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I very highly disagree with this. In fact, I think the following is an excellent write up, that is fairly objective and bi-partisan. What is really sadly at risk is our honor in the whole believe in representative democracy: -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Trust me....you all do it too. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

I vote for leave it. I found the Memory Hole a year ago, when I had more time I did about a days worth of research and found it to be pretty similar to the moon landing claims. IE. trying to explain real life with arithmetic instead of calculus. For a simple counterpoint, did you see any piece that looked like a plane after they hit the towers? Nah... -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

The obligatory (although borderline jokes): You know you cannot skydive in the rain? Yeah? Yep, cause you fall on the pointy ends See that guy over there? AggieDave? Yeah, he falls like a safe with rounded corners covered in neoprene being ridden by 10 midgets To students: Just hold your breath, the oxygen is too thin. There is a POPS jumper. Let's just say his name is Kimbo. He loves to jump, has jumped since Christ was a mess cook. But his eyesight is not so good these days. So, one day hanging around the beer light, the other guys are telling him about a POPS member that just started jumping there, his name is Doc. He has freaking great eyesight for a POPS member. "You ought to jump with him, you would never get a bad spot!" Fuller, I mean Kimbo, likes this idea, so the next day he manifests with Doc. The are talking about the old days on the way to alttitude. 2 minute warning comes. Frap hats go on. Door! So, Doc sticks his head out, looking down to spot. Kimbo is all excited, "Alright, this old fart can see the ground." Doc pulls his head back in and looks around. Kimbo says "Where is the spot?!" Doc looks at him and goes, "I can't remember!" -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Wow...thank you mam

From what I know, which might not be much (and sorry to hijack your thread Rhino, although I did not mention Halliburton first), Halliburton out sourced a huge part of the contract anyway. To my knowledge there was no other company available to manage the entire thing. And by time it was all said and done, no wonder. Halliburton had to ask for a letter from the Army to justify the fuel prices because someone half a world away was playing activity based costing while grunts were waiting on fuel. There is a time to nit pick, there are other times to accept the cost of doing business. I believe this was one of the latter. Economically, I will agree with you that there is a chicken/egg issue with the progression from success to monopoly and the line is sometimes very hard to define. However, I think when people lives are on the line, trying an unknown to backhaul fuel across the arabian desert might be a bad idea. Even avoiding that point altogether, even during democrat administrations, Halliburton has been the defacto choice for this. It just so happens, Cheney and Bush used to work in the oil industry. Half the people south of the 40th have. If we ever need a condiment contract, I suspect Kerry may have connections, kind of goes without saying. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Note the response from the Bush staffer: For everyone running around talking about Bush as the ultimate person responsible fro everything from size 18 spandex to that shrinkwrap stuff on CDs, this is an exact example of someone even indirectly involved in indiscretion taking personal responsibility. We all makes mistakes, the 'aisle' simply seems to determine the manner in which they are reacted to. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

You mean, you mean, some very rich capitalist company in the oil industry has ties to Texas AND the money to do tasks no one else in the country does AND a lot of people know them as that? No way! I would call that success. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Don't feel bad. The other day I ran across a notepad from high school/college where I had collected romantic movie quotes. Yeah, yeah, I know it got veerd, try the hot pockets. I was a book worm. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

I jump with a buddy named Laing. Besides jumping, he does Industrial Rock, and among other things Ahnold impersonations. He built a whole verson of the Juicy Fruit commercial theme based on Ahnold's "Stick Around". The lyrics are hilarious, something about kill you when you pop it in your mouth. Wish I had a recording, aggie can attest. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Tom Scoggins: One night seems like a week. Preacher: Relativity. Tom Scoggins: What? Preacher: Einstein's theory of relativity. Put your hands on a hot pan, a second can seem like an hour. Grab hold of a hot woman, an hour can seem like a second, it's all relative. Tom Scoggins: You know, I spent four years at Cal Tech, and that's the best physics explanation I've ever heard. Deep Blue Sea -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

I think you are underestimating...the sneakiness. Tuturro, Mr. Deeds -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! Treasure of Sierra Madre. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Actually I just stated the conditions under which I would not have commented. In any case, I honor Bill's response as courtesy to my comments. I was impressed. I still think the whole issue is a source of disagreement, and honestly have nothing to add that will truly be productive. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Yes, I understand that. But the 'missing weapons' I thought they were not determined on the seal issue? -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

My hat tips to you, and I owe you a beer

Well, I am will not argue loudly, because honestly I am partially ignorant. I have nto had time to follow this. However, I thought I heard early on that the weapons in question did not have IAEA seals? -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

IF it is proven that the weapons were moved under our watch, then I believe the burden falls upon a field commander, if that is how you define troops. Hierarchical leadership is all about delegation, not micromanagement. Sometimes delegation falls, sometimes best efforts are not enough. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

The difference is this Bill: Democrats refers to plural Democrats. GOP literally equals Grand Ole Party. Used singularly it is denotes a party. Had you said republicans, I would not have said peep. Split hairs? Maybe, but the pen is mightier than the sword. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

And that video proves conclusively that it was 'those' weapons at 'that' site, out of the thousands in Iraq? Damn, I wish my freefly videos were that good, I could sell coaching for $$$ -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Kinda like a RW tandem physically cannot be misrouted, so if a packer misroutes a Strong tandem, it is Strong's fault? -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

In a stunning October surprise, the Kerry-Edwards campaign has given Dan Rather some documents signed by Noah, which prove that Ezekial Bush, an ancestor of George W. Bush (who has friends in the oil industry), was responsible for the 40 days and nights of rain which resulted in the Great Flood. The documents also show that Ararat Arks, a subsidiary of Halliburton, made excessive profits by building Noah's Ark on a no-bid contract. Because of these excess profits, the ark was built too small so the last two dragons, unicorns, and patriotic liberals, were left behind to drown. Dan Rather admitted that while the documents may be forgeries the facts aren't as important as the intent. Enraged environmentalists across the country have parked their Volvos and gone on hunger strikes, vowing to eat only Camembert cheese and tofu until John F. Kerry (who was awarded three Purple Hearts in Viet Nam) is elected President. CNN (the Clinton News Network) also ran a story showing that the Titanic and the Hindenburg had both been manufactured by subsidiaries of Halliburton. John Edwards immediately took time off from the campaign trail to file a class-action lawsuit against Halliburton, Dick Cheney, the city of Elmhurst, and all icebergs in the North Atlantic. Jesse Jackson was heard to react by saying "Their boat didn't float, and their blimp went limp." Michael Moore is producing a mockumentary showing that because of close family ties to Emperor Hirohito, George H. W. Bush had been personally informed in advance that Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked, thus giving him time to get the family yacht, named "Obscene Oil Profits", out of the harbor before the bombing began. Howard Dean's voice is being used to dub in the screams during the attack scenes in the movie. The Ninth Circus Court in California has just ruled that since citizenship status is not a constitutionally valid criteria for eligibility to vote, illegal aliens are to be allowed to vote one time for each different Social Security card that they have, provided that the addresses are different. They excepted families in which the parents and children all have the same last name as being too Americanized to be allowed this special non-citizen privilege. Senator Hillary Clinton immediately clarified that the ruling only applies to illegal aliens who are on welfare, and who vote for John F. Kerry (who was awarded three Purple Hearts in Viet Nam). Jimmy Carter announced that since only fraudulent voting practices could possibly elect George Bush (who has friends in the oil industry), he will invite France, North Korea, and Iran to oversee the nationwide vote re-count if John F. Kerry (who was awarded three Purple Hearts in Viet Nam) is not elected. Ralph Nader was allegedly seen last night wandering the streets of downtown Biloxi muttering "What about me? What about me? What about me?" Peter Jennings announced today that he has DNA evidence that Pontius Pilate was a direct ancestor of George W. Bush (who has friends in the oil industry). He also has papers showing that Dick Cheney still receives an annuity from the company that manufactured the nails used in the Crucifixion. John Kerry told a cheering crowd of morons that he had a plan to prevent future crucifixions of saviors, but that his plan was a secret. The anti-business wing of the democratic party praised his secret plan in the hopes that he would increase taxes on nail companies until they move to China. And last but not least, MoveOn.org has a story on its website which claims that the Republican Party, guided over the centuries by ancestors of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan, is in reality a secret society which has been working to undermine world equality by planning and creating the Great Plague, World War One, the Depression, the Holocaust, World War Two, the Korean War, the Vietnam War (in case you didn't know, John F. Kerry was awarded three Purple Hearts in Viet Nam), 9-11, the death of Lacy Peterson, Michael Jackson's face, AIDS, and the pending implosion of Social Security. Spontaneous demonstrations are planned for the weekend preceding the election. Charles Rangel and Nancy Pelosi have called for an independent investigation to be completed by Al Gore as soon as he gets back on his medications. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

So Guiliani = GOP?! I mean they do both have G's in them, but come on Bill. So, I guess I can take Teresa Kerry's words as DNC platform? You really should write headlines for the New York Times. Whatever happened to real issues, real journalism, and real accountability. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

Well....I can appreciate that the writer of the article feels that way. I however do not. That whole Halliburton thing was assinine. In the end, Halliburton even said screw this, it is not worth it. Delivering fuel in a combat zone is a bitch. I don't have time to dig up the articles yet again. Anyway my point was that I fail to see how the explosives reflect Bush. Even if I assume favoritism as you state it, I very seriously doubt that Bush made ay decisions about troop placements and their gaurd over said weapons personally. Don't you think that would be done by military personnel, with little link to Bush or Halliburton? Ask NacMac, he probably knows it all, he works for them, I bet they have white linen lunches everyday from all the money Cheney gave them. I already voted anyway...so... -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.

With everything at work this week, I really don't have time to follow this. BUT...real quickly: I fail to see how this is 'bad' for Bush any more then Abu Graib was bad for Rumsfeld. IF it turns out it occured after we were there, certainly the responsibility would be with a field commander? If a skydiver goes in do you investiage the DZO? or the head of the USPA? Just my opinion, it seems in our search for scapegoats in modern times, our scope of effective influence has been stretched to a ridiculous extent. -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI.