olofscience
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The part where you were dishonest about it.
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Sure, just let the Chinese develop it so that when the west jumps in, it will be too late. Didn't know you were so pro-Xi, comrade.
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"Estimates of the temperature of the Northern Hemisphere more broadly during the Roman Warm Period put average temperatures more around the average temperature of the period between 1960-1990 (e.g., Ljungqvist 2010), so significantly warmer than the periods before and after it, but still cooler than today and less consistently warm than the last few decades (e.g., Luterbacher et al, 2016)." Then we have: "Not even going to break the top five" - Brenthutch, early 2023
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And to add to this, if western car companies decide not to do EVs, guess who's going to be unopposed in taking over the EV market: China.
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They do. Never said they didn't.
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I think it's already being earned - again, not everyone like you does 1000+ mile road trips. Delivery vans which do mostly city driving (stop-start), municipal buses, short range work vehicles have a huge advantage going EV. More than 90 percent of commutes are under 30 miles. Big places like Canada and the USA might not be ideal yet, but in Europe - especially Norway where 80% of new sales are EVs I'd say is prime time already. Government incentives only make the momentum faster, and we need it - 2023 just broke all records as the hottest year in history. So what happened when RCA dismissed transistors? A small company started making tiny, cheap transistor radios with marginal quality and gradually learned how to improve them. The name of that small company? Sony.
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The first steam ships were much slower than the sailing ships of the day. They were only good for riverboats. The Brents of the day believed that sailing ships would never be replaced with anything better. The first hydraulic shovels had much smaller capacity than cable-actuated shovels. Guess which one dominates the market now. The first transistors could handle only a tiny fraction of the power that the best vacuum tubes could. RCA was like Brent - they kept betting on vacuum tubes, until it was too late. The car companies probably learned from the examples above...I would have thought it's covered in the typical MBA curriculum.
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Funny how Nature, or the IEA wasn't good enough for you, except when you're the one quoting. Unlike you, nobody here ever said Bloomberg wasn't a legitimate source. In this case, however, you missed out on context - the report Bloomberg quotes from Cox Automotive actually has a different title: A Record 1.2 Million EVs Were Sold in the U.S. in 2023, According to Estimates from Kelley Blue Book The final sentence of that article: "Regardless, the Cox Automotive Industry Insights team is forecasting more growth in the EV market. The momentum is there and is not going away."
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"2023 wouldn't even make it to the top five" - Brent
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If it reduces the cost and maintenance, why not drive it backwards at low speeds? That's just a controller issue. With profit margins being decimated in a price war, car manufacturers will want to find any cost savings they can get. What is more likely keeping them there are things like ABS not being implemented in regen brakes at the moment due to speed/response times/etc, and regulatory requirements for that, and reliability/redundancy.
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Right now EVs and hybrids have both regenerative braking and friction brakes, doubling the complexity and increasing maintenance costs. I wonder when reliability of regenerative braking will get high enough that some manufacturers will drop friction brakes entirely. With some EVs they actually have to program the friction brakes to engage more frequently than actually needed (for stopping), otherwise the brake discs would rust.
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Brent's stuck on repeat again, could someone please turn him off then on again?
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Brent will keep predicting the death of EVs as the last ICEs go out of production, and keep declaring his "facts". By all measures at the time, the earliest steam ships were crap - they were slow, unreliable, and handled poorly. They were only suitable for river operations. Interesting thing to note is, not a single company who made sailing ships in the 1800s managed to make the transition to steam ships at the turn of the century, and most went bankrupt. Now they're a very small niche (for cargo, anyway).
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Oh yeah - dealerships don't like EVs. That's because there's fewer parts to wear out and replace, and service is a big part of those dealerships' revenue. Now the dealers are trying to put a big markup on sticker prices, but car companies are now looking at bypassing the middleman and selling direct to consumer, like Ford. Tesla never had to sell through dealers, which is why they have the highest profit margins in the industry.
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Do you have this ready to cut and paste? Anyway, billvon's point is actually valid - a growing list of car manufacturers have announced they will become electric-only, several countries Europe and UK have announced planned dates for banning all new ICE vehicles. Almost no new R&D is being done on ICE vehicles. They won't go extinct, but it's ICE vehicles that will become niche, rather than the EVs. Horses didn't become extinct when cars took over, but these days getting horse tack is more of a specialist market.
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That's...exactly the same as moving goalposts. Do you hear yourself?
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For conspiracy theories in general: they're a simple "explanation" for complex issues. It's usually simpler to understand a conspiracy than an actual complex issue It makes the conspiracy theorist feel special - that THEY're specially aware of the conspiracy, while the rest of the "masses" are ignorant (i.e. they're in possession of scarce "knowledge") confirmation bias - they want the conspiracy to be true, because of the above and other reasons (usually ego-related) Just off the top of my head, I might have missed a few more.
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Strange to be saying this when both bill and seth have said they enjoyed their long trips. Also did you consider how much of a minority you are? You specifically do long-haul driving as a job... Being in the UK or Europe hearing you guys talk about 1000+ mile road trips is quite funny, here many people would consider 300 miles pretty far. At 1000+ and you'll have a much bigger problem with visas, passports and understanding the local language (and local alphabet) than charging.
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Be more specific. In any case, you've already made up your mind so this is more dishonest arguing from you.
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No, Nissan Leafs have high depreciation because its lack of a battery thermal management system (air-cooled) means that the battery degrades quickly. Pretty much every other EV has liquid cooling for the battery.
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Anyway, in other news, EVs now make up more than 80% of new car sales in Norway.
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From the report itself, "Electric vehicles are still relatively new to the market, which limits the ability to track their 5-year depreciation." The report only had FIVE electric cars in the report. The top 5 vehicles that depreciated the most in the study, were all ICE (except for 1 hybrid). The Tesla Model S was 19th:
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This misinformation about EV depreciation needs to stop. Myth Buster: EVs depreciate faster than ICEs Brent googled 'EV depreciation' and read the AI-generated google snippet from a random website, with no source of the data, that "There have been reports that EVs lose up to 52% of their value just after three years as compared to ICE vehicles' 39.1%." Even the quote just says "there have been reports" and does not provide them. There's too little data about EV depreciation right now, but with their much lower maintenance costs it will probably be lower than ICE vehicles. Probably much lower.
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At least for the UK, trigger locks on petrol pumps are not a thing (safety standards)
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...and use them for what? Do you eat those?
