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I bought a lot of bits of it. Ryan you need a new partner. Nicky will only drag you down.

Nicky. It sounds like Ryan’s coaching you, but a good coach can only help so much. Do you stand by this statement? That no one in the military referred to them as fronts and backs?

Air crew very well could have said fronts and backs if they were asking for a complete set. I don’t know why they would ask for a complete set, but someone who used a front would say front. And then if he wanted a back, he’d say back because that’s what he would have called it. Fronts and backs.

Are you really that dumb? I just posted a few links. You’re not taking into account air crew. What about the guy who sent you pics of medals? Are those WW2 medals? Ask Ryan, he knows this stuff. If they aren’t then you are using that for your argument, and it’s not really relevant.

https://digitalcommons.csp.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?filename=0&article=1045&context=oral-history_ww2&type=additional In the meantime. I'm thinking, it's not opening, and I didn't have a front chute as a backup. I just had the one in the back. But then, thinking yea

Another data point, he uses the term front, not belly, not chest, not main. https://alabamamosaic.org/vufind/Record/FLCPLwar171/Description?print=1 If all Fly has to do is find examples of someone saying front that was military then I’d say he wins this argument. I find it very hard to believe that of the 10s of thousands of aircrew through the years (non pilot) none used the term front. Their preferred term may have been chest or belly, but to say they never used front is pretty absolute. Ryan and Nicky have been talking about military jumpers and civilian jumpers, and did not take into account air crew who just wore the fronts. Nicky needs to take some lessons from Ryan on how to put together an argument.

Looks like Dr. Bob has outlined his new book. Should be a good one. And I guess Eric still owes people money. The Vortex is not a real healthy place.

“Yes there are two 1960’s chest pack containers on the shelf stuffed with rags for show. You can see in the other shots the same bungees meant to hold the chutes in place on the shelf until needed. Yes everyone used QAC chest pack harnesses and chutes.” Navy guy who flew on the Twin Beech, as World War II plane that he helped restore. It’s one data point, but he uses the term chest. If you’re only using one chute, as a pilot may use one or a bombardier one, then would you say yours is a main and his a reserve, or would you say back and front or back and chest? From my perspective as one who does not wade into all of these conversations, is that Fly does not usually speak in absolutes, but someone like Nicky finds one data point, but has no context (like what that guys shadow box of awards means) and he uses that as an attack on Fly, when Fly already said his argument was not exclusive. All Fly has to do is find someone from that era who used the term front and he wins this argument. Whether that leads him to infer that Cooper was a certain type of person, well that’s up to him. You guys would like to say all his commentary for years is only because of Hahneman, like Ryan said something that I don’t really have much case knowledge and I’m just on Smith. I find both of those to be short sighted comments.

So he was in the military around 1945?

I got the impression from this pic that you meant Flo wanted changes to include the nose. She wanted some changes, but did not say the nose.

Nicky. Calling Fly a Canuck is derogatory in this case. I’ll take him over you as an American any day. Hahneman very well could have gotten the term in the military. These threads look like you are saying that this is a choice between two things, military parachutists and skydivers. Hahneman was neither, he was aircrew. An air crewman very well may have communicated in the terms fronts and backs. “Hey, go get me a chute” “what kind, front or back?” Or “what kind, main or reserve” I don’t think this is getting us very far, but you are using it to call out Flyjack. You message a few guys on Facebook who are military, and don’t know how much of a low life you are, because if they did, they would not talk to you. You’re a kiss ass who is using an appeal to authority fallacy. A guy who joined the Army in 1994 does not have first person experience of what a guy born in the 1920s said. I certainly don’t. I can assume, but I don’t know, just like I don’t know all the slang today. Ryan at least gave multiple examples of his stance. So let’s try this, if someone can find an example of someone in the military using the term front and back, or here is a key set of terms, front or back, then what happens? Probably nothing. You just want to suck up to Ryan because Fly embarrassed you.

This one backfired on Nicky. He was brown nosing as he usually does by tagging people to kiss up to them. Or calling them pet names like bloodhound or Mr. 302. Now he’s kissing up to Georger. I guess it’s a peaceful way to go through life, but embarrassing to always be looking for approval. Seems like Fly’s accurate statements were just glossed over. Back to the chutes. I’ve heard “chest pack” too for the fronts in the past too. For the sake of everyone, would it make sense to change the subject? Flight path. Sketches. I am curious. Nicky used the B sketch to push Klansnic and then Vordhal. What sketch will we be seeing at CooperCon to push the new suspect? KK5-1, Flo liked it. What were her words in the 302s (exactly as written by the agents) about what she didn’t like or wanted changed?

How did you get to this? Not judging here, but are you a Braden guy/paratrooper type for Cooper?

“It’s not satisfactory for me”. What a joke. Who cares what is satisfactory for you? Like you are some court or jury or something. There may very well be more researchers who do not participate than those who do. Some of the better ones rarely comment. Fly and anyone don’t owe any of you guys a thing. If anyone wants to keep their info close, then so be it. Ryan is saving info for a book. Fly is saving info for his reasons. We all do. The Vortex is full of loud mouths and information thieves. Gossipers too. Fly is more successful on a sick day than Nicky has been his whole life. Fly, you must have struck a nerve with Nicky. He’s trying to push you out. Best to just ignore him.

What is the value of him going on Darren’s podcast? Darren is a good guy, but it’s not like the podcast is Joe Rogan or something. Fly is a prolific poster and there is way more of his thinking on here than most. Anyone interested in what he thinks can just look here. For as much activity that goes on here, there is not a strong correlation with how the outside world sees Cooper. They think it’s McCoy or Loki or Rackstraw. Or Charles Westmoreland. Fly going on a show just for Cooperites will only be heard by Cooperites. If he has good info then it’s better that he holds it and delivers it outside the Vortex and not feel the need to get some blessing from people in the Vortex. Rick McCoy. Tom Colbert. R99. Jo Weber. Plenty of people have not been on that podcast. I got a text today from someone asking me about the new FBI files released. Like it was some big deal. I had to explain the real story. But that’s what the general public sees. Nicky pushing someone to come out more in public is a joke.