Bignugget

stop being obtuse. Of course it's harder. (unless you use a high quality carbide bit and a drill with high torque) But can you also understand that the same place you buy that cordless drill sells all the materials needed to make a pipe bomb? The problem isn't with the tools used, it's the violence that is accepted in our society as an acceptable way to get acknowledgement. Reduce the reporting about individuals that do these things. (cut off their 15min of fame even if it's posthumous) Work to reduce violence in cities across the country (start with highest concentrations of all violent crime). Bring back personal accountability. All these are steps that would help more than further firearms restrictions. there we go, a reasonable answer. Of course it is MUCH MUCH MUCH harder to mass kill with a cordless drill than a gun. Of course pipe bombs are bad, and they are already banned. No pipe bombs allowed for "home defense" No "right to bear pipe bombs" I agree pipe bombs are also tools that make killing easy. They are banned, and should stay banned. Guns should be banned also. Will people still use pipe bombs even though they are banned? Sure. Is that a reason to NOT BAN them? No.

For those who want to ban AR-15s, it sure seems to matter, even though rifles are rarely used for crime. Now if we can just get Kallend to agree that it doesn't matter to victims if they're killed with guns or knives or bats, then we'll really be making progress. When we can get you gun nuts to agree that it is way easier/faster/more effective to shoot 12 people than it is to kill them with cordless drills and ping pong balls we will be making progress. When we can get you gun nuts to agree that a crazy person like this man would be much less dangerous if armed with baseball bats, hockey sticks, and samurai swords, than with a shotgun and handgun, then we are making progress. When we can get you anti-2nd Amendment Gun-o-phobes to realize that when someone is bent on a mass killing, that the gun is only one tool. If you take it away, they will use pipe-bombs, swords, IED's or whatever else they can ge their hands on at the time to kill, then we will be making progress. When we can get you to understand that the problem is in our society and not in the availability of guns, then we will be making progress. I understand quite well that a crazy person will do crazy things, and that is extremely difficult to predict and prevent. I acknowledge that it is nearly impossible to stop crazy. Now do you acknowledge that it is harder to kill 12 people with a cordless drill than it is a shotgun? As with anything, it depends on the situation. But that is immaterial. In your world, if you can kill with it, it should be banned. If only in your world there were padded rooms everywhere. And here in lies the problem. I acknowledged your position. When given the chance to acknowledge mine, you instead redefined my position. Now do you acknowledge that it is harder to kill 12 people with a cordless drill than it is a shotgun, regardless of the situation?

I think that. But I want to see them executed summarily by firing squad. Specifically a firing squad armed with cordless drills.

For those who want to ban AR-15s, it sure seems to matter, even though rifles are rarely used for crime. Now if we can just get Kallend to agree that it doesn't matter to victims if they're killed with guns or knives or bats, then we'll really be making progress. When we can get you gun nuts to agree that it is way easier/faster/more effective to shoot 12 people than it is to kill them with cordless drills and ping pong balls we will be making progress. When we can get you gun nuts to agree that a crazy person like this man would be much less dangerous if armed with baseball bats, hockey sticks, and samurai swords, than with a shotgun and handgun, then we are making progress. When we can get you anti-2nd Amendment Gun-o-phobes to realize that when someone is bent on a mass killing, that the gun is only one tool. If you take it away, they will use pipe-bombs, swords, IED's or whatever else they can ge their hands on at the time to kill, then we will be making progress. When we can get you to understand that the problem is in our society and not in the availability of guns, then we will be making progress. I understand quite well that a crazy person will do crazy things, and that is extremely difficult to predict and prevent. I acknowledge that it is nearly impossible to stop crazy. Now do you acknowledge that it is harder to kill 12 people with a cordless drill than it is a shotgun?

For those who want to ban AR-15s, it sure seems to matter, even though rifles are rarely used for crime. Now if we can just get Kallend to agree that it doesn't matter to victims if they're killed with guns or knives or bats, then we'll really be making progress. When we can get you gun nuts to agree that it is way easier/faster/more effective to shoot 12 people than it is to kill them with cordless drills and ping pong balls we will be making progress. When we can get you gun nuts to agree that a crazy person like this man would be much less dangerous if armed with baseball bats, hockey sticks, and samurai swords, than with a shotgun and handgun, then we are making progress.

You can have my electric drill when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. Why do you keep going back to electric drills? The gun loving assertion here in SC is that CORDLESS drills are the deadly ones. While I tend to think the guy would have had trouble killing 12 people in the same amount of time with a CORDLESS drill....you are probably right, its probably just as likely.

I think people who want to hurt people will find a way to hurt people. I think its a lot harder to hurt people with cordless drills and baseball bats than guns. I know you think they are equally as deadly.

I think hes upset after reflecting on pulling that gun on some skittle craving youngsters back in the day. But for the record "motherfucking" is insulting "motherfuckin' " is a term of endearment. Id move to Uzebekibekibekistan with Don and Herman Cain any day.

Personally I think the outcome woulda been different if he had to use cordless drills and baseball bats to carry out his attack. Instead of being able to buy a shotgun the day before you go on a rampage while hearing the guys microwave talk to you through the walls.

We've discussed this from time to time here in SC, where we routinely solve all the world's problems; the problem is the world doesn't listen. There are societal issues at play for sure. Easy access to guns, combined with those issues, makes for a toxic brew. Unfortunately there is no easy fix, no way to turn back the clock. There are so many guns out there now, any effort to ban them would just disarm the law abiding. Even efforts to address the societal ills run into conflict with deeply held values of many Americans. Any expenditure of tax dollars on programs to divert kids from a life of crime run head first into anti-tax "let them pull themselves up by their own bootstraps" zealotry. Our predominant system of school funding is programmed for failure: making schools dependent on local property taxes ensures that schools in poor neighborhoods struggle to provide the minimum level of quality, while schools in well-off neighborhoods have resources to cater to every interest. Yet, efforts to take money from rich districts to improve schools in poor districts is fought as "socialism". Even our war on drugs exacerbates the problem it was designed to solve, by ensuring that so many kids grow up in fatherless households. The vast majority of Americans that I have met are generous, considerate, genuinely good people. It seems strange to me, then, that they have built a society that seems so founded on selfish self-interest, where every dime invested in helping actual people to achieve their best potential is resented bitterly. What do I mean by that? As an example, every penny spent on after-school and summer recreational activities for kids is fought against, despite abundant evidence that kids hanging around with nothing to do tend to get into trouble. Then we have to spend twice as much for courts and juvenile detention facilities, but that is funded without a bat of an eye. This country could be different, if we regarded that kid in a hoodie as a potential doctor instead of as a thug. In my dreams, I guess. Don You motherfuckin' commie socialist bastard. Why don't you move to Uzbekibekibekistan where that kind of nonsense is embraced.

I'm just not a rocket scientist.

I've noticed you like to generalize things. Do you think Normiss would pull his gun out at anyone approaching him? There's a big difference between thugs (who notoriously carry weapons and commit crimes) and a friendly neighbor or a small kid who is lost and cant find her mommy. Use some common sense here. What does the "thug" group do differently than the "non-thug" group? How do you, as an unfamiliar visitor, determine the "thug" and "non-thug" group? None of the groups are going to be familiar to you in appearance, composition, behavior, attitude, etc. I think some people are generalizing for sure. My point is that you had no idea the guy coming to rob you was going to do that..... ..or you would have ran away.....or killed/scared/shot/threatened him if you had your gun while he was still far away. So I fail to see how you being armed helps you unless you are prepared to just pull the gun out any time someone starts to approach you that seems unfamiliar, or you plan to engage in close quarters combat with guns.

When did I say you dont travel? I asked, I didn't say you do not travel. That's not irony. What would you do then, in an unfamiliar very large city, running on low fuel and an extremely busy interstate? Yea yea I get it, you wouldn't get low on fuel in an unknown city, etc etc. Typical skydiver mentality, it'll never happen to me because I wouldn't be there in the first place. Shit does happen sometimes. No one can be 100% prepared all the time, including you. Wendy I'm glad you've never been somewhere that makes you uncomfortable. I can't say the same, and having a gun pulled on you while you hand over your wallet is a pretty uncomfortable position. And a better solution to that is a gun battle? Instead of just handing over the wallet? Now of course my solution is remove all the guns so the robber has a less likely chance of having one.... Yours is to gun battle it out with the robber in close quarters? How do you know this person is approaching you only for your wallet? I lucked out that he didn't take violent action as you see so many times (as I'm sure you hear about being from St. Louis). I would rather not be in a shoot out of course, but I think if I was armed he wouldn't have continued to approach me in the first place. I have no idea why he would be approaching me. Just like you had no idea why he was approaching you. Turns out he approached you to rob you.....at which point there is no distance.....unless you are like Normiss and plan to just pull your gun out anytime someone starts walking towards you. You are right in that the vast majority of people won't continue walking in the direction of a person who randomly pulls a gun out and starts brandishing it.

When did I say you dont travel? I asked, I didn't say you do not travel. That's not irony. What would you do then, in an unfamiliar very large city, running on low fuel and an extremely busy interstate? Yea yea I get it, you wouldn't get low on fuel in an unknown city, etc etc. Typical skydiver mentality, it'll never happen to me because I wouldn't be there in the first place. Shit does happen sometimes. No one can be 100% prepared all the time, including you. Wendy I'm glad you've never been somewhere that makes you uncomfortable. I can't say the same, and having a gun pulled on you while you hand over your wallet is a pretty uncomfortable position. And a better solution to that is a gun battle? Instead of just handing over the wallet? Now of course my solution is remove all the guns so the robber has a less likely chance of having one.... Yours is to gun battle it out with the robber in close quarters?

So you are saying that he is not a criminal?

I live here, no need to go anywhere. My neighbors know how I feel about guns. What would my stance on guns have to do with someones reaction to me asking them for their gun? Are you more likely to turn your gun over to someone who is pro-gun?

You must live an extremely sheltered life. I urge you to go to the shitty part of whatever city you live in and hang out for a bit. Considering you have some outrageous belief that any "young" person is an absolute angel and thugs and gang bangers don't exist, it might be an eye opening experience. When they approach you, I wouldn't suggest giving hugs and offering candy. Umm, every kid walking down the street isn't a gangbanger. I live on the corner of Ferguson, Berkeley, and Kinloch in North County Saint Louis. Plenty of violent crime around me. They found a murdered decomposing body in an explorer parked in the church parking lot behind my house last month. Saint Louis in general is one of the most violent cities in the nation. Just because I see a group of people walking towards me while I am at the gas station doesn't mean I am about to be raped and pillaged and need to PULL A GUN OUT. Lol. Those were likely some peaceful dudes hanging out in the same place they hang out every day of their life. Normiss came into their neighborhood and pulled a gun on them. Hes the thug. Thankfully they weren't crazy gun lovers as well who felt justified in pulling their guns and shooting Normiss since he had pulled his first threateningly.

Lol. Normiss pulled a gun on some poor kids walking to the gas station to get some food. I would turn and run as well if i was walking to get some food and some crazy person pulls a gun out and screams at me. Great example of why everyone needs a gun.

UGH. Here we go again. You'll notice nobody is saying he used an electric drill. Umm because those are useless in battle. Cordless drills on the other hand....

I figured out the way a long time ago. Ban any and all gun possession, punishable by death immediately. Stop all gun production in the United States. That's how I defend myself against people like you.

Then why do you want to ban guns? America is a violent ass place, where you are more likely to be killed by a gun than if you lived in Yemen. ..

if it stemmed from people like you ignoring the law because you don't like it or understand it, yes. Correct me if I am wrong please. But I don't believe I have to give a list of reasons why I vote a certain way on a jury. Does the judge ask jurors to explain why they voted the way they did? You would never be allowed on a jury. You have proven time and again that you have no respect for the law, and can't follow evidence or jury instructions. I read the jury instructions in this case. Nothing in them would have made a guilty vote invalid. Please point out the parts the judge would note were disregarded if the jury would have come back hung or with a conviction. It's pure nonsense to say the judge would just throw out a guilty verdict in this case. The jury could have convicted him, and he would be sitting in jail while his expensive defense team paid for by you guys works on his appeals.

Sorry to hear some violent asshole attacked you. You keep a gun in the shower with you now? That is even more extreme than most would suggest.

Absolutely not. I've avoided very many acts of aggression by walking away, been in only one fight and it wasn't directly related to me. I think fighting is stupid and a good way to screw your own life up. Having said that though, running out the back door isn't always an option...there's a good chance that someday you'll have to defend yourself or someone else and cannot run. What then? There is a good chance someday I will be in a life and death fight with someone? You watch too much SpikeTV if you truly believe that. It happens to more than you realize. Running is not always an option. I agree that America is a violent ass place, where you are more likely to be killed by a gun than if you lived in Yemen. But, I still don't believe the majority of Americans are going to face a life and death battle with a random violent predator during their lifetime. I have certainly never seen any statistics or studies to indicate that was likely.

Pretty good chance the special DA would retry the case. When you consider how badly they fucked up in presenting their flimsy case, I think they would have loved to have gotten a hung jury so they could get a do over. Agreed.