rushmc 23 #51 December 27, 2016 quade Wrong again (as usual). I'm simply looking at possibilities. If I believed any of this was imminent, I'd be more than "alarmist." I'd be out of here. As usual, you posted it. And if you really think that is a possibility I feel sorry for you."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #52 December 27, 2016 If you really don't think that's a possibility, then maybe you should revisit history.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolhtairt 0 #53 December 27, 2016 I fully believe that there will never be another civil war for the US. Maybe the alt-right extremists will do some homeland terror attacks but the feds will do their job and shut them down quick. But civil war? HAH. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #54 December 27, 2016 nolhtairtI fully believe that there will never be another civil war for the US. Maybe the alt-right extremists will do some homeland terror attacks but the feds will do their job and shut them down quick. But civil war? HAH. I will be the alt-left long before the alt-right. Just look at the way they are acting now!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #55 December 27, 2016 Channman John Quincy Adams picked John Crittenden, but his nomination was blocked by the Senate until Andrew Jackson took office. Trimble died in August, and Crittenden wasn't even nominated until after not just the Presidential election had finished, but after the Electoral College had voted! Scalia died in february. The Primaries hadn't even kicked off by then. If Crittenden is the best precedent that you can find, then you must agree that the scale of the current obstructionism is absolutely unprecedentedWhich, frankly, is irrelevant anyway. Precedent in political behaviour has nothing to do with whether that behaviour is right. Andrew 'Tears' Jackson and his supporters in congress did a lot of things, many of which I would hope you definitely do not want to see done again...Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SivaGanesha 2 #56 December 29, 2016 One of the odd things about this election was that all the noise surrounding the election especially Trump seemed to deflect attention from the most obvious facet of the election: the advanced age of the three main candidates--Trump (70), Clinton (69), and Sanders (75). Very odd poll in that America has just elected the oldest dude ever to sit in the Oval Office and yet there is no option for him failing to serve his term by dying in office, except by assassination. My vote would indeed be for Trump dying of natural causes. For all that he focused on Clinton's supposed health issues, I didn't think Trump looked all that well himself during the debates, especially the second debate. Trump also seems significantly overweight and that will catch up to him as he ages. Reagan seemed much more physically fit at the same age."It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #57 December 29, 2016 Average lifespan for US male hovers around 77. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy I would expect the President (generally) to have access to medial care better than average. He ought to make it just based on his age.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #58 December 29, 2016 SivaGaneshaOne of the odd things about this election was that all the noise surrounding the election especially Trump seemed to deflect attention from the most obvious facet of the election: the advanced age of the three main candidates--Trump (70), Clinton (69), and Sanders (75). Very odd poll in that America has just elected the oldest dude ever to sit in the Oval Office and yet there is no option for him failing to serve his term by dying in office, except by assassination. My vote would indeed be for Trump dying of natural causes. For all that he focused on Clinton's supposed health issues, I didn't think Trump looked all that well himself during the debates, especially the second debate. Trump also seems significantly overweight and that will catch up to him as he ages. Reagan seemed much more physically fit at the same age. "If elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency." -- Dr. Harold Bornstein"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #59 December 30, 2016 Quote I didn't think Trump looked all that well himself during the debates, especially the second debate. Trump also seems significantly overweight and that will catch up to him as he ages. Reagan seemed much more physically fit at the same age. Nonsense! Trumps blood test results are astonishingly excellent, his strength is extraordinary and he is, unequivocally, the healthiest individual ever elected to the office of President. Reagan fitter? What you say is obviously impossible!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #60 December 30, 2016 jakee Quote I didn't think Trump looked all that well himself during the debates, especially the second debate. Trump also seems significantly overweight and that will catch up to him as he ages. Reagan seemed much more physically fit at the same age. Nonsense! Trumps blood test results are astonishingly excellent, his strength is extraordinary and he is, unequivocally, the healthiest individual ever elected to the office of President. Reagan fitter? What you say is obviously impossible! And clearly Teddy Roosevelt was a pussy by comparison.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #61 December 30, 2016 quadeAverage lifespan for US male hovers around 77. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy . That's life expectancy at birth. Once you get past infant mortality and teenage boys dying in accidents, it goes up. A 70 y/o US man in 2016 can expect to live to 86. www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #62 December 30, 2016 Oh sure, crush the dreams of people waiting for sweet relief.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #63 December 30, 2016 ryoder "If elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency." -- Dr. Harold Bornstein "We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College." — Donald Trump on Sunday, December 11th, 2016 in an interview on "Fox News Sunday" Just by saying something, does not make it so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolhtairt 0 #64 December 30, 2016 Erroll*** "If elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency." -- Dr. Harold Bornstein "We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College." — Donald Trump on Sunday, December 11th, 2016 in an interview on "Fox News Sunday" Just by saying something, does not make it so. He DID have a massive victory in the electoral college. Come on, it wasn't even close. He won a few key swing states, including one that had voted Democrat for what, two decades? Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida were huge wins for Trump. Pretty much only the left coast, New England and Illinois voted mostly Democrat which is where a large portion of the population resides. That's pretty much where Clinton's two million plus advantage in the popular vote came from. But the way POTUS elections are set up, the electoral votes spreads out states' power a bit more evenly, preventing large populated states from over-influencing the election. What I find funny is that there was never as much an outcry against the electoral college in previous elections when the popular vote went to the other candidate. This may well be a record for the largest popular vote margin and still lose. But hey, it is what it is. That's the way the system is set up. But yes. Trump DID HAVE a massive landslide victory in the electoral college vote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #65 December 30, 2016 QuoteBut yes. Trump DID HAVE a massive landslide victory in the electoral college vote. Except for the fact that he didn't. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #66 December 30, 2016 nolhtairt****** "If elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency." -- Dr. Harold Bornstein "We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College." — Donald Trump on Sunday, December 11th, 2016 in an interview on "Fox News Sunday" Just by saying something, does not make it so. He DID have a massive victory in the electoral college. Come on, it wasn't even close. He won a few key swing states, including one that had voted Democrat for what, two decades? Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida were huge wins for Trump. Pretty much only the left coast, New England and Illinois voted mostly Democrat which is where a large portion of the population resides. That's pretty much where Clinton's two million plus advantage in the popular vote came from. But the way POTUS elections are set up, the electoral votes spreads out states' power a bit more evenly, preventing large populated states from over-influencing the election. So it's better that underpopulated areas over-influence the election. Places like deserts, swamps and mountains. Better to have minority rule.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #67 December 30, 2016 nolhtairt He DID have a massive victory in the electoral college. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/dec/12/donald-trump/donald-trumps-electoral-college-victory-was-not-ma/ Scroll down to the chart."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #68 December 30, 2016 QuoteWhat I find funny is that there was never as much an outcry against the electoral college in previous elections when the popular vote went to the other candidate. Really? Because honestly I remember a lot of people being pretty pissed off about Bush/Gore. And Trump himself was absolutely livid when he wrongly thought Obama lost the popular vote to Romney,Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolhtairt 0 #69 December 30, 2016 jakeeQuoteWhat I find funny is that there was never as much an outcry against the electoral college in previous elections when the popular vote went to the other candidate. Really? Because honestly I remember a lot of people being pretty pissed off about Bush/Gore. And Trump himself was absolutely livid when he wrongly thought Obama lost the popular vote to Romney, You're kidding me? The liberals have been hysterical since Trump won. I've never seen this level of wailing before. Now back to the electoral vote... Trump needed 270, and he got 306. Maybe not a landslide or massive win, but it certainly was decisive. He won the three pivotal states - FL, PA and MI. Winning those was a slap in the faces of the Democrats. And Kallend, wah wah wah. Them's the rules. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #70 December 30, 2016 nolhtairtMaybe not a landslide... So, stop calling it a landslide. Simple.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #71 December 30, 2016 Explain to us why it is appropriate that a citizen resident in Wyoming has far more clout in choosing the president than a citizen who resides in New York, if it is a self evident truth that "all men are created equal" and we have a "government of the people by the people for the people".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 380 #72 December 30, 2016 Quote...wah wah wah. Them's the rules. No-one is seriously disputing that Trump won under the existing rules. On the other hand it is worthwhile to periodically reexamine "the rules". Why were "the rules" created in the first place? Are they still achieving their intended purpose? Is there a better way to achieve that purpose? Do we even still want to achieve that purpose? Have "the rules" become counterproductive? In 1960, well within the lifetime of many people still living, Jim Crow was "the rules" in much of the country. "That's just the way it is" was a common refrain. People who gained an advantage from those rules were all to ready to overlook the obvious inconsistency with the principles this country was supposed to be guided by. Which statement do you think best embodies the spirit and principles of the USA? 1. One Kansas farmer is worth five Californian city dwellers. 2. All American citizens are equal. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #73 December 31, 2016 GeorgiaDonQuote...wah wah wah. Them's the rules. No-one is seriously disputing that Trump won under the existing rules. On the other hand it is worthwhile to periodically reexamine "the rules". Why were "the rules" created in the first place? Are they still achieving their intended purpose? Is there a better way to achieve that purpose? Do we even still want to achieve that purpose? Have "the rules" become counterproductive? In 1960, well within the lifetime of many people still living, Jim Crow was "the rules" in much of the country. "That's just the way it is" was a common refrain. People who gained an advantage from those rules were all to ready to overlook the obvious inconsistency with the principles this country was supposed to be guided by. Which statement do you think best embodies the spirit and principles of the USA? 1. One Kansas farmer is worth five Californian city dwellers. 2. All American citizens are equal. Don Farmers are OK, but still... How about: 1. One Kansas unemployed bum is worth five Californian farmers.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royreader8812 0 #74 December 31, 2016 Quote 1. One Kansas unemployed bum is worth five Californian farmers So you think new York and California deciding the fate of the entire country is fair... So much for all being equal. It is all in the name 'United States of America' Just think about that name for a second. Not sure how 'united' it would be if a few state's called the shots for everyone. These bigger populations have bigger debt also. So go ahead, have a big population, get into debt... call all the shots. Sounds fair! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #75 December 31, 2016 Yes, much better to live in a theocracy with a king.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
