CSpenceFLY

Oh hell another Dublin thread

***IIRC the ISP requires three "coach" jumps between graduating from student status and the A license. Assuming the novice gets off student status at 10 jumps and gets the A at 25... I don't see an issue with a novice doing 12 solos. That's 12 jumps in which the novice can work on canopy control, stability, heading control - ie all the things that they have "learned" but could still use practice on. btw, the requirement for a coach or AFF rating to jump with pre-A license holders can be waived by the S&TA - so if you're good and you want to jump with non-licensed jumpers on your own dime without a coach rating, you can. pull and flare, lisa I have no problem requiring coaches jumps,I just don't think that the options should be only coaches jumps or solos.Why not let them jump with experienced jumpers to learn the skills and then with a coach to get the skills signed off. I realize that the coaches requirement can be waived, but that is not being done so as to protect the finances of the coaches or staff.

Well this is off topic, but I can't let that one go. When I was a "100 jump wonder" I was jumpmastering, which meant doing everything short of running the FJC. So I would think that i your opinion the Coach rating is an improvement over the old system. I personally like the fact that we encourage our younger skydivers to start to teach. I'm in Kansas though, so generally someone with 100 jumps has at least a couple years in the sport. I do agree that there are inevitably conflicts, personally I'd like to see more representation form/for the small (1, 2 Cessna 182/206) DZs (I'm not running!). Seems to me that an awful lot of what USPA does is geared toward the large DZs. To use your example, the Coach rating is honestly useless for an IAD/Static Line DZ. Seems that the whole ISP was geared around AFF, and the "second tier" training methods were simply forced in. That being the case it's hard to encourage people to spend money and work for a useless rating, just so they can proceed on to becoming an Instructor. I doubt that either the large DZ DZOs, or the professional skydivers, would have much concern for us "little guys". You hit one issue on the head.Time in sport.I would think alot more of someone with 100 jumps and lets say 2 yrs in the sport teaching.I do however know people with coaches ratings that have no business teaching someone to play Monopoly much less teaching anything about skydiving. Like it or not the student program and the A-licence cards along with the coaches rating have been implemented as to stay in the students pocket as long and as deep as possible.It is my belief that it is costing our sport dearly in the way of lost jumpers.When I started jumping you didn't have to buy someones slot to have people to jump with after you got off of AFF.And if that is not the way it is done where you are,GREAT.But I get around a little and this is what I see,100 jump wonders,in the sport 3 months,unable to teach,getting their jumps paid for by the new people. In regards to the little guys.You are right.As stated above the programs are geared toward the bottom line and staffing needs at the larger DZs.If you go back and look at when this all started it was I believe when a couple of large DZ owners got elected to the board. I learned the old way.When you got off of AFF you got to jump with the more experienced jumper and learned to skydive.You didn't have to pay for someone elses jumps for the next 25 jumps.IMO,this is creating a social barrier where as the new jumpers are somewhat seperated from the general population and forced to jump with just a select few.Some of which could care less about anything other than a free skydive.Again,if it's not like this where you are,GREAT.

***I know Spence cringes everytime fuel goes up. Seeing as how its tied to his bottom line. You mean that number that is printed in RED

Nothing personal ment.I'm just not happy with the way a few things have been done and changes that have been made in OUR sport since I started 7 yrs ago.An example would be the way the coaches rating is being used for 100 jump wonders to get jumps paid for buy students.Flame on

I'm not making light of anything.Gas prices dropped 30 cents here yesterday.When you consider we paid $3.49 a gal labor day weekend $2.35 is something to be happy about.

I'll be at The Farm this weekend.Make plans to go to the Harvest Moon Boogie with me the weekend after the Mountain Boogie.Good news is the gas prices are coming down.

Talk to you later...Going to Kroger to fill up the motor home before all you people run the prices up

***I hear she has LOTS of patience. She puts up with me doesn't she

To avoid conflict of interest and more drama - those board members that are DZOs did not vote. It was not a representation of their thoughts on this topic. Imagine what could be said if a DZO did vote to revoke the GM of their competition? That would be just as unethical. I'm glad that they did step out when the votes were casted. Which leads to the question.Should DZOs be voted onto the board to begin with.That could probably be a new thread.

Or you could close on the house,come to the Mountain Boogie and we can unpack you on Mon.

It's just a local thing out of a Cessna. It doesn't get announced or anything. You just gotta be in the know. Can't believe you wouldn't call me

You don't need any pudding you fat tomatoe Yeah,like you need to work on your fall rate.

***I guess the question to ask is "Why is it important to you to have a home DZ?" There are definite advantages ... you get to know people, they get to know you, If I had my head stuck in the sand at my "home dz"we never would have met NWFlyer.I think you meet more people when you stay mobile.And people don't get sick of you as quick

Damn,You'll have to start a thread about that one and let us know how it goes.

You can be a part of the RoamingDZ.Go where you want when you want.if you don't spend alot of time at any one DZ you never get sucked into the DRAMA and no one gets offended when you are not there.

Nilla Waffers,Whip Cream and Lesley...I mean Pudding.What could be better

I'll take some of that pudding.i'm going to bring some whip cream for mine.

I know lots of people that have young kids and still jump.I also know lots that have quit jumping after having kids.I don't think most quit because of the kids,just other things to do I guess.I do believe however that the kids should be a part of your everday life.I know some peopel that get a sitter when they go to the grocery store.Then then can't figure out why their kids don't know how to behave in public.

Flannel in the winter.

ZZ Top Eliminator and anything Pink Floyd

I don't believe that in the few years we have been tracking the weather that we have begun to see the cycles in the weather.

We'll talk about the spankings later

I have some clear plastic that I can bring.That way we can make the playing field as large as is needs to be

Justi took mine.Sent to me by AlanaB