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Some can but your fat ass won't love Voodew Did you get your rig yet? The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

punch a grommet in the suit near your hip and route the cutaway handle there - if anything snags it - you pull the cutaway it will come loose Thats how my smoke brackets work The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

It will work fine - but you will lose parts - if it was only 1 side you wouldn't lose any parts - that is if you can find the bracket itself The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

Why not just cut away one side? - Maybe less pull force? Have you thought of a reason why to cutaway both sides? I like it - nice thought process in the building of all of it The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

They will be here soon - There has been one copy to hit the US so far --- I promise its worth the wait Come to Texas and you can view it Texican style The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

This video is simply amazing - the flights / the scenery / the numerous camera angles all come together for one of the most professionally done skydiving videos to date. This obviously was not just a home edit job but something where it appears professionals were brought in to take this video from great to amazing - after watching the video it will leave you in awe and wishing you could have the kind of fun Robi and his crew enjoy. There are video angles from a belly mount camera / foot mount camera / front and rear facing head mount and it all comes together nicely Check it out if you get a chance - you will not be disappointed The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

Matt the pictures of Mike don't help the cause The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

Its no big deal just stay collapsed until you see the tail - don't jump up! Should be the same exit you do out of an otter or caravan You can hit the tail of a PAC --- you can also hit the tail of an Otter And be geared up completely when you get in the plane it is fast and it is cramped for space! I would want to know what are your emergency exit procedures if you have to get out low? leg wing still on? Arm wing still on? The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

Kind of unrelated but I felt it belongs in this thread - I have just become a dealer for Tony Suits and I am now a full member of Flock U - I am still waiting for my WSI number I have decided that eating well is not for me and I am about to be a full time professional skydiver so if you want me to teach you anything have cash in hand - I am here for you (and your money) The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

Yeah but what do the Dutch know This video is really turning heads (even the camera mans throughout the jump) The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

here it is again - be sure to read what people are saying http://i.gizmodo.com/...-launch#viewcomments The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

Somebody with such limited experience shouldn't think so much -- just be a follower like the rest Butters with your limited experience --- I AM IMPRESSED - you can think outside the hype The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

I am not really sure how your example pertains to this but: No I would charge for the part and the labor but not the trip charge - I assume your talking about you were there shooting video and the pics were the thermostat? If that is the case - if you gave the video then charge for the pics - if you gave nothing then I what is your point. I simply think the free ride shouldn't be there - for your slot give a product - you were paid a slot for what - because you have a camera helmet? I wear one on every jump does that mean I should never pay for my slot? But on the flip side yesterday I went and replaced batteries in a programmable thermostat (batteries supplied by the home owner) which wasn't working I shook the homeowners hand and told him to call me when he had a real problem --- no charge While we're at it - warranty - I have to spend my labor to fix a unit under manufactures warranty that I put in - parts are provided but labor is not - once again the cost of doing business - There is no warranty in skydiving - if the camera doesn't work you give a refund correct? Yeah didn't think so You will not find anyone who will dispute what I have done / continue to do for the skydiving world - be it gear at cost - shooting video or stills for free and even paying my own slot - giving away wingsuit demo suits that I don't need etc. I do this because its the right way to promote skydiving - and I enjoy helping bring others into this sport I on the other hand think money hungry professional skydivers do a giant disservice! And by the way nice threatening phone call dick head! (not you Spot) it just really proves the point - if you are just promoting wingsuiting as you say why is there a price tag for that promotion In business the promotion costs the contractor money in hopes of making some in the future It seems that from the PM's and posts - that most are in agreement with me and the ones that aren't really just want to skydive for free and claim some sort of right to do so because their name is ............... There is a right and wrong - what's ethical and whats not. Quit thinking about what you might have to pay for and start thinking of the whats right and whats wrong I sleep good at night knowing I have not wronged. If you think this has wronged you in anyway maybe you need to step back and look in the mirror and figure out why you feel that way The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

Scott, This was meant to stir up shit but also make people think about how it all works. Its not about when the DZ comps LO slots or even video slot (which is how it works for 4 way training (RW)) It all has to do with when the jumpers have to pay to put the video guy on the load(yes it might only be $1 but I was never asked or see how its right to pay to put him/her there) - I don't care about when the slots are comped In fact this came to me from an RW event where I was shooting video and was told I could not give away my video /stills (there were 2 video guys)---- I didn't have to pay for packjobs - $35 registration or even $25 jump tickets and some of the jump tickets were more as we went to 18K All I had to do was down load the video and walk away So I emailed pictures against the head video guys wishes as I think its bullshit - to my surprise some of the old time jumpers (in the photos) bitched at me for not charging for video or stills - when I explained how they paid for all my jumping - they kind of changed their tune a bit which made me think.........nobody really thinks about this shit it is just the way it is It really had nothing to do with wingsuit photography but its no different - what gets me is there are some financially stable guys shooting video / taking stills (this means you either have a good job or inherited a lot of money) in both the RW/FF and wingsuit disciplines but they act like if they don't sell a picture they are going to not eat - it comes from once you get paid to skydive you think your better then everyone else and you get addicted to being paid to jump - I know this I was there a few years ago - I was an asshole.......hard to believe I know Scott your posts when meant to be are really thought out and well spoken while I just fly off spewing vile through the keyboard - I will agree most of the time I just get bored and want to watch what happens from my posts - BUT THERE IS ALWAYS SOME TRUTH TO WHAT I WRITE! I am not here to make friends - I have friends - I don't always try to piss off people but if I do I don't care - its the internet and its fun to get everyones panties in a wad when I call bullshit on what is being said. There are so many followers and so few leaders and the leaders really don't know how to lead they only know how to self promote for there own benefit. Most recent perfect example: Wingsuit shuttle jump --- the video was horrible yet comments were how great it was -- it was not -- then it was said well it wasn't Matt or Scotty ----- Well it wasn't Matt but who do you think was shooting video of Jeff and Mike? That is what happens when all the newer guys look up to the gods of wingsuit - you can do no wrong ------ we all know that the wingsuit god did wrong to the greatest level - we just don't talk about that. The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

Stupid example you have there but I will make the most of it - I gave the estimate for free - I come to your place spend my labor and time and gas to give you an estimate in hopes of getting your business THAT WOULD BE YOUR SLOT If I get the job we have a deal and my price is my price (if you try to fuck me out of the signed contract just to be a dick I file a lien on your house) THIS WOULD BE ME SAYING I WANT TO BUY YOUR PICTURES (for the price quoted) If you don't like my price or me, I am out my time and gas for coming to give the estimate --- KNOWN AS THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS - YOU WIN SOME YOU LOSE SOME If I don't like your pictures or head shaking video I turn them down - YOU ARE OUT THE COST OF THE SLOT ---- ONCE AGAIN KNOWN AS THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS - YOU WIN SOME YOU LOSE SOME But you always have the options of painting your ass black or getting a sex change and becoming a woman - calling your self a minority and have the government subsidize the job.............oh wait that hasn't happened in skydiving yet - but it sure does in the business world I am done now! you have tried with stupid examples which don't make much sense in the real world (thats where I live/ work / mortgage etc) Go back to your vacation (thats where you live as the professional skydiver) The poll pretty much sums it up -- its time for change The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

When I was LO at Waller a few years ago for a wingsuit weekend - I didn't pay for a single jump I bought pizza for the flock at the end of the day $100.00 worth (5 jumps).........they had nothing to carry home but they had full bellies for the ride home And normally the LO is comped by the DZ not charged to the jumpers on the jump. That was the case in Waller but I felt like it was my duty for coming to a DZ which was not my home and getting free jumps.....its just the way I roll At Skyfest where we were given LO slots I provided free beer at my RV for anyone who wanted to come and even grabbed the poor bastards camping in the down pour and gave them a place to stay - we also gave away 5 LO slots to be raffled for free FFC Skydiving is a hobby not a job - rape the tandems all you want but leave the experienced jumpers alone they have already paid their money and put in their time Matt - this is not directed at you in any way just a reply The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

So if I understand you correctly - you give a copy of the video? or you just let it be viewed and then take it away? If you give a copy of the video without charging extra then you have given 'product' for your slot being covered - understandable if you then want to charge for stills -- if you don't give a copy of the video then I don't see the justification for having your slot covered The issue is slot covered and nothing given in return This isn't meant to piss anyone off even though it has -- I just want someone to explain why its the way it is and so far all the arguments have fallen way short The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

Do Texicans stir up shit? Damn that was probably over your head so the answer is: everything tastes good with beenie weenies The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

You say that like its a bad thing ---- working a 'normal' job and having material things is a choice, so is not having a real job (working as a professional skydiver) and bitchin' because you don't have any money. I personally don't feel sorry for the ones that try to make a living skydiving - I work my ass off at a normal job don't drink every night - get up at the crack of dawn and because of this I eat steak and lobster while the pro skydiver eats beenie weenies If you chose the beenie weenies so be it, just stop feeling sorry for the choice you made and how you can't get a head Someday the pro skydiver will be done skydiving and then have to figure out what he/she is going to do next. Then I guess you'll get my money in the form of welfare that my taxes pay for The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

So here it is spot - that is not my sack - that's what happens when you leave your camera laying around - but you seemed so enticed by it I just hated to tell the truth - maybe if you put on your detective hat compare the sack on Scotty's camera (which was left lying around and is my stuff) to the sack on my video and you will be able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that those are not my balls - and in turn you will be able to say you are a genitalia expert Now back to the the poll - well it seems that most (other than the video guys) don't feel they should have to pay for the video slot and then pay for the product also - which is the way it should be - you pay your slot - you sell your products We pay your slot - ............ well that just makes no sense - as I explained it through several PMs it kind of like contractors wanting to get work: I need the work performed and I am willing to pay for it --- but the estimate (slot) is the responsibility of the contractor(video guy in this instance) - what if your product is no good or your tools malfunction or your price is higher than the other contractors and I don't want to use you -- I had to pay for the chance for you to do work for me that I didn't want...............doesn't work in business and it shouldn't work in skydiving I am not saying all the video guys should give there stuff away for free - you have every right to sell it ..... but you should pay your own way if you want to sell your goods Due to this being skydiving and all the crybaby bullshit that comes along with giant egos that are in this sport -- it won't change -- but I just wanted to make people think ---- wake up your being fucked over The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

That is very nice of you Jeff, how thoughtful The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

On bigways the jumpers have a very important job of making sure the video guy has something to record................everyone has a 'job' to do on a skydive - the video guy has the easiest job of all --- the proximity window is very large for the video guy - and even more now with digital crop and cut jobs Not so for the jumpers who have to hold super tight proximity making the formation. So this argument on this point seems to not be valid And I have been in and done video on bigway stuff (video on 30-40 ways) The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

But you and I both know you are not the norm. You think about things and can understand or rationalize...not that the others can't - they just chose not to Edit to add As for the $1 comments - it still adds up to the same amount - so its really $25 to you The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

What I am saying is why have to pay for the product twice? on bigways the video guys slot is covered by everyone on the jump - and then they have to buy the pics (if they want) but did they have the chance to not pay for the video guys slot? No would be the answer. Why are the video guys getting free slots? because they had to buy the gear? well then the free slots add up to cover the gear! That being said all the pictures they sell are for profit - that throws the whole I had to buy the gear shit out the window How about Purple Mike starts charging for you to take his picture? its unavoidable so you have to pay him everytime he sticks his ugly mug in front of the camera - call it a copyright thing Fuck its a free market thing I say we all do that And if this a devaluation thing well then the product wasn't of any value to begin with - and with the new digital cameras and the 'pray and spray' technique its not like it used to be when you had 24 chances to get the shot - now its almost endless Take for instance the 71 way - it was mentioned there were 8000 pictures taken of the record?????? there were only maybe 30 seconds of the record that pictures even needed to be taken...............hence the pray and spray digital camera technique The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid

So the trend seems to be - the video guy gets free slots on jumps - then if you want a picture you have to pay for it How does this make sense at all? When I shoot video and stills and my slot is paid for - all my pictures and video are free for those on the jump - they paid for them when they bought my slot, I don't print them out - I just email them the ones they want or all of them if they want. I know a few holy than thou video guys out there that think they deserve all these little perks - So how do the jumpers who are paying for it feel about this free market enterprise? This isn't meant to be a troll - I just really refuse to pay for pictures when I paid for the free jump of the video guy and I don't see how it is justified opinions?????? multiple opinions are ok and you don't have to post so no one will think bad of you later The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid