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Note that the instructor is the same sheriff who discharged a loaded rifle in 2003 while teaching a gun safety class. This is a sad incident and I wish it hadn't happened. The timing (right before Obama's likely win) couldn't be much worse either. Blues, Dave I wonder if he will loose his instructor rating this time, maybe a regulation change to forfeit instructor ratings due to an unplanned discharge would be the way to help prevent this, the guy is not a criminal who set about to use a gun in a crime, just an idiot that should not be teaching others, and possibly not even be allowed to own guns himself. I don't think this will have any impact on the election or the election any impact on the follow up to this death.

It didn't bother me a bit, you have to look at why it was done, did you see the interview? You'll have to explain why you think this is racist I don't see it. The guys doing the hanging are white and republicans are not a legally protected minority (even though some of their leaders think they are above the law) so it is not a crime.

If they don't get sued out of existence. They don't deserve to exist if they allow a 9 year old to handle a fully automatic weapon, irresponsible gun usage has a negative impact on all legal users, the less there is of it the better. I have young kids and I would not want them to be able to go to a gun show which does this, what if the round had gotten out of the range and hit someone else. I'm far more in favor of this show loosing its license to operate than some big law that bans lots of other things for lots of other people.

So you want to make "STUPID" a felony? It's already there, negligent homicide I think. I'm thinking of whether regulation could have prevented this. This is a case where the regulations were apparently followed by law abiding folks. The regulations did not work. A regulation preventing kids using guns below the age of 10 in public places would have prevented this. Not saying that this is the right regulation, but it would have worked.

Over 30,000 pages of regulation isn't enough? Dead kid is OK? Some of those 30,000 pages need some changes.

Actually I've had a great week. If you think that anything that happens here determines what kind of a week I have you are mistaken. You must be confused, show me a single post where I backpedaled. Not only has my opinion not changed but as posted it is shared by others. And your point is? I took no position either way and it did exactly what I wanted it to and that being to seek information and opinions of others of which most were constructive. I did no such thing. It was not my creation and I simply copied it from the news site in its entirety as reported. Now if you want to dispute the accuracy of the claims made in it knock yourself out. You are still throwing mud. Other peoples mud, and it's all BS designed to get a knee-jerk reaction against Obama. Have anything original of your own, either commentary or content, preferably truthful, rather than the BS stuff you have been copying and pasting recently?

Right, you run up against the NRA and supporters who will do anything to prevent any kind of gun legislation that attempts to regulate regardless of how sensible it is. There are many things we do that are dangerous (flying, driving, drinking, smoking) and they are tightly regulated, I don't see why guns should get a pass, the 2nd doesn't mean without regulation as the SCOTUS said recently.

I'm torn on that one, I would hate for a parent to loose the right to teach his kids to use weapons, but I think that children need to be protected from idiot adult, being the parent doesn't give you the right to cause your childs death like this. Possibly tighten up the "instructor" rating/training, make the training much harder with more refreshers and require more stringent testing before giving the rating, maybe a rule about full-auto and some age limit for public facilities. However I worry that knee-jerk legislation would either be too broad and effect legitimate uses, or too focused and not have any effect. General negligent homicide laws should suffice to punish these kinds of cases. I'm not sure what laws/regulation can prevent it though, there will always be idiots and at some point legislating again them messes up life for the rest of us.

It was totally the adults' responsibility, both the father (assuming he was the guardian that gave consent) and the instructor that fucked up the instruction. It's crazy that this child was not allowed to drive a car in a public place but can go to a public place and shoot himself legally. I hope the adults (not guns) responsible are held accountable for this death and it is not brushed off as accidents can happen.

Priceless

Guess again. Do this, ask any police officer or lawyer here if physical trauma to a person from a crime is evidence? That same EVIDENCE can now be used against her for reporting a false crime. As to the second part of your sentenace, notice that you responded to the title “Another democrat hate crime attack?” That is a question and not a statement of fact. Yeah right, and pigs can fly. The GOP way is to sling tons of mud and count on some of it sticking. You're a poster boy for the GOP, cut straight from the cloth as evidenced by your posts here. Justifying this attack with a question mark, so if I made a PA put stuck a question mark after it I wouldn't get banned?

Uh, yes. there was. Someone claiming to be attacked, robbed and who appeared to be beaten and marked is called evidence! No that is an allegation, although the evidence suggests that you treat anti-Obama allegations as facts.

I guess you didn't read what I wrote that you quoted. It was reported in the mainstream news and I put it out here for discussion, if you can't handle that it is YOUR problem. It is not discrediting me as I did not report a false crime to the police. I will make you a deal though, I won't post anything here that I can't make sure is true if you and everyone else does the same! Are you game? Do you speak for EVERYONE else here too? I don't have a problem with you posting stuff that turns out to be wrong, it's your credibility not mine. The cry wolf tactic of the GOP (which you are copying BTW) has caused a lot of harm for McCain as story after story has turned out to be overblown or a complete hoax like this. In fact if you did stop there would be less fun in this forum, I ROFLMAO with the GOP desperation I see in threads like this.

With all the time she has to spend giving depositions for troopergate, spending $150,000 on clothes shopping and using the $30,000+ worth of hair and cosmetic treatment I'm surprised she has time for anything, including getting a clue about presenting a viable alternative to Obama's economic policy. She is just a dress up girl for the GOP who likes to spend GOP donations on her wardrobe, sure glad I didn't donate to the GOP, the thought of the GOP spending more on her looks than her policy advisers would bug me. Next thing you know she'll be getting a boob job courtesy of GOP donations.

I agree. If it does turn out to be a hoax I hope they prosecute her for reporting a false crime. I think it is just as bad to pull a hoax as the crime because it instills hate in people that routinely results in retribution crimes. Will you stop slinging mud? Seems like you are using everything possible to discredit Obama without making sure it is true, this is one of many dubious threads. It is discrediting you more than Obama.

Because the landslide is already happening. This endorsement, plus the $150 million flowing to Obama in September, more than half of it from NEW donors. As they say, "follow the money". 'Follow the money' like the $800k he gave ACORN, or 'follow the money' like the donations from 'Edrty Eddty' ($250) and 'Es Esh' ($250)? Or maybe the donations from 'Good Will' ($17,375) or 'Doodad Pro' ($19,500) - well over the maximum allowable of $4600 between the primary and general election. Or, perhaps the approximately $39 MILLION dollars that have come in from overseas sources? Yeah, let's follow THAT money!! Just like the GOP is trying to discredit the voting system in this country this is just another attack on the system to divert attention from the fact that they don't know how to change the way they govern and lead this nation and as a result have lost the minds and hearts of the many of their former supporters. It's all suggestion and innuendo and taking things out of context. For ever dollar you question (without evidence) Obama has more than $10 that you cannot question, you are playing smoke and mirrors. Good thing is that many prominent rebuplicans are seeing right through it and voting for Obama.

You take Louis Farrakhan to heart? I had no idea he that kind of influence over conservatives. He is just one man, try to judge Obama not those clinging to his coat tails.

Please feel free to add your name to the list in my previous post. You said you think she is guilty of abuse, but that the investigation was a waste of money. So you don' think we should investigate political abuses of power, or that you don't think we should investigate abuses of power of GOP VP candidates. The investigation started before she was selected as mccain's running mate, mccain knew that and still selected her, he screwed up big time selecting her. However you are loyal to your party regardless, props to you for that, shame the party does not deserve it.

If you think she did try to get him fired, why don't you see that as personal gain, its not financial but it is personal. Why do you continue to support her, can you imagine the sorts of abuse of power that could occur if she was VP. She has demonstrated that as a governer she is without principle operating on the edge of the law for her own personal agenda.

No, but you might want to read your source: "But the panel of lawmakers voted to release the report, although not without dissension. There was no immediate vote on whether to endorse its findings." They voted 12-0 to release it, sounds unanimous to me. You're squirming to find a way to spin a 12-0 vote against palin as dissension. But you believe what you believe in the face of this, you are loyal to your party, I have to give you that.

Here's a fun thought: suppose McCain were to be president. Maybe guys like Kim jong-Il would think, "I not fuck with this guy. He crazy." Great, I can see it "Vote for mccain, he will keep our enemies under control because he is unpredictable and looses his temper"

Hopefully people will take this as a warning that, if elected, the mccain-palin administration will abuse power just like their buddies bush-cheney are, sticking a middle finger up to the legislative and judicial branches of government and doing what they please regardless of the law. Nothing changes in politics except the names.

Nope. You need a lesson in geometry or one in geography (or probably both). He probably a member of the flat earth society, kind of like ID. I read a study that these folks are related to the ostrich family, evidenced by the head in the sand approach in dealing with reality.

Can't agree more, there is no way I want my future tax dollars committed to this. I think that we can agree to this even though we are on opposite sides of the house (and when are you coming back to the bay area, did you know marco bough the DZ?) Why the hell should we bail out wall street, they gambled and lost, it is welfare for the (formerly) rich. My partisan view also tells me that this is bailing out Bush's buddies, the rich guys that line the GOP coffers, they have fucked us with high gas prices and now they want to rape the treasury. NO NO NO... GOP Sad you are blinding yourself to the true cause.......... Sad you are so partisan that you are in denial. Ya, like the facts back this shit up It's hypocrisy that while oil prices are at record highs all the oil politicians cry that we have to leave the oil companies alone, but when one of their buddies are in trouble they want to bail them out using our money, they are either screwing us with high prices or screwing us by wanting to be paid out. They want their cake and want to eat it and the current GOP administration is giving it to them :( Where are we supposed to get the money to pay for the national debt, we have to have low taxes (the carrot to fool people into voting for them), low regulation of profitable companies (and fools believe you have to let the rich do this so they can spread the wealth) and big tax payout when they fuck up (or it would be really bad for main street). And to top it all they manage to spin it so schmucks [personal reference deleted] support them blindly.

Can't agree more, there is no way I want my future tax dollars committed to this. I think that we can agree to this even though we are on opposite sides of the house (and when are you coming back to the bay area, did you know marco bough the DZ?) Why the hell should we bail out wall street, they gambled and lost, it is welfare for the (formerly) rich. My partisan view also tells me that this is bailing out Bush's buddies, the rich guys that line the GOP coffers, they have fucked us with high gas prices and now they want to rape the treasury. NO NO NO...