RonD1120

Really? Where? Please cite a source, because I'm calling bullshit on that being part of a medical description of alcoholism. http://search.medicinenet.com/search/search_results/default.aspx?Searchwhat=1&query=alcoholism&I1=Search http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease_theory_of_alcoholism http://www.healthunit.org/alcoholdrug/alcohol/chronicdiseases.htm IGYYSOB Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

The end result of anything is death. Drink water long enough - death. Breath long enough - death. Eat tofu long enough - death. You're going to die of something no matter what. I'm not saying alcoholism is a good thing, but to say death is the reason it's bad is specious. That is just the way medical science describes the disease. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Or...you could recalibrate your bullshit detector and quit being so freakin' gullible. Somehow I don't see that happening, though. Living a life of suicidal alcoholism is much more scientific than being delivered into sanity and sobriety by the grace of God through Jesus Christ. Yeah, applied science worked wonders for me. No thanks. You've thrown the baby out with the bathwater, Ron. Just because your belief in an imaginary god helped you in one area of your life, there's no need to go overboard and throw Reason out of your life altogether. And yet, you want me to do that by denying what worked. No can do. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Evidence shows that alcoholism is chronic. The end result is death unless intervened by insanity or jail. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Here is a good explanation. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/bombardier.html "a step-by-step evolution of the bombardier system is really not that hard to envision. The scenario below shows a possible step-by-step evolution of the bombardier beetle mechanism from a primitive arthropod." All it takes is a little faith in evolution. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Or...you could recalibrate your bullshit detector and quit being so freakin' gullible. Somehow I don't see that happening, though. Living a life of suicidal alcoholism is much more scientific than being delivered into sanity and sobriety by the grace of God through Jesus Christ. Yeah, applied science worked wonders for me. No thanks. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

P.S. I'm still waiting for a scientific explanation on how the Bombardier Beetle evolved. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

As one who is on the side of "wrong" it's no wonder you see it this way. Beyond all of your above drivel, there IS an issue here...That being that there is an overwhelming amount of hard, objective evidence supporting evolution, and absolutely none supporting the intellectual joke that is "creationism". Once again, the religilous are desperately trying to hold onto some bullshit theory that flies in the face of reality beacuse it exposes religion as sham it is, Like so many times in the past, science will prevail and the religilous will start with the "well, what we REALLY meant was..." monolugues. )Edited for grammer) Well I guess you got me. I need to go back and relive my life, eh. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Dr. Eric Byrne wrote a book, Games People Play. The one that sticks in my mind the most is the one he called IGYYSOB. Or, "I've got you, you son-of-a-bitch." It plays out with these guys all the time, I'm right your wrong, you Christian SOB. It is simply adolescent argument as far as I am concerned. Maturational development is learning that adolescent rebellion has an ending point. Some of those rebellious antagonistic patterns take longer than others to grow beyond. We all hang on to some of them way past their expiration date. Some never give them up. I don't know the ages of the primary antagonistists here now but I think two of them are in their 20's and one is 30 something. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Message from Maine Governor Paul LePage. http://www.dirigoblue.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Government-run-Health-Care-.mp3 Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

. You really think the Dems suck up to CR like the Gop sucks uo to RL? No, I don't think Liberal Democrats can handle CR. To me he is a comedian for Conservatives. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

It's a matter of scale, recency, decency, and sequelae. You'd make a lousy historian, on several levels. But as is your general pattern on these boards, you do make a fair-to-middling troll. You know, Walter E. Williams has made the same basic statement on the radio a year or two back. And, he is a black man, college professor. Bill Cosby and Alvin Poussaint, also. But their points still do not invalidate my reply to Mr. Troll: that the reason why our history of slavery still resonates in American culture is because of scale, recency, decency, and sequelae. That notion, and the arguments of Williams, Cosby and Poussaint, far from being mutually exclusive, co-exist in harmony. I understand that. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

It's a matter of scale, recency, decency, and sequelae. You'd make a lousy historian, on several levels. But as is your general pattern on these boards, you do make a fair-to-middling troll. You know, Walter E. Williams has made the same basic statement on the radio a year or two back. And, he is a black man, college professor. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Your ignorance is astounding, Quade. Care to elaborate on how "a lot of the Founders were fucked up"... despite the fact that all of them recognized the flaws of man and of Human Nature, which is why they gave us the Constitutionally Limited Republic with DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES... not a democracy... ...to prevent the flaws of man and of human nature (and the power of factions as spoken about in the Federalist Papers) from subverting the rights of the people through the desires of money and power. Tea Party Principles: 1) Return to Limited Government 2) Follow the Constitution 3) Low taxes 4) RESPONSIBLE spending Care to elaborate on this "political belief system on dogmatic adherence to what they believed was right". And once again... I'm not a Tea Party member. Now don't start making sense and put him on the spot. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Me too! Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

CR makes his living being controversial just like many others e.g., Rush Limbaugh. More power to them. They are funny and entertaining. Anyone that take them seriously enough to have their feelings hurt has a low self-esteem. Being PC just sucks. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

I'm white. Ain't got no soul. Rhythm neither. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

OK, but, which came first the gas or the exhaust ports? Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Peer reviewed?? Really?! It's all opinion based on interpretation of the Bible. There is no way to define who's interpretation is correct since it's all subjective to each person's opinion. It's nothing but fantasy which you appear to try to give it legitimacy by trying to make it sound like science when you don't seem to be able to grasp what the scientific method is. My dear beowulf, you totally missed the point. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

What about the Bombardier Beetle? http://www.wild-facts.com/tag/bombardier-beetle-facts/ What about the Bombardier Beetle? I refer you to my post #1155 above. It's a very nice example of evolution, that's what. No, it is a confusing example of evolution. It's only confusing to those who wish to be confused and/or are easily confused. ETA my response, which somehow got lost in the reply posting. I refer you to my post #1155 above. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

What about the Bombardier Beetle? http://www.wild-facts.com/tag/bombardier-beetle-facts/ What about the Bombardier Beetle? It's a very nice example of evolution, that's what. No, it is a confusing example of evolution. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

What about the Bombardier Beetle? http://www.wild-facts.com/tag/bombardier-beetle-facts/ It has evolved a complex defensive mechanism. What do you find relevant about it? If the exhaust ports were developed first there would not have been an evolutionary need for them. If the gas process evolved first the beetle would have blown itself out of existence. Therefore, it is logical to think that the Bombardier Beetle was created with both the gas process and the exhaust ports simultaneously. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Hi Ron, I think we're not on the same page, as my concept of what is meant by "spirit" goes well beyond "motivator". Presumably the "spirit" is what survives into the "afterlife", and I doubt that many people would relish an afterlife that is inhabited by their "motivation" without any sense of self-awareness, memories, etc. I kind of assumed that what is supposed to survive (the "spirit" or "soul") would be a self-aware entity, essentially the entire personality of the individual. Talking to a "spirit" would be indistinguishable from talking to the person, right? How can you have a conversation with "motivation"? It seems to me to be a real conundrum, if the "spirit" (in the sense that I imagine it, which is the complete personality, memories, hopes, desires of the individual) is supposed to be non-physical, yet it is subject to profound alteration by physical causes such as dopamine/serotonin/whatever levels in the brain. Similarly, it is well known that physical damage to certain regions of the brain can profoundly affect impulse control, mood, memory, etc. How can physical damage to the pre-frontal cortex change something as fundamental to the "spirit" as the ability to weigh consequences of actions and choose to avoid evil actions? I had an uncle who had a malignant brain tumor removed; before the surgery he was always calm, and exceptionally considerate of everyone, but afterwards he was impulsive, abrasive, angry, a prick in a lot of ways. Completely a different person. How could removing a physical piece of someone's brain change who they are so much, if the "spirit" is not also physical? It seems to me that if the "spirit" was non-physical and just used the physical body as a device, physical disease or damage might impair functionality (such as making you blind, like removing the lens from a camera), but it wouldn't be able to change the essence of who you are. Do you have a resolution to this problem? Cheers, Don The concept of spirit and soul is debated without conclusion. My initial interest was based on Hebrews 4:12: "For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." I choose the model for explanation and understanding that states that we are spirit we have a soul and we live in a body. The definition, by this model, of the soul is mind, emotions and will. In the spirit of full disclosure, this model was developed by Charles Solomon and peer review, along with Dr. Bill Wilson, has not been totally favorable. I presented the model to Dr. Steve Groff, a skydiving retired psychiatrist, and he did not embrace the model either. However, he does acknowledge that a measurable weight loss occurs at the moment of death. Is that the soul leaving? Well maybe but science cannot determine that answer, yet. So, I had to make a decision for my understanding of soul and spirit and I stuck with Solomon's model because it made since to me and I could easily explain it to my addicted clients. It served as a good foundational starting point for those client's seeking a Christian path to recovery. If the soul exists for eternity, and I believe it does, what do we take with it when we die? Scripture indicates there is no sorrow in heaven with Christ. To me that means we will have no thought of our earthly existence. For good memories are connected with bad memories. My present thinking is along the lines that we go into heaven with a clean slate. We are now spiritual entities only, living in a spiritual world and thought produces travel. The time space continuum is one multidimensional eternal being. Whatever it is, I am looking forward to it. In the meantime we live in a physical world with a spiritual influence. We make decisions based on how we feel about what we perceive. If our physical perceptions are altered we change our mental processes and thus our personalities change. When a person's personality changes are the result of physical trauma e.g., brain surgery, the homeostasis is radically altered. Medication and therapy are the only means I know of to deal with the change. Without psychiatric intervention, the patient lives in a world that requires everyone he interacts with to make adjustments. That is not very easy in the long term. Furthermore, the use of pharmacology and therapy is complicated by the fact that the patient must voluntarily choose that treatment. These are not easy questions to answer and at best can only be discussed in theory and applied sporadically. And then, what works for one patient may not work for another. Human behavior is just not very scientific. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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