olemisscub
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I know what you’re insinuating, but I’ve not seen or heard any actual evidence of that. Not comfortable casting those aspersions.
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“Shapes in areas of the face”. lol. Good grief, dude.
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Also this was in the latest batch. Probably goes a bit to explain why the FBI was so interested in LD back in the day.
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Gregory claiming he saw Cooper's eyes despite saying in his initial interview that he didn't see Cooper's eyes.
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The ATC transcripts would seem to indicate it was Cooper's idea.
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I'd argue that he wanted stairs down upon take off for two reasons: 1) It would ensure that he wasn't trapped 2) It increases the distance that the authorities would have to search for you because they'd have to assume he jumped anywhere between takeoff in Seattle and landing in Reno; he wasn't aware the pressure bump was going to give him away, obviously.
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I’d be interested in seeing that. Perhaps FlyJack could find that as well. I just looked through her 302’s and couldn’t find it. In both of her 302’s this is the initial demand from Cooper.
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I’m aware of what you’re saying. He even says “they can lower it from the cockpit” (obviously incorrect and maybe a brain fart thinking it was like a C-130) However, what Fly is saying is that Cooper First wanted stairs lowered AFTER takeoff Then wanted stairs lowered BEFORE takeoff Then wanted stairs lowered AFTER takeoff. If you read it verbatim that is the correct sequence of events. So I was asking him if there was anything else other than the one communication I highlighted to indicate he ORIGINALLY wanted stairs lowered after takeoff (because neither the witness statements nor anything in the ATC logs indicate this initial desire for stairs to be lowered after takeoff)
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So Harrison writes "lowered in flight" as opposed to "lowered after takeoff". Is it possible that this is a misinterpretation and what 305 was actually saying was "hey this guy wants us to be flying with the stairs lowered while we are airborne (after takeoff)". The next communication about the stairs comes from flight ops saying "don't worry about it, you can fly with the stairs down". I agree with your timeline if you read it literally, but the fact that we are missing the part of who chose to put the door down, coupled with Rat and Tina saying he wanted door down from the get-go, makes me think there might be a miscommunication or misinterpretation happening. Is there anything else that would indicate that he originally wanted stairs lowered in flight other than that one sentence?
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I assume that your theory would require that he arrived at PDX via an inbound flight, perhaps the same day or the day before? One would traditionally assume that he jumped where he did to be near where his original transportation was, but if your theory is that he intended to jump far away from Portland then that presumes that he didn't have any ground transportation waiting for him at Portland.
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I do agree with you on the timeline now that I've really taken the time to look at it. Interesting. I've never really dived into the ARINC much, but it does seem like he initially wanted stairs lowered AFTER takeoff in his initial demand. That's not indicated by anyone's testimony, but the ARINC seems pretty clear. And to your point that I quoted, I can't find anything that indicates who suggested door down either, it's like all the sudden they are discussing the door being down. I assume it was Cooper's idea since he appears to be the one bitching about it when informed that it wasn't practical. I'm unclear about what this "insistent with stairs in 1 deg" means.
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How do you square that with both of Tina’s 302’s and Rat’s 302 which makes that whole scene appear to be them telling Cooper that takeoff couldn’t be done safely with door down and that this is what made him change his mind, ultimately resulting in him demanding that Tina stay behind. In your scenario he has an epiphany once they decide on Reno, making it wholly his idea to change his mind about the stairs. The way they tell it they are basically having to twist his arm about it and he only begrudgingly accepts it and isn’t too happy about it. Just curious how you square that since they seem to be disparate scenarios.
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Either he’s truly ignorant of basic Cooper facts (no D-rings) or he knows better and is incompetent at pulling off a hoax (failing to ensure that the planted chute didn’t have D-rings). Which do you think?
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We don’t even know if any of these statements are his words verbatim, so what a fruitless exercise this is. Even if we were certain that they were verbatim it would still be fruitless.
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for anyone wondering, it wasn't the DC Crime Lab that destroyed the cigs, but Vegas at some point when they got them back. This indicates that DC sent Q1 back to Vegas after testing.
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Wasn’t Tom Kaye identified as having his DNA on some Cooper item?
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It's page 264
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I'm referring to the passengers: Bill, Gregory, Spreckel, Lab, and House.
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We have the "canonical five" plus I'm quite certain I've ID'd Richard Simmons' statement (Vault 22, Page 4). We're missing the rest of these. We do have two that have yet to be ID'd, which are in Vault 22, page 3 and page 5. I've not come across any other unidentified witness statements from that night in the Vault. Maybe FlyJack has.
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This Derham guy was a midwestern skydiver. From Chicago Tribune in 62
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Yes, I understand what Q1 and Q2 are and I understand that Vegas destroyed Q1 at some point (DC did not destroy them and sent them back to Vegas in 71). I'm just hoping there is an official 302 from Vegas in 71 (or whenever they destroyed Q1) saying they destroyed it. So far the closest we have to that are these docs.
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Indeed. I’d like to see more 302’s regarding the hair slide. The last time it pops up in a 302 is 1985. It’s called “Q2” in the 302’s. Also, 302’s of the missing passenger interviews. We are missing about 10 of them. Also, the 302 from Vegas to Seattle confirming that they destroyed the cigarettes. Should be from 2002-2003 time frame.
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I can see why they might be interested in Catalano. He bears a close resemblance to KK5-1.
