lawrocket 3 #26 January 22, 2013 How many women do these shootings that we are trying to prevent? No, I’m not talking about shootings of the expendables in the inner cities. I’m talking about mass murders or spree murders. I can only think of one (at a postal facility in Goleta a few years back) where the shooter was female. Why are we including women in the discussion? Aren’t they getting hosed as much as anyone? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #27 January 23, 2013 QuoteHow many women do these shootings that we are trying to prevent? No, I’m not talking about shootings of the expendables in the inner cities. I’m talking about mass murders or spree murders. I can only think of one (at a postal facility in Goleta a few years back) where the shooter was female. Why are we including women in the discussion? Aren’t they getting hosed as much as anyone? Mothers who leave their guns around for their crazy kids to use need to be addressed. (Lanza, for the slow among us).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #28 January 23, 2013 Quotecrazy kids ooh so now you agree he's crazy. When I said it, you guys railed me for saying that. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bignugget 0 #29 January 23, 2013 Quote Quote a joint cant slaughter a room of school kids AFAIK. No but, it will surely stone them. AFAIK, stoning is against the law in this country.They'll stone you when you're trying to be so good They'll stone you just like they said they would They'll stone you when you're trying to go home They'll stone you when you're there all alone But I would not feel so all alone Everybody must get stoned lol, touche' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #30 January 23, 2013 QuoteQuotecrazy kids ooh so now you agree he's crazy. When I said it, you guys railed me for saying that. Not me. I didn't need convincing he's crazy. But back to the point: The Department of Justice reports, "after reviewing hundreds of trace reports associated with guns used in crime recovered in the New Orleans area and interviewing known gang members and other criminals, ATF Special Agents identified area gun shows as a source used by local gang members and other criminals to obtain guns." In 2003 and 2004, the San Francisco ATF Field Division conducted six general operations at Reno, Nevada, gun shows to investigate interstate firearms trafficking. During these operations, "agents purchased firearms and identified violations related to "off paper" sales, sales to out-of-state residents, and dealing in firearms without a license." The "ATF seized or purchased 400 firearms before making arrests and executing search warrants, which resulted in the seizure of an additional 600 firearms and the recovery of explosives." ATF's Columbus Field Division conducted its anti-trafficking operations based on intelligence from Cleveland police that "many of the guns recovered in high-crime areas of the city had been purchased at local gun shows." Subsequent gun show sting operations resulted in the seizure of "5 guns, one indictment, and two pending indictments for felony possession of a firearm." The state of Ohio is one of the top ten source states for recovered guns used in crime. The ATF's Phoenix Field Division reported that "many gun shows attracted large numbers of gang members from Mexico and California. They often bought large quantities of assault weapons and smuggled them into Mexico or transported them to California." www.justice.gov/oig/reports/ATF/e0707/final.pdf... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bignugget 0 #31 January 23, 2013 QuoteQuote "We" aren't the only country to contend with a "black market" for contraband goods. I know. Every country does. QuoteSOMEHOW, all these other countries with gun control seem to be able to reduce the overall number of guns within their borders (and the rate they blast each others faces off), even with this unstoppable market force at work. Correct. Those are also countries without an equivalent of the Second Amendment. The laws differ (pretty lax in Austria but strict in Germany). Individual rights really aren’t seen as a big deal in most of these places. They also have a history of trusting the governments to have their best interests in mind. Recent histories of having kings, dictators, etc. Even Germany has a history of disarming its population. QuoteASK THEM how they are managing to not have so many guns on the street any asshole can get one to slaughter kids with, and go from there. It could be accomplished here without the First, Second, Fourth, Fifth and 14th Amendments. It’s a problem that these rules have been around for over 200 years and are part of the culture. Recognizing America is different, with a different cutural ethos and different history, may go a long way. To use your example....I am sure Austria and Germany would certainly claim they are different.....yet somehow they both manage to accomplish the same thing. Of course the US is different, and of course we would have to adapt successful methods to work for us... To dismiss any conversation regarding how our peers accomplish the goal, and how those methods could be adopted to assist in our own goals, simply because "we are different" seems intentionally counter-productive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #32 January 23, 2013 Alcohol is a drug,and if I'm not mistaken, it's use actually increased during prohibition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bignugget 0 #33 January 23, 2013 QuoteAlcohol is a drug,and if I'm not mistaken, it's use actually increased during prohibition. I don't know if you are mistaken or not. I was talking about supply, not use. With drugs being illegal, no corporations are farming fields of pot in Colorado to be sold at the local gas station. With guns being legal, plenty are made every day here and sold over the counter at walmart. This was the supply parallel I was drawing. Of course both goods have black markets available from supplies outside our direct control. And people will do whatever people will do, of this there is no debate. I simply suggest with a lower supply you have a less available good, and with a less available good more effort must be undertaken to acquire that good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #34 January 23, 2013 QuoteAlcohol is a drug,and if I'm not mistaken, it's use actually increased during prohibition. Well, that made me curious, so I did a quick Google search. But I'm tired, so I'm going to bed. I'll study the results tomorrow. Anyhow, here are the raw results, for anyone who wants a head start: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=consumption+of+alcohol+during+prohibition&gbv=2&oq=consumption+of+alcohol+during+pr&gs_l=heirloom-hp.3.1.0l2j0i5i30l2j0i8i30l2j0i22l2.4970.14811.0.16824.34.21.1.10.11.0.233.2358.15j2j4.21.0...0.0...1c.1.nYcdGFptB6w Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #35 January 23, 2013 QuoteQuote1% from gun shows.... 39% illegally off the street 39% from family or friend The rest from legal purchases http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf Can anyone find newer stats? I've got to go to work. I expect they all pleaded "Not Guilty" too. Inmates are SO honest. -------------------------------------------------- Yet some lib judge you probably emulate decided it would be way too harsh to inprison these people and let them out early...for them to commit similar crimes after their release. Its a perpetual cycle that seems to have no end, yet you want to be the first person to point fingers when you dont have a clue about what would actually prevent criminals from getting illegal guns in their hands in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #36 January 23, 2013 How much of your income are you willing to spend on keeping prisoners in jail? Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #37 January 23, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuote1% from gun shows.... 39% illegally off the street 39% from family or friend The rest from legal purchases http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf Can anyone find newer stats? I've got to go to work. I expect they all pleaded "Not Guilty" too. Inmates are SO honest. -------------------------------------------------- Yet some lib judge you probably emulate decided it would be way too harsh to inprison these people and let them out early...for them to commit similar crimes after their release. Its a perpetual cycle that seems to have no end, yet you want to be the first person to point fingers when you dont have a clue about what would actually prevent criminals from getting illegal guns in their hands in the first place. Well, for starters I am not inclined to believe that these pond-scum are going to tell the truth about anything. Hence I take the results of this "survey" with a pinch of salt.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #38 January 23, 2013 You mean like the 1% tax hike the middle class got anyway? After all that talk about only wanting to hit the upper class? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 380 #39 January 23, 2013 QuoteYou mean like the 1% tax hike the middle class got anyway? After all that talk about only wanting to hit the upper class?If someone gives you a beer at the DZ, does that mean they are obligated to keep you in beer perpetually? To make is as clear as possible for you, tax holiday = temporary reduction in tax. Holidays come to an end. Returning to the usual tax rate is not an increase. But of course you know that, you just like to complain. Never let facts stand in the way of a good rant and all that. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
