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This is a nice example. FallRte

No answer!? No worries. I'll wait. I've grown accustomed to waiting. FallRate

Well, you are a leading authority on those. FallRate

No one here said that. Yes, you make a habit of assuming what others' opinions are or would be. But as far as knowing any, does my Father and Grandfather count? FallRate

Simple: hypothetical situations allow Bill to discuss events he has not researched. FallRate

Am I kidding? No. They stopped completely. This example was given to show that the Branch Davidians were not out to kill all of the ATF agents. If they had been, all of the agents would be dead. Also, if the Branch Davidians had initiated the shooting, why did they stop? Yes, it does matter. You have once again assumed that the ATF was returning fire, which is unknown. You also assume that there was a standoff. There was no armed standoff prior to the shooting: no opportunity for the ATF to say "drop your gun, or we'll shoot." Not true. (And again you assume that the Branch Davidians fired first). We have the right to defend ourselves, even against US officials. They weren't; it didn't. If it does, we can discuss it. Maybe you should start a thread with that topic revealed instead of artificially embedding it into another. Greenies shouldn't troll. FallRate

Is that anything like taking God's name in vain? He used the name of an actual and rather famous US Senator. Is that also taboo. Or did we wake up on the overly sensitive side of the bed today? FallRate

Waco is a situation in which the government could do no right. Even when fired upon, they are later castigated for defending themselves. *** It has never been determined which side at Waco fired first. Both sides claim the other did and there is no video evidence to support or refute either claim. But...there is one fact that sheds a bit of light on the situation (and proves your comparison faulty): The Branch Davidians called the local police during the shootout and begged that they call the assault off. The ATF refused. However, when the ATF ran out of ammo and asked for a cease-fire, the Branch Davidians honored it. The Branch Davidians could have killed every single ATF agent that day, but didn't. And regarding the ATF's claim that they did not initiate the hostilities: They also claimed that they did not shoot, from a helicopter, an unarmed 17-year-old boy who was working on the water tower. But there is video of that. One more thing. The irony of this post is that if the Branch Davidians had been Muslim, you would probably have looked a little deeper into this. But the ATF picked their target well: a group of whacko Christians, who gives a shit about them!? FallRate

A philosphy professor of mine (my favorite) told us this during class... "Why did god ask Abraham to kill his son?" "Because Sarah would have told God to fuck off." FallRate

Bullshit. To do that would simply be: "Would your opinion on Waco change if it had been a group of Muslims?" Bill's hypothetical situation bears no resemblance to the incident at Waco. If he believes it does, it only demonstrates Bill's willingness to offer opinions based on ignorance. FallRate

Bill, I would say this is a nice attempt to illustrate inconsistencies in others, but it is a piss-poor comparison to Waco. Try again. Greenies shouldn't post leading questions that a child could see through. Troll. FallRate

We didn't say you were nuts, just spineless. FallRate

They were there before it began. The media was notified days in advance that something big was going to happen. The entire incident was designed as a publicity stunt on the part of the ATF, to bolster their reputation just prior to a Congressional funding hearing. This is not speculation. The Congressional hearings on the Waco incident brought it to light. FallRate

They didn't. I recommend the documentary: "WACO: The Rules of Engagement". FallRate

This makes a nice addendum: When asked "Why should people be moral?".... PhillyKev: When Skybytch complained about customers being rude and not refolding the shirts they pull from the shelves to size up... PhillyKev: But let's not rush to judgment...he also adds: Hmm..."Respect for other people, unless I pay to disregard it, and mixed in with a bit of misogyny." Cheers to the New Left! FallRate

--PhillyKev They didn't endorse a candidate, they bashed Bush, so they technically didn't do anything wrong. No names given for these organizations!? Shouldn't be so hard considering there are "plenty" of them. Pure Bullshit. (Plus, you didn't name any. Why should he!?) FallRate

And who is the pissy one!? FallRate

I started to respond with a rant about idiots and cell phones...I've decided to simply state that perhaps people, who receive calls in public, should excuse themselves and go outside...or preferably, to hell. FallRate

That show is Great! FallRate

And the nominations for Troll Of The Year...

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Not a bad idea. FallRate

Kevin, are you suffering from a hemorrhoidal flare-up or something of the sort? You seem awfully cantankerous today. FallRate

History. By the way...overreact much!? FallRate

Ever read the Op-Ed Page? FallRate