that a lot of people didn't vote for Hillary because they will never believe it's time for a female to be our President. It means accepting that our country has more racists, misogynists, narrow agenda evangelicals and sundry assholes than we counted. It means accepting that we need some of those votes. It means accepting that while it is likely that Elizabeth Warren won't beat Trump it's a certainty that William Wallace would. It means accepting the futility of reasoning into reality many of those well named deplorable's because they have an affliction: they are unable to see into the thoughts of others. Nor can they see beyond their current self interests, as defined that morning by Fox News or some jackass demagogue. Nor will most ever admit they were wrong. Context eludes them. Consequently, they will always dig in deeper and put their tribe first. I don't believe there are enough votes there to be worth the effort. Then there are the people who have the capacity to understand but simply care more about their wallet than our Nations reputation or the future of the planet. They don't think more conserved land is bad because we simply have enough. They aren't opposed to environmental regulations that are better for the nations health and welfare because it's unnecessary. They aren't opposed to LGTBQ marriage, adoption or bathrooms really. They care about the money. Specifically their money. And they put all other forms of collateral damage in a very not so close second place. Yes, they suck. But they also vote in droves. Like it or not, if the D's want those voters to hold their noses and vote for someone other than Trump then they need to put up someone those voters will actually vote for, not someone they said they voted for. And, if we do have a later, we can do the social justice thing then. It's no wonder the right tends to see Liberals as highway robbers instead of being legitimately concerned with social justice, environmental welfare and the future of our planet. We find out Bernie's a millionaire and cringe knowing it's bad press. We've branded ourselves the party of the have not's who want yours and then waste too much time and energy explaining to the righties that the soup kitchens aren't being built for them, too. Of course we don't want America to be Venezuela. But now that the right has, and so, so easily, established the meme in the minds of their acolytes, it's catch up ball again. Being successful, having bags of money and not wanting it taken away to be wasted on lazy jerks is not unreasonable. Yes, it's vastly more complicated than that but for once let's just don't go there. Instead recognize that numbers like a quarter million or half a million or 5 million are small piles of chips in Dallas, Texas, San Diego and many other cities big and small. Fortunes like $10 Million or $100 Million and more should be laudable achievements in today's economy not evidence of perfidy and greed. We are capitalists, right? Of course there are levels of individual and corporate wealth that are unhealthy for the economy and should be heavily taxed. But the reality is that a few Billion is the new few Million and the deplorables don't give a rat's ass if you stole it cheating on your taxes because they would, too. A lot of the people who have been harmed by Trump will never be able to sort that out on their own. However, I do think enough of their votes can be had by a properly chosen messenger. But the reality is that the few votes that may be obtainable are not swayable by logic, facts or reason. They'll be won over, if at all, with slogans and outright silliness spouted by a face that is acceptable to their prejudices. But we won't. We'll F it up, for sure. Like pheasant's in a coop we'll peck each others tails off not realizing that now we look stupid, too. As it stands, even if impeachment proceedings in the House aren't completely flubbed and, against all odds, lead to a conviction in the Senate we're still on track for a President Pence or, for all we know, Ivanka. Whatever. Frankly, at this stage I'd take 8 more years of George W. to escape this goat rope. So screw it, let's be good serfs and have some big fun roasting Trump while we wait to get our asses kicked again. 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Poor Coreece, always the martyr. Give it up, yo, who has "directly or indirectly expressed hope for the deaths of older conservatives whose world view hinders their twisted and hypocritical liberal agenda"? What makes you sick is living in a world where your, and Ron's, beliefs no longer get the lifetime pass from examination that made your day's so easy. Sorry, dude, someone turned the lights on.

Indeed. And considering the apparent reverse causality between the rise in atmospheric CO2 and the drop in long term treasury yields since 2000 (CO2 371ppm-411PPM and LTR 6.94%-1.77%) it seems obvious that simply borrowing less money will lower CO2 levels. Why has no one thought of that?

Come on, man, it's Nürburgring. If you want to impress, be impressive.

Go Jets!

You haven't read about it? They cancelled ice fishing for Pickerel at The Forks this year. Them boy's in the Peg are on thin ice, for sure.

Um, good about herself? Maybe she'll believe she's as good and capable as anyone else. Maybe her whole life will have a meaningful purpose or maybe she'll just get a job or admission that would otherwise never have happened. Maybe she'll feel so fulfilled she won't feel a need to find an online forum where she can beat the same damn drum every day. I am curious about one thing, are there any Swedes here who can tell us if a mother saying her daughter is mentally ill has a different connotation or social meaning than in the US? Is there a translation issue perhaps?

That's what I'm thinking. After all, recycling will save the world, right?

"Please go back to arguing your own arguments. There will always be some idiot thing to refute, just go back through my posts if you have doubts. Seriously, ejaculations like the above are like a phantom twitch; an absolute nothing that feels real to you alone." See? It fit's again.

Please go back to arguing your own arguments. There will always be some idiot thing to refute, just go back through my posts if you have doubts. Seriously, ejaculations like the above are like a phantom twitch; an absolute nothing that feels real to you alone.

Engaging in public policy isn't accomplished by the sort of green shaming and trivializing you find funny. I don't have an electric car, a single solar panel on our house, I'm not a vegan and I don't ride a bike to Whole Foods toting a hemp bag. It's not that I wouldn't or because I think it's stupid to do so, I just don't. I suppose if I had a more regular life and was as clever as Bill I might sort out a solar/EV solution just for giggles and if the Whole Foods wasn't 20 miles away I might ride my bike. Going Vegan holds no appeal but I can definitely see the point and the observable health benefits. The impact of those particular individual decisions, especially when multiplied as the practices become accepted by society is not ZERO. In terms of reduction of CO2 output against the whole the effect is inarguably de minimis. However, as the ideas gain acceptance, as demonstrated by practice, they will likely become drivers of public policy on things that do have real effect. That, I'm pretty sure, is what engagement actually looks like.

Plain logic say's that worse news about vaping will soon come. But, just as everyone who sprays Roundup doesn't become a statistic nor will every Vaper suffer harm, in their lifetimes. In the meantime let's encourage all smokers to do whatever it takes, short of voting Republican, to get off their smokes. And that means supporting them even if we don't like the solution.

Brent, you aren't educating anyone here. We warmist, alarmist, hysterical and blindered nincompoops are too hypnotized by foolishly perceived developing climatic conditions not the play by play action that informs your world view. You agree the planet is warming. You also acknowledge that human activity plays a role. You simply believe there is more good than bad for a certain, but yet, undefined while. Also, you are comfortable being wrong when you are long since dead. We prefer, if there is any possibility, to be right when we are dead. And we are willing to pay up now for that unlikely possibility. We aren't changing our views and neither are you. So how about we just fade this, and any irreconcilable second amendment differences for that matter, and move on? Surely there are other things that inspire you.

Well you tickled me and I thank you.

This is interesting: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/american-migration-patterns-should-terrify-gop/598153/ Apparently, Generations Y and Z are already moving to where they definitely need to go. If it's only the cost of moving holding them back maybe that's where the money should be spent. I mean, does anyone not know at least one Millennial they wouldn't pay to be rid of? I didn't think so.

Seriously, I wasn't being serious. If anything Bill should send them a few more bucks. Great study, though. Now we know that we all consider everyone one not like us to be uninformed dipsy doodles. I couldn't have worked that out on my own, that's for sure. So did this More in Common think tank that did the study fire all of their college educated researchers before or after they published the findings?

Goddamnit Bill, you need to back off. Did they not teach disconnected realities at MIT? Maybe we should go get your money refunded.

No thanks, I like you better asleep.

We aren't the only consistently boring people on SC. You fancy yourself clever, have you ever considered buying a new pony?

Well, they do have a product to sell.

And they are damn good at it. Hopefully we’ll learn, too .