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From April: I finally found it... mentioned in a new video. Cooper was a "very sad man." Unfortunately, this was a 2003 telephone conversation between Tina and Jo Weber, not any document. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-YiekYN-xs The closest documentation I could find is August 10, 2011, post #24809 by Jo herself. I assume either Bill Rollins or Tim Collins may have repeated this phrase before, which would be where I originally heard about it. Although hearsay since Tina is now silent (unless Jo taped it), I still see the quote as a valid possibility that Tina really said that... and that Cooper was sad. I'm not sure how Jo thought it helped her angry husband Duane as a suspect. It would fit other suspects though, such as J Lakich, C Magee, B Dayton, J List.

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Most certainly he was on amphetamine since he offered benzedrine to the pilots. (Or was this another myth not mentioned in the 302s?) Anymore thoughts on how a narcotic would influence him?

Someone here had also mentioned the possibility that his grudge was against the insurance company for NWO... who actually reimbursed the airline. I doubt this, since you'd have to be a real insider to know such. This is similar to a grudge against the bank - which I'm sure didn't lose a dime. The Cooper case was essentially a bank robbery, except he likely didn't know which bank the money would come from. A grudge against the FBI was first proposed by Bill Rollins (regarding Joe Lakich). That may seem far out there, but if the FBI (also a good proxy for the Man or the system) had done you wrong, you might commit a crime that you'd be certain would automatically involve them, such as air piracy. We don't even know if Personal vs. General was a distinction to Cooper in his grudge. One can have a personal grudge, but blame the larger system for his issue. For example, Chris Magee was an adrenaline junkie who excelled at combat, but was a square peg outside the military. He found "no work that gave him meaning." He knew he could do things rare few others would even dare, and found few options in legitimate endeavors, so decided for criminality instead. Sad.

Here is another "suspect" (eliminated) who turned out to be an astronaut. Pages 416 and 417 of vault part 109:

Two points stand out that seem to contradict standard folklore about this case: Tina describes him as an "executive type", but didn't Flo instead describe him as a laborer? Most people telling the Cooper story describe him as desperate. I'm not doubting the veracity of this page. I just find fascinating these diametrically opposed views and how it epitomizes the case.

Is there another searchable source similar to Newspapers.com? These Reddit pages reference three more articles prior to 1971 with the phrase "negotiable American currency". Maybe the hyphenization of Amer-ican is an issue. ?

I like Georger's idea. Maybe regional ethnolinguistics can shed light on this phrase.

Hmm... and what suspect lived in Chicago most of his life?

I thought the PDX VORTAC navigation beacon was more south at Battle Ground.

When I first saw this years ago I thought it was a joke because it looked like the character Toby Flenderson on The Office (played by actor Paul Lieberstein). In one episode, Dwight fails to recognize the sketch of a predator is himself. Was that really supposed to be a sketch of Hahnemann?

3:30-5:05 Dan boarded first (consistent with boarding delay?) 6:40 seems to dispute Bill Mitchell sitting behind him (consistent though with Bruce's notes below) 17:58+ no idea he was highjacked?? until seeing a news chyron later Lots of details, but this is 53 years later. Do the 302s have an interview with him? There are many articles online about him. He denies ever speaking to the FBI again over the years. https://www.thedbcooperforum.com/db-cooper/clues-documents-and-evidence-about-the-case/6945/

Former FBI agent Larry Carr once stated something like how he could eliminate a suspect just by looking at him. Was he referring to the turkey neck feature described by eyewitness Bill Mitchell, or something else?

Sorry, I must have missed something. Who is this photo of? Willows? Is he a suspect?

Did Cooper wear Ray-Ban Wayfarer sunglasses? If not, do we have any idea what brand/style it likely was? Were they described as wrap-around? This probably has no evidentiary value and is unlikely to advance the case, but it just bugs me how images show such a variety... just another blurred detail of the vortex. I think one video showed McCoy as wearing mirrored sunglasses.

If you are referring to Joseph Henry Johnston or the Elsinor Ghost, it is uncertain if they ever put it all together with "ransom"... and Cooper couldn't easily read about them in a newspaper, like Cini. Cooper's main contribution to the idea was to choose a better plane than Paul Joseph Cini. Instead of standing on the shoulders of giants before him, Cooper saw past the stumbling bungler who failed. Unsure what is so hard to believe about that.

Please explain and/or cite sources.

OK, I'll bite. I know we are discussing opinions, but how could you possibly know with any certainty what did not influence Cooper? FWIW, I see the Cini event as just one in a series of potential ideas (bomb plane films, prominent bomb threats, parachute cartoons, etc.) leading up to Cooper's flight. Cini may have been a tipping point... being just 11 days before.

The real point about Lake Merwin is that Cooper didn't land there (probably no where near). Didn't someone report seeing a "parachute" on the lake, which turned out to be an overturned boat with an old man surviving many hours... on the very night of the hijacking?

Do we know what standard size bands were either used by the bank, or found at TBar? Do they match; are there multiple sizes; were the same size(s) used in tests by Tom K?

Most pages are still down... specifically the message boards. Pages like the Vault and About Us still work. Some pages get a 503 error, but most are just blank.

I don't know how Loren (and the FBI) would know that Cooper was in the lavatory for 45 minutes, but if this is correct, it could indicate the unsub having gastrointestinal issues. Chris Magee had colon cancer surgery in prison (and stomach cancer later)... just saying if you're looking for suspects.

This old video (audio) seems germane to the current discussions. It is full of one witness' details, although some second-hand, and years later (I assume). (6:18) sliced it open... put $250,000 in a black crew flight bag - handle, rope Cooper in Lav for 45 minutes Much would be easy to dismiss as BS... yet he is so specific on certain points. There is no way he counted all the money, but at the end he admits he counted the bundles (only)... maybe assuming all bundles were equal in number of packets/straps. If some bundles were smaller (less packets/straps), more bundles would give a higher total false impression. The flight bag having a handle does not seem match anything... but then again, established "facts" in the vortex seem to change as we see more puzzle pieces.

Did Norman Hayden describe his chute as an NB-6? Isn't the one Cooper rejected an NB-8? (Now in a museum.) Or didn't Hayden use these terms? According to Bruce Smith's site, Hayden claimed that both back chutes were "identical pioneers." If true, he may have meant identical by brand... but not necessarily by container/canopy size nor by color. Is this the only rigging card? Do we have images of the other card... that Cooper took out?

I thought NB6 was settled dogma in the Cooper Canon. I would watch such a video. Anything with the potential to clarify.