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China will no doubt pass the USA in many more things. China isnt fighting a useless war that they cannot win, like the USA. China is seeling everything they make ( good or bad) at you local Walmart Stores across the USA. What is the USA manufacturing and selling throughout China?

Cine22 : Thanks for your appreciation. It was a very hard two or three weeks back in Aug-Sept 1967. I had spent a lot of time on the ground ( using dynamite to take down a big tree at the end of the runway ) and also in the air with these guys. I drove from Toronto every Friday , jumped until sonetime Monday and then went back home, doing most of my "work" as a Union Special Business Rep over the telephone enroute. We sure had great weekends, and the last jumps I made with a bunch of those guys was exactly 2 weeks to the day before the fatal jump. Then to add more insult to the misery, we lost a 16 yr old lad one week after the Lake Erie event. His name was Paul Camelford, and he had told his parents that he knew I was coming to Parkman on the first weekend in Sept. He came to me and asked if he did one more stable jump, would I go up with him and take pictures of him. He also asked me to sign his last jumps in his logbook, made on Saturday, and what one would use for a heading, and how to make slow turns to a heading. I agreed to the picture jump, and told him how to turn onto a heading, like a road or treeline. About 7:30 to 8;00 am next morning, he went up for his first jump on the Sunday , Dale was pilot, and said Paul had exited the aircraft over Mumford Rd. He made a small right correction, and held his heading until impact. We found his body about 2 hours later. No attempt was made to use any chute. I guess he was just mezmerized. Really a loss...a fine young lad, and coming one week after the Lake Erie drop, everyone couldnt believe this could happen.....but it did. We visited his funeral parlour that weekend before returning to Toronto. Thanks again Cine22, Bill Cole

This ionformation was published shortly after the war started, but was quickly swept aside because of the damage it could do to the goverment. It was in one of the NYC papers or a NYC magazine. Sorry but I can't give you the name of it, but it has always been a sore sport with me, and I have never forgotten it. I wonder if it is happening now in the other war you cannot win in Afghanistan.

The American government has deceived the American public in their claims about the number of dead US soldiers in the Iraq War. It is a fact, that any soldier who was badly wounded in Iraq and sent to the US hospital in Germany, and consequently died at that hospital, was NOT included in the total number of US Dead of that war. The only numbers of dead US soldiers revealed to the public were those who actually died in Iraq.....those who died later at another location were never claimed as U.S. dead. It sure would be interesting to know the " REAL " number of US personnel who gave their lives for Bush and Cheny in Iraq, Isnt it nice to know your government is so dishonest....but of course, you knew that for years now...didnt you.

There is a lot more truth to what you've said than you could possibly know......the future is indeed bleak.

What would you expect from people with no morals ??????? They think these actions are clever, and it makes them standout in the crowd. It makes them stand out alright, but not in a decent manner.

NOOOOOO . Its someone doing something that is wrong, and making a fool of the sport at the same time.

Seventh Day Adventists are the only ones who obey the Commandment of God : Remember the Sabbath Day : to keep it holy. Those churches who fail to do so, are being disobedient to God on one of two commandments, that are generally referred to as the " Test Commandments". Most churches today are disobedient to God in many ways...especially the Catholic Church and the Mormons. As much as they deny it, the Catholic Church worships images , statues, crosses, and anything considered a relic of someone who died. They pray to people who are still in their grave including the Popes, who will need all the help they can get on judgment day. They ask their deceased reelatives to talk to God on their behalf...what paganism. No one but Jesus Christ is able to speak to God on anyone's behalf.

My entire religion is that which God ordained... Since you obviously don't know anything about it ( or anything else for that matter) why don't you keep your uneducated views to yourself.

Andy908: After the sixth day of creation, God rested on the SEVENTH DAY, and blessed it and sanctified it as HIS SABBATH DAY. It is the only day from which one can look back at the great creation, and view God's handiwork in all that He created in the six days of creation. You cannot do that from any day except the seventh day. Now if you listen to such as Billvon, then you will easily be lead astray, because his calendars all have Saturday as the seventh day, a perfect example of how mankind has taken the things of God and re-arranged them to suit man. Similarly, mankind has taken God's " day " which is EVENING and MORNING, and re-arranged it to be Morning and EVENING. The day according to God's plan, begins at what we know as NOON. There is nothing that will confuse mankind quicker than to establish a susbstitute for what God had ordained. Even the newer Bibles are a sign of Satanic influence, trying to re-write the Holy WORD of God, to suit man's objectives. These re-write versions are nothing but perversions. God was certainly able to create this entire world and everything in it, and He also is quite capable of writing a single book with His perfection and Divine Guidance through His Holy Spirit and He didnt need men to correct the mistakes He never made. And the Lord God spake unto Moses,saying: Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily MY SABBATHS ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you, throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you. Exodus 31:13 . Read the continuing verses to verse 18, and see how God uses the seventh day, His Sabbath Day, as a sign between God and the children of Israel for ever., wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe as a perpetual covenant. A PERPETUAL COVENANT....totally binding, unbreakable by God, but like mankind, anything is breakable. Man's word is never truth....God's WORD is always TRUTH. There was a Jewish king, Jeroboam, who changed it from the seventh day to the first, in honour of the pagan sun god, and sun worship. As I stated, ONLY the 7th Day points back to te six days of creation, NOT Sunday, the first day of the week. No other day is a memorial to the preceeding days of creation, and a reminder of who it was that created the world and everything in it. Satan has deluded the world into supposing that Christ was resurrected on a Sunday morning at sunrise, the very time of pagan sun worship, but it is a false doctrine, and not of God. _______________________ Now let me throw another subject into this discussion that may shock some ( if not all ) of you. I suppose you have heard of the 10 lost tribes of Israel. Well, just so you know, all Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews. The only tribes of Israel that are Jews are the tribes of Benjamin, Levi and Judah , the last one is where the name JEW came from. The ten lost tribes of Israel were originally taken caprtive/slaves, by the Assyrians, and after a lengthy time, they wandered further north and west. The two most important tribes were those of Ephriam and Manasseh, the two sons of Joseph who had ruled in Egypt in the last days of Jacob's lifetime. As the tribes of Ephriam and Manasseh, their tribes ( as well as other Israeli tribes) ended up populating places like Turkey, then further north to Poland, Germany, Holland, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, and later, across the English channel to Ireland, then to Scotland, and then finally to England. By this time, they had lost their Israeli heritage, and thought of themselves as Gentile. Later, the tribe of Manasseh left England, and sailed for the shores of New England and landed at Plymouth Rock., and the exploration of North America really got serious ( with God's help). Even as late as the War of 1812, England and the USA ( Ephriam and Manasseh) were at war with each other, which helped spur on the extablishment of America that began in 1776. The main stock of the United States of America, is the tribe of Manasseh ( Israeli), and although many other people have drifted into the " melting pot" America is generally speaking, the Israeli tribe of Manasseh. God had blessed America and Britain more than any other nation in history, but now, after rejecting God, thinking America is in charge of this world, you are about to get a real lesson to the contrary. This will also explain to those who may doubt it, why England and the United States of America are so close...they are brothers through the blood lines of Joseph, son of Jacob ( Israel was his later name) who was the son of Issac, who was the son of Abraham. This should also help explain to you why America and England have a very tight bond with Israel of today, and they defend Israel at every opportunity. However, one last thing yet to come of this, Read Isaiah 9;21.....where it says the bond between America/Britain and Israel will break, and that in the not too distant future. However, as I said before, the days of the United States and Britain are numbered, and they will fall. Both nations are a pit of evil and indecency, promoting their faggot parades, same sex marriage, and every abomination imaginable. They have thrown God out of the schools, the Government buildings, the Supreme Court decisions, and then they wonder why God's rage comes at them in the form of God made floods, Tsunamis, forest and brush fires, tornadoes,drought , hailstorms, avalanches, and all other terrible things. The worst is yet to come: plagues, pestilence for which there is no cures. Read what God brought on the Pharaoh of Egypt, and the world will get much worse than Egypt received. Water becomes blood...undrinkable, plagues of frogs, lice,, flies,the death of the Egyptian cattle, and the firstborn of all things including people, locusts, and a plague of inky black darkness, Be sure to worship God on His Sabbath.....Saturday, not Sunday, and Billvon...perhaps you should get a new calendar and a new mentality. Bill Cole ___________________________ To wonder if Saturday is the first or last day, is like asking of a red crayon is really blue....or perhaps green, and someone got the colors wrong away back when. Sunday was named after the sun, and pagan sun worship, and has no place being used to reflect the creation of Almighty God. This is man's doing, under Satan's influence. Argue it if you wish, but it plainly shows who it is you serve as your God.

There is so much evidence that the Sabbath Day is the seventh day of the week , you would have to be blind not to find it. God created the world in six days, and he rested on the seventh day, which is HIS SABBATH. I will send you an email with other more clear references....right now I am in a ru8sh....have to pick my granddaughter up from school. Bill

The seventh day is God's Sabbath. There is no other day acceptable in the sight of God. Anyone who thinks there is, is being deceived by Satan, and will suffer the consequences for allowing himself / herself to be deceived in these end times. Bible Institutes and colleges take a stand according to what some person has directed them to, and are unable to think for themselves. Read the Scriptures, and look at what God says, He has the final say, not some guy who just "thinks" he knows everything and is misleading people to believe a lie. Satan is at work in the world, and if you think not, you are believing a delusion.

That is correct, and a dropzone where other people than jumpers, are around, especially children, it would be totally insensitive and wrong to jump nude. If you are so wrapped up in your body, you can stand in front of a mirror and admire yourself, but others shouldnt be forced to admire or cringe at the sight of you being nude. Take that smarten up pill,. and stay dressed in front of others in a public forum.

There is nothing indecent about jumping without a chute. There is certainly something indecent jumping without clothes. If you can't tell the difference, you need a smarten up pill.

The Lord's Sabbath is the seventh day of the week. There is NO optional day to the believer. Where did you ever get such a notion? By your standard, you would say there is more than one way to get into the Kingdom of God. There is only ONE way, and that is through Jesus Christ. For all those who think they can circumvent that way, by believeing in Buddha, Allah, or any of the other false gods, they are in for a big surprise. Jesus is the ONLY way, like it or not, and there is ONLY ONE Sabbath ....and God refers to it as " MY Sabbaths". The seventh day of the week.

NOOOOOO Its all about stupid people doing stupid things within the sport, making a fool of themselves AND the sport. Strictly a no brainer.....by no brain people.

WELL....IT IS A SIN......

This is one of a few things that separates this sport from all others....disgraceful sheer stupidity.

Howard: The plane when used for the drop which ended up in Lake Erie was owned by Bob Karns, who later flew me on my first chuteless jump in a Twin Beech aircraft. Bob was a terrific guy, and he was suspended from flying for 1 year by the FAA, but he kept on flying with a student ( but qualified pilot ) beside him in any aircraft he used. Bob was later killed in a flying accident at Detroit airport. I spoke with Bob Coy just after the jump, and he did in fact lay on his helmet for floatation. Al Johnson was the guy who a boat drove around, and then took off.It was suggested that he was either smuggling from the USA to Canada or he was out with some other guys wife. Years later ( about the late 1980s), someone found a Para Commander which had over the years been torn to shreds, which had washed up on the Lake Erie shoreline. Someone said it had belonged to Lyle Boyer. His canopy was red and white, and I had taken 16mm color film of his opening at the parkman DZ., two weeks to the day , before the Lake Erie jump on Aug 27th .

I had heard the names mentioned, and dont recall them after all the time that has passed. I have newspaper accounts of the whole event, and I believe the names of those who were bounced is in the newspaper articles. I'll have to look them up to see who they were. Thanks for the tip. Bill

Regarding the GORE post about the guys from Cincinnati....but they were not involved with the Lake Erie tragedy in 1967. I know the names of every person on that flight, and knew and jumped with all but two of them personally, and the guys listed in that GORE post were not there. Bill Cole

It is nice to know that those guys will continue to be remembered. It would be 43 years this August 27th that the jump took place. Those guys would all be in their 70s by now, like me at 77+. I had photos at one time of the B-25 as it was overloaded with jumpers and they had to kick about 4 guys off so the nose wheel would be on the tarmac. I have no idea who got bounced off the load, but if they are still alive, it shows how fate deals the hand for each of us. Bill aka Chuteless

You know you're a Canadian skydiver when CSPA runs out of lifetime groundings and doesnt know what else to give you.

Ive broken my tailbone 3 times, and only time allows it to heal. You have to learn to walk in slow motion for awhile. Once the day aftert I broke it, my brother and a few guys and I were tresspassing on a private Golf Course...something to do on a Sunday afternoon. A foursome teed off towards us, and my brother picked up one of their golf balls, and threww it into the woods. Then the guys all took off running....I could hardly walk, so I just stood there waiting for the golfers to get me. That took a minute or so at their fastest running speed. I gave them some false names, addresses etc, and they asked me why I didnt run like the others. I explained, and I gues they felt sorry for me and let me go....but they sure hated my brother. Lesson: Don't go on a private Gold course with a broken tailbone. Bill Cole ( aka chuteless)

Sangiro: My sincere thanks for correcting this name game thing. Bill Cole D-41 aka Chuteless