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I didn't know there was a KoolAid argument. It has to do with the type of asbestos it is(I'll find the reference to the types when I have time) and whether simply being in the area is dangerous. Also, If I choose to go there(if there was a danger) I would only be indangering myself. I don't need anyone protecting me from myself.

Can you point to a single medical or scientific study that says exposure to asbestos is safe? I'm not saying asbestos is safe. I'm saying the danger in this area has been fabricated by some tree hugging group that wanted to stop the use of this area by ATVs. They may not have planned on the hiking to be stopped also but then again you never know. Some of those groups would have us all drink some special KoolAid to put us all out of the Earths misery.

I bet you can find another group to do a study that wold say it is perfectly safe to be there. Can you say tree huggers and special interest?

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I know where this will end up but anyway, http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2008/clear-creek-05-02-2008.html Center Applauds Closure of Clear Creek Management Area for Public Health and Endangered Species Protection HOLLISTER, Calif.– The Bureau of Land Management closed to the public over 30,000 acres of the Clear Creak Management Area in response to a multi-year Environmental Protection Agency report that concluded that the carcinogenic asbestos stirred up by motorcycles, all-terrain vehicles, and sport utility vehicles pose a serious health risk to visitors. “It’s about time that the agency steps in to protect public health,” said Chris Kassar, a biologist with the Center for Biological Diversity. “The EPA study confirms that asbestos levels and toxic dust kicked up by off-road vehicles is a much greater health hazard than previously thought, and the Bureau of Land Management is going to have to be very careful about how they manage this area in the future.” The Clear Creek Management Area, near Coalinga in San Benito and Fresno Counties, contains one of the largest naturally occurring asbestos deposits on Earth, and the land is dotted with abandoned asbestos and mercury mines. Visitors entering Clear Creek's 30,000-acre "red zone" see signs warning of asbestos exposure and are warned to avoid breathing dust and drinking water from the area. The EPA has been reporting high levels of asbestos for years, but the recent assessment is the most conclusive reporting alarming statistics like the fact that five visits a year to the Clear Creek Management Area over three decades could lead to lung cancer and other crippling diseases. Protecting public health isn’t the only concern in the area. The Center for Biological Diversity and the California Native Plant Society filed suit in federal court in 2004 in an effort to get the Bureau of Land Management to manage off-road vehicle abuse until it acted to protect the threatened San Benito evening primrose, a wildflower found only in the Clear Creek area. About two-thirds of the area's colonies of the primrose have been harmed by off -road activity, and one colony of 1,476 plants was wiped out by off-road drivers between 2000 and 2003. As a result of this lawsuit, off-road use was officially restricted to 242 miles of trails to protect the primrose and other fragile species. For a link to the EPA study, click here.

Let me put it this way. I'd sit back and watch all day long.

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For some reason that just doesn't look like a good idea.

If he has not made any posts none one here is going to know him.

I think we need to see a little more of them.

What happened to them?

Fishing comes to mind.

Just someone else looking for grant money. I'm thinking about doing a study about your chances of finding a party if you hang out with skydivers,with a secondary study on your chances of finding someone doing something stupid. I figure that should be good for a couple million.

Where can I get me one of those?

Just goes to prove you can make surveys say anything you want.

She should be able to do that for you.

We should be there. Hey you could really draw this out and only use half of the ashes, then we could do another one in 6 months or so.

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Damn, and people think I'm angry.

Perhaps. But this a legitimate question. If you don't want to play go away.

I think I get it and either you are sick or I am.

Congrads!!! Now as my instructor told me,"You know just enough to go kill yourself" Be careful. That was a fantastic day for me. It was probably the first thing I ever did without someone making me do it.

Please see downwardspirals post. We just need to make sure they are on the south side of the moat when they are done.

I don't get it.