sinker

holy shit obi wan, you have a new rig AND a new job??? Fuck me running with a chain saw!!! I can't believe it. Congrats man! Bring the rig when we get together for drinks in a couple of weeks... I promise I'll wear gloves and keep my zipper up. -the artist formerly known as sinker

you mean you're going to let me see the inside of your eyeball? -the artist formerly known as sinker

an icy stare indeed...... and a close one at that.... -the artist formerly known as sinker

oh baby!!!!! BAAA-BAAAA- BAAAAAAAA!!! only prob was I couldn't really feel much.... that is tooo funny!!!! like your newest avatar... when will I see what YOU really look like? I know I know, it doesn't matter really ,but I am curious. -the artist formerly known as sinker

work? at work? what a stupid thought! and besides, post whoring is hard work enough as it is... -the artist formerly known as sinker

ok y'all... this isn't directed at rhino directly... but we're getting out of hand again and this thread will AGAIN get locked.... let's back up a tic, get our panties unwadded and have a smoke or whatever... -the artist formerly known as sinker

Sorry, I know I said I was done, but upon reflection, Sinker, you are right. It's much easier to not know what is possible. It makes it much easier to just go on. (no, I'm not being sarcastic) I've just decided that I don't do what's easy anymore. Anyway, I apologize, and moderater, please delete all of my posts in this thread. *** that's EXACTLY the shitty attitude people here get pissed off about... so you don't want to take the easy way out anymore... thanks for being sanctimonious about this and accusing all of us ON meds of being lazy, taking the easy way. I have 4 years of post grad education and YEARS of experience treating depression and dealing w/ it myself... I'm an expert at REBT (rational emotive behavioral therapy), flooding, systematic desensitization (try that for your phobia darling!) and other cognitive therapies, , etc. And b/c I'm on meds, I am taking the easy way? You are so utterly clueless. I'm glad you found something that works for you. But you know, it hasn't entirely worked for me. And I'm not the least bit ashamed of it either. How dare you look down on me and others b/c we are "copping out" and using meds. -the artist formerly known as sinker

gosh luna, what can anyone say to that post? I'm TRULY sorry your feelings have been hurt... honestly, I'm very sorry. tonto did not mean literally you should go kill yourself. you're taking that too literally. he was using hyperbole to make a point. addressing people who take meds and kill themselves... i've not once said that medication is a panacea. not even the best medication "cures" depression. it's a sad fact that even those being treated w/ meds still sometimes take their lives. it would be myopic however to state that it was bad advice to give them meds in the first place. there are many reasons why people kill themselves. one reason why the newer antideps are so good is that it is virtually impossible to kill yourself with them. I know I'm not going to change your mind here... as much as I'm trying to employ the power of MY mind to change yours (it's a joke dear). But please please please... if you feel that way, realize that there are others who DON'T feel that way and may be shamed by your beliefs ("she did it, why isn't it working for me?") and the reasons you cite for why people get depressed... all are environmental, situational. You do not address those born w/ a genetic predisposition. You simply cannot logically argue that those people CAN change this by will power. Some MAY... I really wish this thread did not turn into this... -the artist formerly known as sinker

no boobies here... everyone is too depressed to show 'em... -the artist formerly known as sinker

ok. you've said it then. putting out an alternative to meds is not WRONG but, if not presented in the proper context or wording (which is difficult to gauge in a forum such as this), it can indeed be dangerous. There is a reason why psychiatrists go through 4 yrs of college, 4 more years of medical school, usually 4 more years of residency, THEN, often fellowships after that. my point here is that depression is a complex issue and doling out unsolicited advice to people w/o having first gathered alot of information about the people you're dealing with is irresponsible. And yes, I do believe that some of your beliefs and Rhino's beliefs can easily be stigmatizing and damaging to people who would like nothing more than to make their brain turn the depression switch off. Unfortunately, it's just not that simple. sorry you've been hurt over this. I never intended that to happen. -the artist formerly known as sinker

Your stance implies that choice over how we react to the events which unfold in our lives is infinite. I do not believe that it is. This is the core of our disagreement, and there is not way of proving it one way or another. *** well said... much better than I could have said myself. -the artist formerly known as sinker

w/o going into specifics Tonto, I totally believe in Luna's logic (hey- a new buzz phrase!) about battling phobias. Such techniques are quite effective, even sometimes better than medication interventions. Luna, congrats on what you've been able to accomplish w/ battling your phobia! wait a tic. hold on. this is not the way it is at all, at least the way I see it. While Tonto is speaking pretty bluntly about the quad in the wheelchair, I don't think any of us are trying to bully you about your beliefs. If it works for you, then more power to you. As I've told you, I also believe in the power of the mind and it's ability TO A POINT to positively influence all sorts of disease states, most importantly, mental illnesses. What some of us take exception to is that when Rhino first started to post about this, it came across to some as dogmatic and critical and insensitive to those who, for whatever reason, cannot or will not get off of medications. And I don't remember ANYONE trying to censor you or Rhino. -the artist formerly known as sinker

I agree. You have to have the tools, and sometimes that just means finding out that they are out there. But I see everyone denying the possibility in totality. That's BS.*** who exactly is denying the possibility? I sure as hell am not. re-read wendy's post... -the artist formerly known as sinker

amen to that... drink all you can when you can... and start hydrating the day before, even days before. and don't stop. I made the mistake of stopping w/ 10k left, just to rest my right foot. worst mistake of my LIFE!!!!! it took all the energy I had to finish. -the artist formerly known as sinker

ain't it da truthhhhhhhhh -the artist formerly known as sinker

why can't you and I just share him sue-she? you know we'd just end up serving you... -the artist formerly known as sinker

congrats Dutchboy!!! -the artist formerly known as sinker

no you're not, your a short unemployed IT guy who pretends to be obi wan! just kiddin man, just busting your balls cos you're jumpin and i'm dying... drinks in NYC coming soon... I'll pm ya... -the artist formerly known as sinker

i did the honolulu marathon last december in honor of my wife for the arthritis foundation. truth be told, I walked it (i'm such a puss). I trained for 9 months about 4 times per week... it was a great experience but I'll never do it again. It kicked my ass. -the artist formerly known as sinker

Oh, that aurora. I thought you meant this Aurora. *** why aren't those crazy canucks calling it an Orion, like us cool Americans? -the artist formerly known as sinker

and how do you define addition, rhino? nothing about modern antidepressants causes chemical dependency. so, tell me what symptoms of addiction all of these people you know are demonstrating? -the artist formerly known as sinker

huhn... i thought you were talking about the super secret lockheed / skunkworks project.... nope haven't seen it... nope... -the artist formerly known as sinker

everyone knows there are side effects to medications. Older tricyclic medications were very easy to overdose on. MAOIs (mono-amine oxidase inhibitors) are also potentially dangerous and interact w/ many modern drugs. MAOIs are seldom used anymore. Tricyclics are also not used as much as they used to given the incredible advances with drugs like paxil, prozac, zoloft, celexa, wellbutrin, etc. While these drugs have side effects, they are generally very mild. That is partially why they are so popular! Esp. the SSRI's... their side effect profile is incredibly tame!!! So... for people that need meds (yes, Rhino, there are many who NEED them), it is a mercy that they have powerful mood elevators that are non-addictive (none of them I mentioned are) and are generally VERY VERY Safe. -the artist formerly known as sinker

so... who's that yer squeezin' jraf? -the artist formerly known as sinker

that's too bad... -the artist formerly known as sinker