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Maybe Cooper realized the money was basically too dangerous to spend once he found out through news outlets? Or came to his senses the bills serial numbers were probably recorded and merchants/banks were on the lookout. If Cooper was smart what did he plan to do with the money knowing the bills would be hot potatoes if he tried to spend, deposit or launder the money.

I wonder if the first and last serial numbers found in the banded packets At Tina bar were correct.

Tina or Tena?

Ok, she jokingly asked for the money after saying there is alot of cash in the bag per Geoffery Gray book "Skyjack". Cooper hands her a "stack of bills" anyways per the book. He wants her to have it. She says we do not accept tips

Was Tina offered about the same amount of money as found at "Tina Bar". Tina who served Cooper liquor? I know it is known as "Tena" now, but it seems I read somewhere the beach was known as "Tina bar" back in 1971 or before. Any info? No. 1 Song below was "Shaft" from the week DB Cooper hijacked the plane. I can see this playing in his head as he hijacked the plane.

Bill Williams might be a good resource to show your pictures to. He has recently broke his silence, November 2019, and is apparently responding to people who send him pictures. He is shown holding sketch of Cooper and William J Smith. https://komonews.com/news/local/man-closest-to-db-cooper-boeing-aircraft-hijacking-mystery-breaks-silence

Why the Cooper Forum was closed a few years ago. Why the Cooper Forum was closed a few years ago. Why the Cooper Forum was closed a few years ago.

Good eye. I did not notice that. From Google.... "On June 26, 1974, the first product with a bar code was scanned at a check-out counter. It was a 10-pack of Wrigley's Juicy Fruit chewing gum." Below is a 1971 Raleigh Mag Ad and most likely the pack Cooper had I would think....Even though the soft pack on left does not read "Kings" the Ad infers it...

This could be the type of Raleigh Cigarette pack the cigarettes came from.....correct me if wrong.... Note: from Jan 1, 1966 to Oct. 31 1970 the warning was "CAUTION: CIGARETTE SMOKING MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH. https://www.rjrt.com/tobacco-use-health/public-health-information/ Then from Nov. 1 1970 to 1985 rotating warnings were used. "Cigarette smoke contains carbon monoxide" was one of them as found on the below pack. http://cigarettecollector.net/2016/05/25/raleigh-filter-kings-with-coupon-vintage-american-cigarette-pack/ About this pack: Brand Name: Raleigh Length: 85mm Size: 20 Type: soft pack Filter/Menthol/Regular: filter Notice: Surgeon General’s Warning: Cigarette smoke contains carbon monoxide. Full/Partial/Empty: full Manufacturer: Brown & Williamson Tobacco Corporation, Louisville, KY Tax stamp(s): Maryland This pack is for collecting, not smoking. But you still have to be 18 years old to purchase.

A coincidental thought about McCoy... McCoy was born in Kinston North Carolina (tobacco country) and grew up in nearby Cove City NC, both in eastern NC, about 1.5 hour drive to Raleigh, NC the Capitol. Cooper Smoked cheap Raleigh Cigarettes on the plane. Raleigh, NC and Raleigh Cigarettes named after Sir Walter Raleigh. RJ Reynolds, the maker of Raleigh Cigarettes is based in Winston Salem, NC. Sir Walter Raleigh tried to establish the first colony in North Carolina which unfortunately became known as the Lost Colony. The FBI had potentially the best Cooper evidence left on the plane that became known as the lost Raleigh cigarette butts. FWIW Butts lost in Las Vegas field Office article, 2017....quote below.. "the saliva buried within the fibers of the eight Raleigh filter-tipped king-size cigarette butts is the best chance we, and the FBI, have to determine who Cooper was. Memo to the bureau: we need to find those butts." https://www.thedailybeast.com/db-cooper-fbi-lost-key-evidence-that-could-identify-thief

If I remember correctly. Tina described Cooper as having olive skin and maybe of hispanic origins. I can see that in the angled view especially the views with a prominent nose. I can also see him as having Mediterranean ancestry or even of darker skin German origin. He could have a western European look also and skin color. If Cooper was from overseas and went back after the jump, the case would have been much harder to solve.

Here you go...

Here are some 3d Models of Cooper based on sketch. He seems to have a very distinctive face and that is maybe why Tina seems to have a very good remembrance of what he looked like.

"During refueling, Cooper outlined his flight plan to the cockpit crew: a southeast course toward Mexico City at the minimum airspeed possible without stalling the aircraft – approximately 100 knots (185 km/h; 115 mph) – at a maximum 10,000-foot (3,000 m) altitude." The wiki reads the plane could have flow at 115 mph without stalling. Maybe ice on the plane prevented that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._B._Cooper

It was 46 degrees on the ground in Portland, Oregon at 8pm on November 24, 1971. Wind blowing from the SouthEast at 5 MPH. Zero precipitation. Portland is about 35 miles south of the Merwin damn. Cooper specified the plane to fly no higher than 10,000 feet and at 115 MPH before he jumped. It seems to me that if Cooper could have survived the freezing weather at 10K feet and got the chute to open and survived the snap back of the chute opening in that environment he would have a good chance of survival on the ground. The low temp going into November 25th was 43 degrees with a high of 47 degrees on November 25th. https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/us/or/portland/KPDX/date/1971-11-24

Well I guess that is better than nothing. The saying “we always get our man” is the Canadian Mounties saying.....I mistakenly thought it was the FBI.

I'm just saying it would be nice to have some LE out there to still take in tips and work the case. Logically, the U.S. Marshals would be one LE high on the list. The FBI could make it easier for everyone if they were to computerize the copies of released and not released documents into a text searchable database/format. (like many newspapers have done) They could contract a couple of good typists (with security clearance) to enter the thousands of pages (bad quality...beyond OCR technology) into a text searchable and organized database. Probably worth more than what they use to do by paying high price agents to go on wild goose chases. Then the armchair researcher can search the released documents more efficiently and any LE (with permission) that is wanting to access the non-released documents can search more efficiently. I use to scan through miles of newspaper microfilm rolls for information. WHAT A PAIN. Now most newspapers are text searchable and online WHAT A JOY! A real time saver!

I notice the U.S. Marshall’s adopted the Alcatraz escape case from the FBI in 1979. Seventeen years after The 1962 escape. The U.S. Marshall’s will pursue a case until the person(s) are arrested, positively determined deceased or reach the age of 99. US Marshall’s are Still actively working tips and the Case in general for at least another 9 years based on their age criteria. Frank Morris was born in 1926 is 94 and the Anglin brothers are about 90. DB Cooper case is orphaned and needs adoption. No positive age on Cooper could be a hang up. I do not know about their case adoption procedures or if The Cooper case would meet their criteria. https://www.usmarshals.gov/news/chron/2012/060712a.htm

I agree that is a good place to start for those of us with limited resources and access to released reports the FBI spoon feeds the arm chair detectives. It is a one way street with LE and they will tell you. I heard your name mentioned several times in the Anonymous Analyst podcast. Seems like you read every 302 that comes out. I think that is great as you probably catch nuggets the FBI misses such at the country store break-in.

The parking spaces look dirtier than the chute. No way to treat evidence. On another topic... i was thinking why the NB6 parachute I have does not have a ripcord. One obvious reason is that it cannot be used without one. I did some googling. https://parachutehistory.com/darwin/cablestops.html Wouldn't you know it... sometimes people let go of the ripcord after pulling. It went sailing off into the wild blue yonder, plummeting towards earth, finding a new home amongst the tumbleweeds. A brilliant jumper decided to put a stop on the ripcord cable. The stop prevented the entire cable from clearing the housing - even if you dropped the ripcord handle. Ripcord stops became somewhat popular in the 1960’s with Rec. jumpers but eventually were banned due to fatalities and complications. i wonder if Cossey used any ripcord stops on his chutes? I guess the right type of ripcord found in the drop zone area might be useful to narrowing down the area he landed or fell.

Thanks for the link to the podcast. Kinda boring so far. Do you know if there is a sideview/profile sketch of DB Cooper? If memory serves correctly, Mucklow spent many hours sitting next to him. Be nice if Mucklow could point out a real person that looks just like DB Cooper (maybe someone dead (permission from family) with several pictures for reference and even a video) to use as a reference for finding the real DB Cooper. Sketches are very limited when compared to a photographs. One can also use a photograph of a person and mask it over 3d computer model mesh.

Did anything come of suspect William J. Smith put forth by a mysterious anonymous analyst in 2018? https://www.oregonlive.com/news/erry-2018/11/e18eba2aa14557/new-suspect-in-db-cooper-skyja.html

Yea, I have seen this 26 foot information. Could he be talking about the length and not the diameter? Shortly after the hijacking the FBI documented (as shown in a post by Flyjack) that Cossey said the parachute was Twenty Eight Foot and white. Whatever the truth is. Cossey seemed like a type of wise-guy prankster (somewhat shady) and did not take the request for parachutes as seriously as he should have. Hijacker with bomb on plane saying no funny business?? I do not know if I want someone like Cossey packing a parachute for me. Why didn't the FBI request parachutes from the Military? Would have went much smoother and better documented.

From my limited research it appears that most of the NB6 containers canopies supplied to the military were multi-color. I've also read at several sites on the internet it was common practice to cut the parachute cords from the container before selling for salvage. Although it appears you can still buy complete NB6 containers and canopies with military packing cards at Ebay. The below one is a 1963 (est.) Pioneer NB6. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-US-Navy-NB-6-Parachute-Vietnam-Era-Still-Packed-with-Record-Card-USN-/323777041981?hash=item4b629d963d%3Ag%3A5eYAAOSwlY1ZIzoA&nma=true&si=jlTk9sHK4DSCvXhxbfqP5Nr36GY%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 The one sold at Ebay was manufactured about 1963 (packing card) it appears and the serial number is 87404. The serial number on my Pioneer NB6 is 187204 and was manufactured in 1968. If the Serial Numbers are sequential then Pioneer manufactured 99804 (close to 100 thousand) NB6's between 1963 and 1968. During the height of the Vietnam war. If Cossey was using a NB6 container where the cords had been cut to the original canopy he might have replaced with a white canopy. I read that he had to stuff the 28 foot canopy into the container. The original Canopy was also 28 foot in diameter. So maybe the 28 foot canopy he "stuffed" into the container had a deeper concave to it because there was more material to pack. The pictures of the supposive DB Cooper canopies I've seen on the internet do look to have more of a concave WW2 profile than the C-9 type canopies. Bruce Smith interview with Cossey regarding "stuffed"... "When I asked for a clarification on the story that he had stuffed a 28-foot canopy into an NB-6 rather than the larger NB-8 sack, he told me the stuffing story was “pretty much accurate.” He later said that the tightly-packed rig was another reason why this chute – that Cooper allegedly used – was a hard pull."

Not a personal attack... I think there are some people on this board and on shutter's board that are making claims that border on fantasy. Rare coincidences are all too common. Here is an example... I was interested in the DB Cooper case. Then I find a recently discarded NB6 parachute at the landfill. The NB6 container is soiled and covered with red dirt. Red dirt like you find in Oregon. The ripcord is missing. It is the right age, pre-1971 manufactured. The parachute had not been deployed. Ok this is Cooper's parachute. He pulled the ripcord, it did not open properly and he hit the ground. All the boxes are checked. Upon further non-bias observation.... First of all I live on the East coast, not a plus. There is red dirt where I live. Yes it is a NB6 sage green container but the parachute is not white as Cossey describes. The parachute has white in it and if I did not open the container all the way I would think the parachute was white because the pilot chute is what you see first peeking in the container. In actuality, the parachute main canopy is a multi-color C-9 type 28 foot chute. Looking at what eliminates my parachute leads me to believe that this is 100 percent not DB Cooper's parachute. I wonder how many thousands of NB6 container type back packs were made pre-1971? What are the chances of being interested in the DB Cooper case and finding a NB6 at the landfill? Rare coincidences are all too common. BTW....When i found the Parachute (it did not have a rip cord to hold it close) the elastic bands with hooks use to make the Container doors open quickly when the rip cord is pulled were actually pulled across to the opposite door to keep the container closed. If Cossey was up to shenanigans and wanted DB Cooper to die he could have have pulled the elastic bands all the over to to the opposite container door to prevent the container doors from opening and pulling the ripcord would have done nothing to deploy the chute.