RonD1120

Here in the mountains they sell diesel and off road diesel for well, off road use. You can be fined for using it in your highway vehicle. My guess is that it smokes. An interesting side note, my check engine light on my 03 Tundra V-8 keeps coming on. I changed out both sensors down from the catalytic converters, no luck. I took it to my mechanic and asked for a code on his equip. He replied it was an EVAP code but not to worry. It is for emission control and GA doesn't have emission control laws. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

You know billvon, your rather frequent attempts to patronize me and some others really reduces my respect for you. I have stated it before but you seem to gravitate in that direction naturally. My post, that you reference, is about local people in my area and what we discuss. Think about it. So the people in your area... that discuss the last two elections.... can't figure out the system of government and the electoral college that the founding fathers set in place??? C'mon don't become obtuse like billvon. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Please see Iago's post #36. I didn't say all Mexicans were a problem. I said they brought gang activity, which they did. In my area it was Sur 13 that was the most active. You are working way too hard to pick a fight with me. It is just not a substantial foundation. Mexican is a nationality not a race. My wife is Spanish and we related with many of our Mexican neighbors that worked in the farms. And besides, its a beautiful day in the mountains. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Not completely sure about this but, in the 50's I recall the strawberries were picked by the local children. Other produce tended by Haitians. Farm labor camps were a blight. I don't remember Mexicans entering the area until much later. I was out West most of the 70's. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

One of the grandfathers houses was out south of Plant City which was his way of being far enough above flooding from storms that would innundate his property down at Ruskin. I used to spend summers there and even back in the early 60's the migrant "problem" was decidedly latino. The older folks out there in the county were even then referring to the problem with a decidedly racist Hillsburrito County and not a one of them realized that was what it was.... I'm not quite following you here. If a group of people who are of a certain ethnic (or whatever) decent move into an area and bring a lot of problems with them, how is it 'racist' to refer to the problems in the area caused by that particular group? Thank you for the validation. You understand what I am stating. Keep in mind that I am a flame magnet. Many here work hard to pick a fight with me. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

You know billvon, your rather frequent attempts to patronize me and some others really reduces my respect for you. I have stated it before but you seem to gravitate in that direction naturally. My post, that you reference, is about local people in my area and what we discuss. Think about it. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

I'm quite certain you are correct about WIC, and suspect you are right about welfare. The point is that welfare is directed towards families with young children, not lazy-ass able-bodied adults who could work/go to school (so they can then get a job) but choose instead to do nothing productive. The point of my earlier (long) post was that reality is complicated, and every "solution" to these problems will have a variety of effects, some good and some bad. Most knee-jerk suggestions (let's make prisoners pick the crops!) turn out to have really bad "unintended consequences". As the saying goes, "for every problem there is a solution that is obvious, simple, and wrong". What we need is an economy that provides an abundance of jobs, and those jobs pay enough for people to actually live off of their paycheck. Also society has to provide people with the opportunity to get training (education) to do those jobs. Instead we have an economy where many jobs (not just the dangerous/boring ones) are being replaced by automation. For example 30 years ago someone with a high school diploma could get a job as a bank teller, and (if they were good at it) could move up from there. Today there are very few bank teller positions, and you have to have a university degree in economics or business (or a good family connection) to get such a job. Thousands of tellers have been replaced by ATMs. It's like that across the board; most "job creation" these days is in service sector jobs that pay at or close to minimum wage. Feeding into that is a mindset on the part of management that they are really worth 400X the salary of the people on the assembly line. I recall an episode I happened to see of "Shark Tank" where an entrepreneur wanted money to build a plant in Mississippi to produce some widgit he invented. One of the "sharks" was insistent that the guy build the plant in China. The argument was that they could produce the widgit for a couple of dollars less, but sell for the same price, and they (the shark and the entrepreneur) could pocket the money. To his credit the entrepreneur guy stuck to his guns, insisting that he owed it to his employees to keep the jobs Mississippi, and the shark guy then backed out of the deal. A year or two later they did an episode where they followed up on some people, including this entrepreneur, and it turned out he had found the money elsewhere, built the factory, was doing well himself, but just as important (to him) he was providing jobs for 25 or 30 people. We need a lot more of that type of thinking. Don We are on the same page. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Fact not racist. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

OK, I'm the one who is dense. I do not think like you do. But, I guess that is a moot point at this stage of our interactive relationship. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

I can't tell if you are joking or uncharacteristicly dense this morning. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

I do not understand your comment. Racism plays no part in my statement. What social problems are associated with "Mexicans" exclusively? Drugs? Gangs? Overcrowded housing? Burritos? Mariachi bands? Low rider cars? In my area it was mostly gang activity and the additional burden on the local ER. The point of my complaint was the farmers and their watering systems. During the freeze of 2008 there were over 700 sinkholes in Hillsborough County. Seven of them were within one mile of my residence. And, my well went dry. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

I do not understand your comment. Racism plays no part in my statement. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Just tagging on at the end, the last 14 years of my forced stay in FL, another story for another time, I was surrounded by strawberry fields in Plant City. Mexicans picked the berries and they brought in the associated social problems. My biggest complaint was that in the winter the farmers ran sprinklers to seal the berries in ice and protect them. This practice drops the water level in the aquifers causes sink holes and my well to stop pumping water. I have never cared for strawberries and do not understand why some do. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Everyone knows that justice is for those who can afford it. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

It appears that it is already a new form of slave trade. See my post #27. All of the these arguments skirt the issue which is the movement to reduce the United States' position as a hegemon in favor of liberal internationalism. This would create a one world government. Guess what follows next? Did Gen. Jack Ripper move into your compound up there in the hills? Are you guys still worried about them coming for all those precious fluids??? You lost me on this one. I had to Google Gen JR. Up here in the hills we mostly discuss Christ, NASCAR, fishing, hunting, college football and bear encounters. The most frequent question, how in the hell did BHO get elected? Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

However, alcohol is often a factor. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

OK, so according to the author this is a 'humanitarian crisis.' Fine, let's handle it like one. -Get the Navy Seebees and the Corp of Engineers to start building camps. -Split them up by age group and sex. We can't have all those hormonal teenagers doinking each other. We also can't have the adults preying on the younger ones. -National Guard provides security. All those guys owe two weeks a year anyways so let's put them to use. Bring them in on loan from other states. -Everyone gets a medical checkup and a blood test. Anyone with a communicable disease or otherwise ill goes into quarantine. -Everyone able-bodied and of working age gets a job in the camp. Working the cafeteria tents, cleaning showers, laundry, etc. If they have a skilled trade even better- they can help build the camps, do tailor work, run the school, etc. Everyone gets paid and it all goes into an account accessible at the camp to buy sundries, necessities, and other things to keep occupied. -Everyone gets a camp ID card. Records of their performance, ability, and disciplinary problems are kept and factored into the decision to kick them out. If they cause trouble they go on the next boat. There is no reason for ANY to be released into gen pop pending resolution of their case. Your plan seems workable to me. Do you think there is any chance we would actually implement it? I don't, it sounds too much like the Japanese interment of WWII. Governmental bureaucracy is very reluctant to take an old plan and improve it. We tend to create and develop a new and hopelessly complicated new plan. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Considering that the great majority of people on welfare are women with children (able-bodied men are not eligible), would your plan include requiring employers to provide day care and schools? Or would you require the children to pick cotton beside their mothers? Most food stamp recipients already have jobs. Here in Georgia most county employees, as well as a large segment of the workforce at Walmart, fast-food places, and such qualify for food stamps. Would you require them to quit those jobs so they could be available to pick cotton? I have no problem with requiring able-bodied unemployed people to show they are actively looking for work, or are in an appropriate training program to upgrade their marketable skills, as a condition of receiving benefits. How about we try this? 1. Fix the e-verify system. 2. Require all employers to verify the employability of anyone they hire. 3. Impose severe penalties for failing to verify the employability of job applicants before hiring them. This would remove the incentive for undocumented migrants to come here. It would also force US employers to actually compete for US workers, instead of depending on a vulnerable immigrant work force. Of course, that would mean they would have to pay competitive wages, and provide a working environment that would be acceptable to US workers. Are you prepared for a dramatic escalation of food prices? In 2011 Georgia enforced strict immigration rules. What happened? "...[In 2011]... the state passed HB 87 - a tough immigration law modeled after Arizona's HB 1070. As a result, many farmers complained they had issues finding the farm labor they needed after HB 87 passed. It seemed that migrant workers didn’t even bother looking for jobs in the Peach State, and farmers were already having a difficult time filling positions with laborers on guest worker visas because of their cost and paperwork. The farmers commissioned a study from the University of Georgia’s Center for Agribusiness and Economic Development to determine the extent of damage the shortage had done. The study examined seven staple Georgia crops, Vidalia onions included. The findings were shocking: 18 Vidalia-producing farms lost an estimated $16,312,345 and 835 jobs. In total, the seven crops studied lost almost $75 million and more than 5,200 jobs because of the labor shortage. " (

It appears that it is already a new form of slave trade. See my post #27. All of the these arguments skirt the issue which is the movement to reduce the United States' position as a hegemon in favor of liberal internationalism. This would create a one world government. Guess what follows next? Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

I assume you are aware that there is no legal mechanism by which the vast majority of these people can immigrate. Interesting system we have in place: we rely on such migrants to provide cheap labor, especially for agriculture and construction, yet we have no legal path for people in those occupations to obtain permanent residence (green card) or citizenship. There are really very few ways to legally immigrate to the US: 1. Family repatriation. If you have an immediate family member who is a US citizen, they can sponsor you to immigrate. If you aren't lucky enough to have a parent or sibling here, your options are: 2. You can be sponsored by an employer. Typically you would enter on a H visa, and after about five years they can sponsor you for a green card. During this whole time (minimally 6-7 years including processing time for the green card) you cannot change employer. Every step of the process costs thousands of dollars in fees. Employers do this only for "high value" employees, typically those with advanced degrees (PhD mostly) who bring specialized skills they have not been able to find in American workers. This is because the employers also have to pay thousands of dollars in fees. No-body does this for workers with expertise in picking grapes or plucking chickens. After another 5 years as a permanent resident you can apply to naturalize as a US citizen. The path to citizenship is long, expensive, and USCIS goes out of their way to treat you like shit the whole way. 3. In very exceptional circumstances you can apply directly for a green card under the "national interest" program. This is limited to people who can prove an international reputation for excellence in science, performing arts, or athletics. Basically, if you have a Nobel Prize in medicine you can bypass the requirement for an employer. Otherwise go to the back of the line. 4. If you are rich enough you can buy a green card. All you have to do is invest a minimum of $1,000,000 in a targeted enterprise in a low employment area of the country. Care to guess how many of the migrants showing up at the border have $1,000,000 to invest? 5. If you come from an eligible country (one with a low rate of immigration to the US in the last 5 years) you may be eligible to apply for the green card lottery. A total of 55,000 green cards are awarded by lottery. Citizens of Mexico, Columbia, El Salvador, Ecuador, the Dominican Republic, Haiti, and Jamaica, amongst others, are ineligible to apply. That excludes 95% of the migrants showing up at the border. Incidentally Canadians, mainland Chinese, and many other countries are also excluded. People say those migrants should get in line to come in through the front door, but no door exists for them. Don I wonder what would happen if we closed the borders and made agriculture or construction employment a requirement for welfare or food stamps? Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Fixed it for you. The truth is, one of the biggest reasons the border is not secure is because businesses want the cheap labor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States#Economic_incentives No argument there however, my comment was forum specific. I believe both factors are applicable. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

Follow the money. How do ACLU attorneys earn their fees? Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

And here are more reasons why we hold President George W. Bush in high regard and dear to our hearts. http://www.ijreview.com/2014/07/154222-15-classic-george-w-bush-moments/ BHO can't touch this. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

***whenever I hear Bush talk, all I hear is Charlie Brown's teacher. 41 days to go..... This one is GREAT, you said Bush should be brought up on charges for breaking privacy Obama has done X10!! Heres that wiretapping thing again, NSA much? How long has Obama been fighting that war you wanted to end? Wanna rethink this one? #1 whoah Why dont you bitch when obama is still over there? Currently sending more for "training" with an expected upgrade to combat action not ruled out (secretary stated that this week) Did you just wish he was killed? +1 Wow! Talk about schooling someone. Good work! Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

And yet you reply. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.