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Umm, wasn't there a recent thread about how much vodka and Jack you drink? (Not that it's any of my business, but now I'm curious about that.) Anyhow, it seems that the 12-step programs work really well for some people, do nothing for other people, and may even be harmful for some others. I guess the important thing is for each individual to find out what works for them. Yes, I drink. But I am no longer a drug addict. The programs didn't work for me. But that was many years ago. The system may have changed since then. I'm not putting them down. They've helped a lot of people.

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Am I missing something? I don't know of any AA or NA or CR groups that charge anything for their service. WHO is making money off people's quest for sobriety? Are you talking about LADCs or LPCs that work in a clinic??? I'm not sure how anyone is reading what I wrote to mean that AA or NA is charging anything. I was replying to Squeak, who was talking about others trying to make money from it (mostly in situations where they are trying to convince people not to attend 12-step programs). But yeah, even counselors or rehabs are making money off of other people's quest for sobriety. That doesn't mean that they're scammers though; everyone has to make a living. And people who are offering alternatives to 12-step programs are not necessarily scammers either. We live in a capitalist economy, so people have to make money, but when dealing with a problem such as addiction, that makes it difficult to tell who really wants to help and who just wants your money. And that is one of the good things about 12-step-groups (and other member-funded support groups) - that they are basically free, so the intention is not questionable. (Well, except that some people are convinced that 12-step groups are a big conspiracy to convert people to Christianity, but I don't buy that.) All the crap with rehabs and the 12-step program is exactly why I just curled up in bed for 3 weeks and kicked the habit myself. The programs made me feel like a piece of gutter trash. Then want to do drugs so I would feel better. It's a vicious cycle. That was 16/17 years ago and I've never looked back.

How about being a great grandfather by 55?I'll NEVER have any money. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.

Fuck no! But since YOU mentioned it, I double-dog-dare you to! As much trashy stuff as I've posted, I've never posted anything insulting toward the moderators. I'll post non-PC stuff to annoy them because sometimes their PC-ness annoys me, but I respect what they do so they're generally off limits. That being said... If the three wise men had been three wise moderators instead: * They would have immediately moved him to the Speakers Corner manger. * Billvon would have posted a dissertation on why immaculate conception is not possible--yet. * Of course the swoopers would'n't be impressed. "Big deal, so he walks on water. We swoooooooooooooooooooop over water!" Walt You guys are killing me today. Death by laughter. A good way to go.

I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.

They're winter solstice lights, not christmas lights, didn't ya know? Ask kallend. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.

Good one. The truth. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.

Gonna join Aggie Dave? I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.

Who knows sometimes its just kind of arbitrary Different mods... different reading compreshension skills Asking for it again? LOL I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.

I remember the majority. If I have really freaky one I wake up. I then force myself back to sleep to get the ending. Kinda like a movie. I love my sleep. Edit to add.> I dream in VIVID color. Who dreams in color or black and white? I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.

What about me? LOL. I asked for it and got it. That's two times now. I'll have plenty to catch up on in SC the 26th. I needed to finish painting the house anyway. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.

I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.

My ho. She's not nappy headed tho. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.

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But not before I say my heroes are NRA members! Walt I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.

Kinda like skydivers that hooked in.>"Jelly may well be thinking "One life down, eight to go!" I only have 5 left. Not all from skydiving tho. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.

Who is your hero? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madalyn_Murray_O'Hair She had some cahones for sure. And this lady is carrying on. http://www.atheists.org/welcome.html I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.

I just turned 50. Two of my co-workers have someting in common. Same docs finger up their ass. No thanks. I'll wait for non- evasive stuff. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.

More like X or GHB. Sad. Can't we just have some GOOD cocaine?

choice between otter, caravan and CASA ....CASA everytime! Fuckin A. Caterpiller outta the CASA. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.

Man I wish I could have met Lee. I just laughed to tears w/ that story. My kinda guy. BSBD Lee. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.

Wish I had one this am. Spent an hr. in traffic in the L.A. area. Went 2 miles. Turned around and went home. Screw work. Now. 10 mile range in 45 secs.? Like 800 mph? Can't be right. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.

I just got 3500 for a 2002 no aad sabre 2 135 pdr126 0 jumps. Took awhile tho. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.

Oh it sticks...it's just that ya can use a cold chisel to get it off, without doin' any damage! Not if it is seasoned properly and cleaned properly.Tips>http://www.kitchenemporium.com/info/castiron.htmlEdit to add. They hurt like hell whe the ole lady wacks ya w/ one. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all.