JoeWeber

Hispanics are moving away from Biden? Is that why they’re crossing the border, he’s in Mexico?

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Ok, who would you like to see as President and Vice President in 2024?

Thanks for the reply. I'll make a few random comments but I really think the common ground will remain elusive. For example, you asked if we should include the M-1 Garand. You know that really doesn't fit the idea and it doesn't use a detachable high capacity magazine. If you need to go back to WWII you'd have been better tossing out the Stg 44. Yes, you can tape magazines together but why do you need a 10 round magazine in the first place? And honestly, while I concede they should be allowed, why does anyone need a semi-automatic to hunt game? Because if you wound it you might piss it off? Maybe instead be a better shot or hunt less irritable and more edible game. My last day Elk hunting I watched a complete jackass unload his semi-automatic rifle into a huge buck that was at least 300 yards distant. Yes, he eventually killed the poor thing, too bad it wasn't deer season. The argument about the suffering of the innocent who just want to own ridiculous firearms will never resonate with me. Pretty much 99% of the people who do anything aren't the problem so, to my mind, it's a pointless point. And to close out, those manufacturers were acting just as legally as the opioid manufacturers and just giving the market what they wanted. That doesn't make it right or good for society.

Welcome back, traveler. Might I suggest, just for the sake of honesty, that you take Winsor's example and not use the IMHO acronym seeing as you don't got one. Sort of, it makes you come off as a looser. I'm sad for you that your capacity to see the world as it is so limited by your need to make cheap and silly points about Dems/Biden etc. Inflation is on a tear worldwide. Supply issues compounded by corporate greed are supercharging inflationary trends. It isn't only the stimulus every nation with money to spend injected into their economies during the initial covid debacle. There is also the inconvenient invasion of a sovereign nation by an oil exporting country that has created stress on the worldwide price of oil. That's not the end of the causes either. I am sure you'll shed no tears for "them" because you seem to care little for "them's" because getting to feel better about yourself for a fleeting moment is your payout. Enjoy.

Let's try again, "Your theory, unfortunately, ignores many other legitimate issues." Nice to blurt out, please name the many. "I don't know of anyone, that's not far left, that understands this issue, that thinks banning these guns is feasible or would be effective." Obviously, what you consider to be "understanding this issue" is believing nothing is feasible or effective. You just want that to be true. The 1994 ban had positive aspects. Let's bolster it with serious penalties, include all high capacity magazines, increased point of sale checks and high taxes on ammunition, add a buy back program paid for by taxes on the manufacturers and just take the whole thing seriously up to including raising the age of legal purchase to 21 (years beyond high school). And for the umpteenth time no one is pretending that criminals will follow the law. That said they don't seem keen on committing mass murder with AR-15's which is the school shooters weapon of choice. So, by and large, I do think your statement was baloney. Keep repeating and it will still be a bunk argument. People hunt and that's a legitimate activity and an American tradition. Honestly, I think semi-automatic rifles for game hunting are wholly unnecessary, certainly none need to have more rounds than 4-5 in the magazine. I always used a bolt action Ruger 77 in 7MM for Elk hunting and went 10 for 10 with never a second shot. Half my duck and pheasant hunting was with a Savage 12ga Single Shot, and later with a Wingmaster Pump just so I could change choke with a quick barrel change. I was never at a disadvantage against the semi-auto guys. So no, it does not need to include rifles and handguns used for hunting, even low capacity semi-auto loading guns. That's just you trying to make it sound worse and a step away from a complete ban. How many times must I state the same thing? Assault style weapons like AR-15's that are designed to look like military guns and can accept high capacity magazines. The new Sig Sauer MCX SPEAR is emblematic of the problem. It's the civilian version and it's entire purpose is to look badass military. Why do you suppose that is?

Bush league. Better: Darn Demographics Doomed Democrats Destiny, Dammit.

Whoop-de-doodle. One more inconsequential verdict to add to the pile.

I'd call it a fuck up. Now the 'splaination is some first class poetic license.

And a whole county in Pennsylvania, apparently.

You don't credit Ron with reconsidering his position based on new evidence?

You had a month and that's the best you could come up with for a joke? And you had to edit it, too?

I really don't think there is an intentional deception, rather it's just what reality is in the location the arguments come from. I've stated it here previously that I believe it has less to do with facts presented and more to do with local society. If someone has spent years naysaying those who believe any gun control is sensible at their favorite gun range or in the company of their duck hunting or hog shooting buddies there is a likely zero chance that anything discussed on an internet blog will inspire an epiphany. In a war of wits between me here and Junior there the outcome is in no doubt.

Well tonights hearings are over. For many the relief must be palpable: no more hearings to not watch until September.

Baloney. No one is pretending that, you are simply unable to release your grip on the canard. No, it does not need to include "rifles and handguns". You're just trotting out the old red meat nonsense. We can star with assault rifles and high capacity magazines. Neither are needed for hunting or self defense and both would be easy to describe in legislation. Start calling them by their real names and quit being obtuse. You know full well what we're talking about when we are stating AR-15's and assault style weapons.

Is that your trouble, the money? Sure, let's give a tax credit for every banned gun or magazine turned in by a date certain and pay for it with a tax increase on the gun manufacturers who profited heavily from this national disaster. Of course let's also have some serious possession penalties for our troubles. Perhaps a few Texas style turn in your neighbor for a bounty laws would help, too. Bill, continuing to argue that criminals don't obey laws as an excuse for doing nothing is hardly an intelligent point. We need to start somewhere by restricting something and it is hardly smart to argue that the something shouldn't include assault weapons and high capacity magazines. Another good start is to stop glorifying the ownership of assault weapons and high capacity magazines and, for those of us with some additional capacity, to stop referring to AR Platforms and high cap mags in those euphemistically cutesy terms as if announcing we're leaving the room to go #2.

Me too. We're lucky here.

Spot on, Jerry. The Gunhugging transammosexuals will never see a path forward that does not include more guns, and more dangerous guns, for all. Earlier in the thread Bill wrote: "Banning high cap mags may have no impact." So much to unpack there, none of which will ever resonate with BillE, I'm now convinced. There's the "high cap mags" for starters. All just local gun guy talk he'd say, I'm sure, not realizing that it's a neutralizing (I'd argue neuralizing) bit of brainwashing he's been subjected to. In fact, they are High Capacity Magazines for guns used to mass murder people in the current discussion. Then there is the "may have no impact" toss out for the purpose of misdirection. Of course the banning of high capacity magazines won't eliminate their use tomorrow but it's a real and fair start. Too bad the indoctrinated never give an inch gun crowd believes they can never give an inch. Gun Loving is a religion and you cannot argue people out of a religion.

No, there's just nothing that can be done. It's too late, there are already too many guns, too many AR-15's. So, the only thing to do is arm good guys with even better weapons. Thank God for Sig Sauer the winner of the US Army's next generation assault weapon contest. And to celebrate they have already released thousands of the civilian version the MCX-SPEAR at $8K a pop. Now how much good clean fun is this baby doll? I'll let Gen. Mark Milley do the talking: “This is a weapon that could defeat any body armor, any planned body armor that we know of in the future,” then-Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley told the Army Times in 2019. “This is a weapon that can go out at ranges that are unknown today.” Dayum, sport fans, with this baby ain't no hogs nowhere gonna be safe. Hoo-rah!

For sure. Real feral hogs can be huge, dangerous bastards. But it can never be considered such a problem that private citizens killing them with machine guns from helicopters is either a legitimate sport or necessary solution.

Maybe quit releasing idiots into the environment would help: "Cedar Knoll Hunting Lodge is located near the Savannah River in South Carolina. This area is one of the few places in the country that actually features wild hogs at home in their natural habitat. Unlike some hunting circles that release domesticated hogs into the wild, Cedar Knoll is all natural." Possibly just not letting loose your pigs so you can hunt them down and kill them could be a part of the solution, too.

Sure, give them the same rights as the alligators living in Florida Golf Courses and put your moonshine still somewhere else.

I'm well aware, but it's not Jurassic Park: it's wild pigs. The idea that a bunch of private army wannabee military gumbo's need to use "belt fed weapons" fired from "rotary platforms" to "eradicate" a problem that can not be eradicated by the method is just plain dumb. Only in America can such idiotic nonsense be offered up as a common sense solution and justification for our stupid interpretation of what should have been an innocent, and useful, constitutional amendment.

An unregulated hog eradication program, being necessary to the security of a pig free America, the right of the people to use yet to be invented machine guns fired from yet to be invented helicopters to make sausage meat out of the bastards shall, when the right time comes, be read into the US Constitution.

Got me, I was kicked out of third grade for not shaving. You're the house genius, you tell us.