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It must just make people feel better. To be able to point the blame at someone I guess helps ease the pain. Bush and Blaire did not bring terrorism to the west. It has been here all along. There was terrorism before Iraq. There was terrorism before the USS Cole. There was terrorism before the IRA. Open your eyes.... ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

The UK was not a terrorist target before British troops took part in the invasion of Iraq. Since then, and particularly after the events in Spain, many Londoners, me included, though it was just a matter of time before we were targeted. And now we are. Here is some history for you of terrorist activities throughtout the world BEFORE 9/11. NO IRA BOMBINGS are included on this list But I am sure you would blame Blair and Bush for those if you could!! Again, please try to blame Bush and Blaire for all these attacks... Let me ask you this.. Which came first? Bush and Blaire or Muslim Extremist terrorism? September 5, 1972 Black September terrorists kidnap Israeli athletes in Munich during the Summer Olympics. All athletes are killed during a botched rescue attempt. April 11, 1974 A terrorist attack by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) at a Kiryat Shmona apartment in Israel results in 18 dead. May 15, 1974 The PFLP attacks a high school in Ma'alot, Israel leaving 26 dead and 66 wounded. September 8, 1974 TWA flight 841 explodes after takeoff killing 88. Air authorities later determine a bomb exploded on the plane. Suspicion for the attack lies with Abu Nidal. June 27, 1975 Air France flight 139 is hijacked by 8 PLO terrorists and flies to Uganda where they hold 103 passengers hostage. The Israeli's counter with what is now know as Operation Entebbe, where Israel's special forces conduct a raid of the Entebbe airport, rescuing 100 of the passengers. Three hostages and one Israeli soldier die in the rescue. November 4, 1979 Iranian radicals seize the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and take 66 Americans hostage. Thirteen are initially released but the other 53 remain hostage until their release on January 20, 1981. November 20, 1979 200 Islamic terrorists take control of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, taking hundreds of pilgrims hostage. Saudi and French forces retake the shrine after a deadly battle which results in more than 250 dead and 600 wounded. April 18, 1983 A suicide bomb attack by the Islamic Jihad on the United States Embassy in Beirut kills 63 and wounds another 120. September 23, 1983 Gulf Air flight 771 from Abu Dhabi, Saudia Arabia to Karachi, Pakistan crashes into the desert after a bomb in the baggage compartment explodes, killing 117. October 23, 1983 The Islamic Jihad sends two suicide truck bombers into the Marine Barracks and French Barracks in Beirut. The truck bomb crashing into the Marine barracks kills 241 while the French lose 58 in their attack. November 15, 1983 A U.S. Naval Officer is assassinated by the November 17 terrorist group in Athens, Greece. March 16, 1984 The Islamic Jihad kidnaps and kills U.S. Political Officer William Buckley in Beirut. June 14, 1985 TWA flight 847 from Athens to Rome is hijacked by Hezbollah terrorists. 153 are held hostage for seventeen days. One passenger, a United States Navy sailor is killed by the terrorists. November 23, 1985 Egypt Air flight 648 bound for Cairo from Athens is hijacked by the terrorist group Abu Nidal. Forced to land in Malta, Egyptian commandos storm the airplane and take control, leaving 60 dead. December 27, 1985 Two airport attacks on the same day by Abu Nidal terrorists leaves sixteen dead. 13 die in an attack at the Rome airport and three more die in the attack at the Vienna airport. April 2, 1986 Palestinian terrorists calling themselves the Arab Revolutionary Cells detonates a bomb on TWA flight 840 as it approaches the Athens airport, opening up a hole in the cabin and sucking out four United States citizens, including one infant. April 5, 1986 Libyan terrorists bomb a discotheque in Berlin, killing 3 U.S. servicemen and injuring 230 others. In response to this, the United States bombs Tripoli and Benghazi, attempting to kill the Libyan dictator Moammar al-Qadhafi. September 5, 1986 Pan Am flight 73 is hijacked by four Abu Nidal terrorists, 22 die in Karachi, Pakistan when the hijackers open fire on the passengers. December 26, 1987 A Barcelona bar known as a U.S. military hang out is bombed, killing one U.S. citizen. February 17, 1988 A U.S. Marine is kidnapped and killed by Hezbollah terrorists in Southern Lebanon. April 14, 1988 The Organization of Jihad Brigades explodes a car bomb at a USO club in Naples, Italy killing one U.S. sailor. December 21, 1988 Pan Am flight 103 is bombed by suspected Libyan terrorists and crashes in Lockerbie, Scotland killing 259 people. April 21, 1989 A U.S. Army Colonel is assassinated in Manila, Philippines by the New Peoples Army. September 19, 1989 UTA flight 772 blows up over the Sahara desert killing 170 people. Libya in 2003 acknowledges responsibility for the attack. February 26, 1993 A bomb explodes in the basement of the World Trade Center in New York, killing 6 and wounding more than a thousand. July 18, 1994 A Jewish center in Buenos Aires, Argentina is bombed by Hezbollah terrorists, killing 86 and wounding 300 December 24, 1994 An Air France flight is hijacked by the Armed Islamic Group (GIA) enroute to Algeria. All four terrorists were killed in the rescue attempt. November 13, 1995 A bomb planted by the Islamic Movement of Change explodes in a Riyadh, Saudi Arabia military compound, killing more than 40. November 19, 1995 A suicide bomber drives a truck into the Egyptian Embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan killing 16 and injuring 60. June 25, 1996 A fuel truck explodes outside the United States military's Khobar Towers building, killing 19 military personnel and wounding 515. February 23, 1997 A Palestinian gunman opens fire on tourists on an observation deck at the Empire State Building, killing one and wounding others. September 4, 1997 Three HAMAS suicide bombers detonate three bombs at the Ben Yehuda shopping mall in Jerusalem, killing 5 and wounding 200. November 12, 1997 Four U.S. businessmen are killed in Karachi, Pakistan by members of the Islamic Revolutionary Council. August 7, 1998 In near simultaneous explosions at U.S. Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, Al Qaeda terrorists kill 291 and wound 5,000 in Kenya and kill 10 and wound 77 in Tanzania. October 12, 2000 The U.S.S. Cole, a destroyer in the United States Navy, is rammed by a boat full of explosives in the harbor of Aden, Yemen. 17 sailors are killed and 39 more are injured. Al Qaeda is suspected. December 30, 2000 Across the street from the United States Embassy in Manila, a plaza is bombed injuring 9. The Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) is blamed. September 11, 2001 Three hijacked airliners are used as bombs and ram into the World Trade Center and Pentagon. A fourth hijacked airliner crashes in rural Pennsylvania when the passengers attempt to retake the plane. The attacks kill more than 3,000 people. Commonly referred to now as 9/11. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Retaliations for what? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Good point!! LOL ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Wait... where did Clinton and Bush come into this? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/shenzhou5_launch_031014.html ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

probably when they launched there first missile into space a few months back. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Based on the article that was an assesment by one person and NOT the policy of the Chinese Gov. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

well at least he is laughing and not typing...since he was banned ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

What's funny about you and all your posts are this.... You call everyone else niave to the truth and brainwashed by the government. When realistically, you are the niave one and are brainwashed by fanatical web-sites. You say we should conduct "our own investigation" Blaa, blaa, blaaa. By that do you mean going to the same "reliable sites" you visit. Do you know why you believe the things you do? Because you want to. You want to think everything is a consiracy. Just because you "DeathtoAmerica.com" website says something... doesn't mean it is true. But yo uwill have us believe that all the media outlet in the US are secretly run by the government right???? Am I right???? So, therefore, we are brainwashed, and your crazy sites have the "Real story" You are laughable my friend... Got a bridge I can sell you real cheap. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Whatever it takes would still cost far less than invading Iraq. It's a sad country that can't police its own borders. Hmmm.... You still didn't answer the question, but some how brought Iraq into it. I'll try again. What did you mean by "Border Controls"? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Then why do industries hire them? If they are not needed why does the agricultre sector hire such a huge amount of illegals. If our economy did not need them then there would be no work for them. Simple supply and demand. There is a demand for cheap unskilled labor and they supply it. 7% of Cali's GDP comes from illegal labor. Back when the study was done it was 63 billion dollars. What I said was that we don't NEED them. Industries hire them because they are cheaper. Not because they NEED them. You could do the work, you'd just cost more. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

John, please explain what you mean by "border controls" in your last post. Do you mean technology or troops... just curious? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Jen, I would take 10s of thousands over 10s of millions any day!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I smell a troll.... I wouldn't even bother with this guy.... ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

So what do these people bring to the economy? 33% of people in prison in the USA are illegal. The Center for Immigration Studies estimates that the average Mexican illegal alien costs U.S. taxpayers a whopping $55,000 each. So, does the average Illegal make over 55,000? No, that is what he cost you. So, let's do some simple math.... (10mil illegals x $55,000)/ 300mill US citizens = ~ 1,824 dollars per year. So, in some sense the average person pays 152 dollars every month to support illegals. And no, the economy does NOT need the illegal workers. Look at the research studies done by universities. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/infopays/rank/PNB1.html These data are 2 yrs old ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

GNP and I stand corrected... they are 8th. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Oh, and by the way.... Which country has the fifth richest economy in the world? (Hint- MEXICO). Mexico also has more resources per square mile than the U.S. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Without illegal aliens, the price of agricultural products and other goods and services will NOT soar. The definitive study on this subject is the University of Iowa's "How Much Is That Tomato?" The study concludes that 'since labor is such a small component of the end-price of agricultural products (which includes price to the growers, transportation costs, processing /storage costs, grocers' profit, etc.), using minimum wage workers instead of illegal aliens would increase prices of agricultural products by approximately 3 percent in the summer and 4 percent in the winter ... hardly the making of $10 heads of lettuce, $25 hamburgers, $1,000 per night Days Inn hotel rooms like the pro-illegal alien lobby claims. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Illegal aliens absolutely do not contribute more than they cost. Certainly the millions in prison and on welfare aren't contributing a dime to our economy, and the ones who are working often are paid in cash with no deductions for taxes at all. The ones who use fraudulent social security numbers and qualify to pay taxes and social security have so many deductions for dependents that they pay little if any taxes. We have seen them pay less than $100 in taxes and get back $4,000 refunds (thanks to earned income tax credits and multiple dependents). The Center for Immigration Studies estimates that the average Mexican illegal alien costs U.S. taxpayers a whopping $55,000 each. Some bargain, eh? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Illegal aliens are NOT necessarily coming here to work. Lou Dobbs recently reported that 33 percent of our prison population is now comprised of non-citizens. Plus, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are on welfare. So, for a good proportion of these people, the American dream is crime and welfare, not coming here to work. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

pure speculation..... How much would taxes go down? How much would health care go down? How much does it cost for the hundreds of thoughsand of illeagals in prison in the US for other crimes committed? Bring me some Numbers not speculation. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

We have helped Mexico financially in many ways.... At some point (in Iraq too) you need to wean them off of it. But I agree with you to ssome degree. Bush has failed this country when it comes to border control. He said Iraq posed a threat to national secureity (Which I believe it did), however, the border situation also poses a threat to national security, and need to be fixed. But, there is a large difference between FOX and SH ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

although, the Iraqi government has asked the US to stick around to help train troops. Once that happens they said we will be asked to leave. Seems to me the Government likes having the help around right now. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty