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Some of my videos are made speaking in very general terms for a general audience. That video was one of them. The detail that you're getting into is far too deep in the weeds to spend any time on in such a generalized video. Both containers were created originally for military use, not for civilian skydiving. I was trying to dispel the notion that Cooper had some major choice between two totally different types of backpacks, nothing more. Only dorks like you and I care about the weeds. No need to bring that into a 7 minute video, you know?

Everything in that article comes from Skyjack

Everything in that article comes from Skyjack

I see. Thanks for clarifying.

So we really don’t know how many bills were there? Is that what you’re saying?

I understand your overall premise, but I don’t think any of that really explains why he wouldn’t have just started out closer to Mexico to begin with. The longer you stay inside the plane the more time law-enforcement has to coordinate against you. I guess I’ll make the argument for you. You could argue that perhaps he did begin his day closer to Mexico. Maybe the plane he originally intended to hijack was a flight from Phoenix to Portland or something like that.

I'm still curious about why he wouldn't have just hijacked closer to Mexico if that's where he wanted to jump.

Yes, I'm including Soderlind. The NWA search map, etc., was made once they realized that the pressure bump/oscillations were Cooper jumping. We have no evidence that anyone was acting in real time under the belief that the 8:11 call was the hijacker jumping. Himmy was in a helo trying to CHASE 305, but they gave up.

Yes, he may have said something privately to his crewmates, but I doubt that he notified ATC or anyone else about it. This belief is based on a few reasons. First, we have a full interview with Rat on Nov 30th where he said the crew had no indication Cooper was gone until landing in Reno. Second, nothing is written by the NWA note takers about the HJ possibly jumping. The pilots saying that they think the hijacker just jumped is something that they all 100% would have written down. So we can pretty much guarantee that Rat didn't say anything to NWA about their belief that the HJ just jumped. Would he have said something to ATC but NOT to his bosses about this? Nah. Lowenthal's 4:11 timestamp is circled but that must surely be something done after the fact since there is no discussion about it. Third, the behavior of everyone AFTER the oscillations call. None of the crew nor NWA nor ATC are behaving in a way that is commiserate with a belief that the HJ had jumped. There isn't any language like "if he is still back there". There are no "ifs" and no discussion about going in the back to check or anything like that. If Rat had planted the seed that the oscillations were from Cooper jumping, then there certainly would have been some discussion about "if" he was still in the back. Fourth, if that seed was planted right after Cooper jumped, then law enforcement would have been notified in Clark and Cowlitz counties. The FBI would have been notified as well, yet we don't see that anywhere in the files. What it ultimately boils down to for me is that we don't see a single shred of evidence from anyone acting in real time from 8:11 to 11:02 that would make us think that they had any notion whatsoever that Cooper jumped at 8:11. The copycat hijackings provide us with a view of what real time law enforcement action is like after pilots report a belief that the hijacker jumped. We don't have that with Cooper. I have no doubt that they likely discussed it amongst themselves, but he must have morphed what he said privately over time into notifying ATC. I don't know.

He was assigned 305 at Toledo. When 305 was handed off to him, 305 accidentally switched to the wrong frequency. So he spent 14 minutes trying to make contact with 305. All this business about the frequency is way out of my wheelhouse, so I could be wrong on that

This is very convoluted, but - A guy contacts him out of the blue saying that he was an FAA trainee ATC controller who, for some reason, was at McCord that night. - This guy, who said he was doing ATC on 305 from Seattle to Toledo, says he heard the “mark it on your shrimp boats” line and that with a grease pen he then circled where the plane was and it was near Chehalis. - Eric talks to Cliff Ammerman who said that 305 what was turned over to him at Toledo (ostensibly making this new guy the ATC handler before it was turned over to Ammerman) - Ammerman’s first actual communication with 305 was at 8:13 (this is in the ATC transcript) - Since Cooper jumped before Ammerman picked up 305 (at 8:13), then Eric takes this as verifying this new guy’s story about Chealis since Chehalis isn’t far from Toledo. - Eric goes on about how this disproves the timestamps on the FBI map. - I pointed out to Eric that we don’t have to rely on the timestamps from the FBI map, we can look at the numerous notes that were taken by several people who are monitoring 305’s location and writing down the times when these locations were reached. For example, I pointed out that at 8:18, we have three different people writing down that 305 was 23 miles south of PDX. I explained to Eric that if Cooper jumped at Chehalis at 8:12ish, then 305 would still be north of Longview at 8:18. - He then says he thought about it overnight and realized that just because Ammerman was handed 305 when they were approaching Toledo that this doesn’t mean that Toledo was when or where he first talked to them at 8:13 (duh). it’s really twisted and convoluted to follow, but that’s the gist. I don’t know who this new guy is, but I don’t trust it because of him saying that he heard the “mark it on your shrimp boats” line. I don’t see how or why anyone working ATC on 305 that night would’ve heard that line (if Rat even said it to begin with) because from 7:59 to 8:13, 305 was on the wrong ATC frequency. They were basically broadcasting to no one at ATC during that time (which is why they didn’t hook up with Ammerman until 8:13). It’s just all nonsense

Onalaska to be more precise…

Oh dear. Now Eric believes Cooper jumped in.....CHEHALIS!!!! C'mon Eric.

In the future when making this argument, it'd be more accurate for you to state that the "refueling stop" made him change his plan, not "Reno". Reno doesn't seem to be brought up as an option over Phoenix until 7:05. The discussions about stairs occurs at 6:38. Regardless, your argument is still based on an inference, which is fine, but you shouldn't be so aggressive toward others who are doing the same.

And you're assuming that had something to do with Reno. This is an assumption no matter how you cut it. Your argument is based on an assumption, and that's totally fine, but it's still a complete and total assumption on your part that him wanting stairs lowered at takeoff was affected by the refueling stop.