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well no, of course not. maybe i should have clarified my point by saying 4 planes deviating from a filed FAA plan within minutes of each other. truth of the matter, we had a really good idea of what was going on. and i'm in total agreement with PIC carrying handguns in the cockpit. i fly from the states to saudi and back every 28 days and i have noticed nothing more than a lock on the cockpit doors of the aircraft Northwest/KLM flies and the DC8's don't even have that. anybody could access the cockpit if they wanted to, heck, we load up on the planes right by the cockpits you could just waltz right in there they leave the doors open, it does raise a high level of concern for me i would like to see the cockpit "secured" before/during/after allowing passengers on and off the plane. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

yeah it was, but this goes back to my original question: "who's policing the police" it is my belief that we're all responseable in some small part. we know our political leaders are glamorized thieves, liars, lazy and ignorant and yet we tolerate it. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

best wishes always, hope all will be well with you and yours. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

gulf war...1991? who has been monitoring this situation over the years? why NOW out of the middle of nowhere do we decide to all of the sudden like make them comply? especially with the threats? this should have never happened, especially since they tried to take the same buildings down from the basement in 1993, why didn't we make iraq dissarm then? this is all about one thing, the "super power" of the world was made a fool of on 09/11 and now somebody's got to pay for it. if my memory serves me correctly ol wyubya was sitting in a classroom with a bunch of children when someone stepped in the room and whispered in his ear that a tragedy had occured, just like pearl harbor, there was a bunch of people playing golf, swimming, relaxing, chasing women, and all of a sudden like...BAM, we have got to know by now if someone is going to attack us, they will do it when our gaurd is down. yeah, we may be the richest nation in the world, but we're not always the smartest even though we claim to be. you see we all know a little bit about avaition, i think that's a safe assumption, those planes should never have been allowed to deviate from their filed FAA flight plan(s), and since they did, we did nothing about it until it was too late. it's ugly, but the plan is to eliminate any aircraft that is deviating from a filed FAA flight plan if communication is not established with the PIC of the aircraft. we knew when the planes deviated, we knew how many, and still, we did nothing. i know this is a sobering thought pattern, but it's a reality. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

we have no right to force iraq to dissarm, and we are NOT doing it peacefully as we are bombing iraq day and night right now, and have been for weeks (in the no fly zones) as no other country in the world has the right to force us to dissarm. the u.s. complains about iraq and the "axis of evil" we have fought communism (aka: axis of evil) for many years, lots of lives lost. now, we fought communism because the communist insisted they force their politics on everyone else. what are we doing now? have we turned into what we once strived so hard to prevent? the very thought of the u.s. even entertaining the thought of having enough gall to tell sadaam hussein to leave his homeland, and live in exile to prevent a war is ludricrous. i can tell you this, if someone were to come to me and tell me to get off of my homeplace that my father left me, even though it's just 135 acres, i'd tell them to get f*cked. what do we expect sadaam's reaction to be? what it all boils down to is common sense. my main question has always been: "who's policing the police?" i get sick and tired of being the world's babysitter and chief financial contributor, after all this one as the others before it will be on the taxpayers, i've got better things to do with my money, and i am tired of financing campaigns that i don't agree with. has anyone given any thought to paying for everything we tear up, and the trillions of $$$ this has costs us in the past? not to mention, if it happens, the cost of a post war sadaam iraq, who's going to pay for it? we will, now that's communism for you. "If none of us believe in war Then can you tell me what the weapons for? Listen to me, everyone If the button is pushed There will be no place to run" John Osbourne AKA: Ozzy Osbourne --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

i never thought of it this way, but it is provacative thinking. i think i'll do some research, and do a comparison of sky diving vs. skiing and see what the injury/death rate is...now where to start? i betcha a lot of folks get hurt and killed skiing, it just doesn't get the press, unless your sonny bono, or a kennedy. glad wyubya sr. did o.k. on his 2nd jump, or our sport would have taken a big lick. wonder if they made him sign a waiver? hmmmm... --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

now this is funny!

that's an ugly thought! --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

How the Security Council feels about Iraq For/Against: The United States: Iraq is developing weapons of mass destruction, is failing to cooperate with weapons inspectors and is violating its obligations under U.N resolutions. Washington says it already has Security Council authorization to use military force to disarm Iraq *For War* Russia: Iraq is cooperating with inspectors and there is no evidence it is rearming. Russia wants economic sanctions, imposed after Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, to eventually be lifted and says the council must authorize any use of force. *Against War* China: Supports continued inspections. *Basically Against War* Britain: Prefers a second Security Council resolution authorizing any military action, but is expected to join U.S.-led action without one. Says Iraq is not cooperating or disarming and that time is running out for it to do so through weapons inspections. *For War* France: Says inspections are starting to work and sees no justification for military action now. Paris has hinted it could use its veto to block council authorization for military action at this stage. *Against War* Angola: Supports continued inspections in Iraq. *Basically Against War* Bulgaria: Indicated it would support U.S.-led military intervention without a Security Council authorization. *For War* Cameroon: Supports continued inspections and has not taken a position regarding military action. *Undecided* Chile: Supports continued inspections and has not taken a position regarding military action. *Undecided* Guinea: Supports continued inspections and has not taken a position regarding military action. *Undecided* Germany: Insists Iraq must be disarmed peacefully and has said it will not participate in any military intervention, even if the Security Council authorizes such action. *Against War* Mexico: Supports continued weapons inspections and could support military intervention authorized by the Security Council. *Undecided And Crawfishing* Pakistan: Supports continued weapons inspections and a diplomatic resolution of the conflict. *Basically Against War* Syria: Damascus says Iraq is cooperating with its obligations under U.N. resolutions and has called for U.N. sanctions to be lifted. *Basically Against War* Spain: Supports the Bush administration’s stance on Iraq. Believes military intervention could proceed without Security Council authorization. *For War* Source: The Associated Press Links: One Two Three --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

thanks John, but i believe i will need it, along with the rest of us over here. this morning we set up patriots in isreal, and are making tentative plans to fly over saudi to drop equipment and personal for the northern front, in cas we can't con turkey into letting us give them 30 billion dollars. we are flying numourous sorties from quatar over the no fly zones in iraq daily. it's unsettling to have those jets screaming overhead. we drill daily for emergency procedures and security is very tight here, for everybody. don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes. keep your powder dry. Edit: would someone pull up this IP address and tell me where it says it's coming from please? i'm curious which server they're using. Thanks...... --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

i'm in Saudi right now, i've got aussies-brits-scots-pakistan-saudis-etc...on my rig here in haradh, saudi-arabia, they are all pretty nervous, tensions are very high to the point of high stress levels. tony blair and george bush are not popular amoung the various cultures we have here right now. blair will be cleaning windows, and bush will be lucky to pull this off and not get in some sort of a bind with the rest of the world...ie: north korea, belgium, germany & france. no one i've talked to is pro war, everyone wants this situation to be settled diplomatically. i'm sure with the events of the last 24 hours we'll see some reaction within 7-10 days. the good news is oil prices are down to $35.00 a bbl vs. $39.44 a bbl because of iraq destroying their missles. hopefully, it'll blow over. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

WOW! what a trip, i can't believe the political double talk. remember i said it here first, next election it will be lieberman/rodham clinton on the democratic ticket, worse yet, they'll win. in any event, coming over here and attacking iraq will be a humoungous mistake. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

...wish i had never made that first jump

i'm not an Aramco Brat, but i do work for them in Saudi-Arabia, i'm here now. the neanderthals in Amsterdam lost 2/3rds of the passengers luggage, (conveyor belt broke, rather than fix it, they sent the plane on it's way anyhow...go figure) and i was in the bracket, so now i'm in the desert with no clothes save for the ones i had on when i boarded the plane in austin-bergstrom on friday afternoon. it is now sunday evening 03/02/2003 9:05 P.M. here, take 9 hours off for CST. c ya! --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

AKA hooknswoop. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

he's still got some stuff left, bad thing is he won't get drafted to a team with an offensive line good enough to block their grandmothers, thus rendering him ineffective. but he may surprise us, the lions are looking for a running back, barry sanders turned them down again this year, we'll see. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

most companies that rent vehichles for their company personal, do in fact rent cars from an agency that has insurance on their cars. i'm not sure why your company is trying to make you pay, i'd have to tell them i wouldn't pay. the rental agency is not stupid enough to rent out cars, and not have insurance on them. in any event, your company should have industrial insurance for their company just for these types of incidences. they're just trying to rip you off. tell them hell no! in any event, you were on company time, and although it was a rental car it was leased to your employer..right? case closed, labor board. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

"America, Land Of The Free, Home Of The Brave. Send Me Your Tired, Sick And Hungry" a lot of what's going on, we did to ourselves, i hate it as well, and "so it goes" --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

This Is Scary i've seen this before, it doesn't look good. this proves my theory that the U.S.A. needs to be energy independant. it won't be long before DZO's will have to raise the price of jump tickets to offset this extra costs. commercial airlines are adding a $10.00 fuel charge to many airline tickets, it's scary. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

name calling will get you nowhere... --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

i dissagree. debates have been around for years. in court trails, they are essentially debates, if they are innefective, then why are they employed to the degree that they are. taking a shot at diplomacy is not useless. i think a debate would be very enlightning. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

they should have the debate on live television in the same location, this is something Sadaam has already consented to. and NO it shouldn't be PPV. thats ludricrous. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

so do we. our military has been lying to us, and decievieng us since adam & eve. one more time, "who's policing the police?" the UN has had 12 years to monitor, inspect and insure that Sadaam would be in compliance with the WMD destruction, i believe someone fell asleep at the swith, Pearl Harbor ring a bell. ther we were drinking, chasing women, dancing, golfing taking it easy, and all of the sudden...well the rest is history. the same thing with 09/11 we were complacent, and our enemies know they cannot attack us if we are "awake" --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

it does apply to everyone. but some of us are more informed than others. if you have not been in these countries in the last year, you are not as qualified as i am to comment on it. i have over 500 sky dives, but diver XXXX has 5 thousand, who's better to comment on the subject, him, or myself? this was not the topic of disscussion, the topic was that Sadaam wanted to debeate ol' wyubya no, i am not, but that doesn't mean i'm not informed, moreso than others as i've said numerous times, if your not willing to go over there, then hold your tongue. you understand nothing about the culture, religion, politics, etc...i've lived with these people, i've worked with them, i am their supervisor in the middle east when i go over there, i've seen first hand what goes on over there recently, i will also deploy for active duty assignment again on the 28th of this month, want to come along? i thought not. then since you've spoken to some world leaders, who are the main world leaders in the middle east? Saudi-Yemen-Quatar-Bahrain-Turkey-UAE-Africa-Iran? --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"

have you ever been to the middle east? Iraq, Turkey, Iran, Saudi-Arabia, Yemen, Quatar, Bahrain? if you haven't, your not qualified to speak on the subject in an informed tone. and again, who's policing the police? Edit: Add URL: Click Here For More Information This is where our 5th Naval Fleet is based. --Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist"