RonD1120

It was a joke post I saw on FB the other day. I believe the idiots with the guns, in the majority of cases, are not the ones licensed for concealed carry. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Those who fear guns do so because they know they are guilty of something for which they could be shot. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

No, it doesn't necessarily mean that at all. All it means is that the DAY AFTER the killing, GZ had a bunch of injuries that his physician has described. Fortson is correct, there is not much that we KNOW and a whole lot that various people are assuming. No argument there. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Really, do tell. No threat from me, however, if you are naive regarding evil then you are in danger from those who are. You will never see it coming. By the same token, if you unwittingly behave in a manner others consider evil you may suffer unnecessary retribution. Arguably one of the worst analogies you could pick - since a pornography is subjective (much like your definition of evil I suspect). Therein lies the problem with your broad statement: What YOU consider evil isn't necessarily actually evil to others, just to you. Some areas are clearly black and white, while most are much more gray. No, I don't agree with TM since I have no idea what TM thought. All we have been told is that GZ thought he was threatened. And, the medical report just released indicates that he was threatened. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Well, you are correct in that I don't much concern myself with the views of others outside the U.S. However, am I understanding you correctly in that because I am old I should allow myself to become vulnerable to evil willingly? Is that what you young folks do? Do you embrace evil? When the terrorists blew up your nightclub, did you send thank you notes? Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Holy Crap That's ignorance at its best. Pride goeth before a fall .... Everyone has their own perception. Ever heard that? Anyhow, as long as its within the rules, it's OK. I really do not want to know what your *counselor* job means. I really enjoy watching you Libs get your panties in a bunch. Do you know "the rules?" Reality exists in the mind of the beholder. Some people are crazy and some are sane. Some are evil and some are good. How do you tell the difference? If a person starts acting and talking crazy I assume they are crazy. If someone threatens me I assume they are evil. As a professional with training, I can hang in there much longer than most people. So, judge all you want from the outside looking in. Because, in the end that is where you are, namely, on the outside guessing about the inside. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

I am not on trial here. If you don't have an intuitive understanding of evil, my suggestion to you is, be very very careful when you are out in public. You might get killed. That being said, it is like pornography, I know it when I see it. Edit for typo Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Yep! Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Just murder, self-defense and war are acceptable because evil exists. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

I have worked in the locked unit of a psych hospital and residential treatment for substance use disorder. I have seen the fire in the eyes of a young crazy. That is why I have a CWFL issued by the State of Florida. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Yes, I know. I was raised in Tampa and I know for a fact that judges did order it as a condition of probation but that was a long time ago and I have no clue as to how it stands today. Well, let me clarify to be more precise....in the cases I 'know' of, it may have been that the judge ordered evaluation and/or treatment of SOME sort and AA was an acceptable option. I just ran across those references and thought to post them as discussion material. Please don't get me started on the court system and judges doing whatever the hell they damned well please. HI! My name is Andy and I'm a dizzy.com-aholic! Chamberlain H.S. Class of 1960. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Somehow, it is or was different in FL. See my post #70 above. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

I hope your treatment programs are entirely seperate from AA and/or NA. You don't say that they are, but I don't see anywhere that you clearly state that they aren't. There's nothing wrong with encouraging participants in treatment to attend 12 step programs. Requiring participation is a violation of the third tradition. And to say the treatment program (that is funded by the government) is AA or NA is in pretty direct violation of several traditions. I am retired now. The treatment programs where I was employed were in Polk, Pasco and Hillsborough Counties FL. AA/NA were required in most phases. Some outpatient treatment programs strongly recommend attendance. If the treatment is court ordered, mandatory attendance in addition to actual treatment is almost guaranteed in the judge's order. In the last program of my career, we provided the dates, times and places for the meetings and a form to be signed by the meeting leader. The forms were to be presented to the client's probation officer. If the client did not attend at least one meeting or a church, of their choice, service per week it became a treatment question opportunity. We reported to the probation office regarding the client's participation in our program. The PO had the final authority. Unsuccessful completion of the program was a violation of probation. If the client was cooperative in the other areas of treatment, did not have any dirty urines, but did not attend outside meetings, he/she could still complete the program successfully. In such instances the PO would probably not cause them any further grief. The question of federal, state or local government funding is answered with the AA/NA tradition of allowing the client a personal definition of "higher power." In some areas, the only programs available are funded by a church organization entirely and therefore do not receive any government funding. Teen Challenge is an example. A judge can order an offender to such treatment as an alternative to incarceration. Andy9o8 could weigh in here with a more legal explanation. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Your choice of words and phraseology (here and in numerous other threads) indicates you know little to nothing about the constitution. Even if AA had a perfect success rate, it is a violation of the constitution for the government (= the courts in this case) to require anyone to participate in a fundamentally religious exercise. Why is it so hard for you to understand that your freedom to adhere to your particular religious beliefs only comes with the condition that everyone else is also free to follow their own beliefs, or even no religious belief at all, as long as those beliefs/practices don't involve harming other people. If the government were to mandate that everyone follow Christianity, and in particular a literalist interpretation of the Bible, that might be convenient for you (as you wouldn't have to alter your behavior much if at all), but you still would not be free to choose. How can lack of freedom in such a personal and important part of our lives ever be reconciled with American values (or any value system that embraces freedom)? I find it disgusting when people wrap themselves in the flag of American patriotism while seeking to strip everyone else of their freedom to decide for themselves the "meaning of life". Don Yeah, but, we get federal funding to run the treatment programs, always have, always will. And, your second paragraph is way off base. It does not apply to me in any way. Yawn! Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Your choice of words and phraseology indicates you know little to nothing about the subject. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Respecting your IMO, it is of no consequence, bottom line, it works. Again I reiterate for those of you not following everything I post, AA/NA is supplemental to the court ordered program, in most cases. It provides a support system for post treatment sobriety. In some areas funding does not exist for treatment programs. In those situations the court may order the alcoholic/addict directly to AA/NA with a requirement to report to the probation officer with frequent and regular reports. Edit to correct typos. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Oh CRAP! You got me. You got me good. Too funny. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Ah c'mon! If he was running for sheriff in AL it would offensive. But, in ID, who gives a crap? I'll bet the Coeur d'Alene people thought it humorous. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

You are an educated individual. Those remarks are beneath your level of professional acumen. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Doesn't Clinton deserve a little tinkle, since he was a draft dodger as well. Of course, he is still alive but, you could kinda spray the backside of his trailer. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

In my work and, I assume throughout the U.S., AA/NA is part of treatment. It was in my programs. What I gather from your viewpoint is that people simply make choices about their addictions or their lifestyles. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

You are working for God? Did he tell you to *bless* others in his name? Wow, what a job. Well paid? Yes, I am and the benefits are eternal. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

That statement makes no sense to me. It is a support program with a plan that addicts need. Is it the only way, no. Is it a proven successful way for many, yes. That is all I have to say. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Each of us has a free will to make decisions, no puppeteering involved. AA/NA is not nonsense. It is a very successful recovery program worldwide. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

I read all the replies but, my first thought was that his aim was poor. The home invader escaped. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.