Cheney Edwards Debate

[kallend 2,148]

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Pity Cheney referred to "factcheck.com" when the site is actually "factcheck.org", and said it exonerated him, when in fact it doesn't. Of course that may just have been "bad intel", common excuse for the Bush campaign..

I may not agree with you professor but I wouldn't necessarily discount what you say based on a misspelled or misplaced word. Sounds like you're losing the attack on substance and are now going after the small stuff. Again, I understand. It's very frustrating when the person you're pulling for gets his ass handed to him, you watch the whole thing, and can't do anything about it. Don't worry. It's only 4 more years.

It was simply a comment based on the mastery of facts that was attributed to Cheney. He claimed the site exonerated him, and it doesn't. That is commonly called a lie where I come from.

His mastery of facts is also challenged by such things as This and this and this .

PS factcheck.com is an anti-Bush site run by Soros. Funny that Cheney, the master of facts, directed viewers to an anti-Bush site, don't you think?

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Bitter...very bitter.

4 more years!...4 more years!

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Pity Cheney referred to "factcheck.com" when the site is actually "factcheck.org", and said it exonerated him, when in fact it doesn't. Of course that may just have been "bad intel", common excuse for the Bush campaign..

I may not agree with you professor but I wouldn't necessarily discount what you say based on a misspelled or misplaced word. Sounds like you're losing the attack on substance and are now going after the small stuff. Again, I understand. It's very frustrating when the person you're pulling for gets his ass handed to him, you watch the whole thing, and can't do anything about it. Don't worry. It's only 4 more years.

I've noticed this too. Not just from the Prof. but from others too. I imagine panic is setting in and will get worse the closer we get to the election. I can understand. They still haven't gotten over 2000 and are having trouble dealing with losing again. One of the reasons this election is so critical to the left is because there will be several Supreme's who will retire over the next 4 years and the thought of them being replaced with Justices appointed by a Republican President is driving the Libs insane. My guess is the next 4 years will have a major impact in the direction this country will take for a long time.

[PhillyKev 0]

You guys are funny. He made the comment about the domain of the url being wrong as a tongue in cheek comment. The point of his post wasn't that Cheney got the url wrong, rather that Cheney made a claim that a well known web site supports his claims, when in fact, it does the exact opposite. It's like claiming you got an endorsement from someone who is opposed to you. It was an outright lie.

And you guys are accusing John of ignoring substance and going after the "small stuff". What do you think you're doing by attacking the poster instead of the refuting Cheney's lie? Even if John were just commenting about Cheney's misuse of a word, at least he's talking about one of the candidates, not the opinions of someone else on dz.com. CAN I GET A ROLLING EYE SMILEY

[nacmacfeegle 0]

Help a ferriner out here, the radio (radio Scotland....go figure) said this morning that this is the first time since the sixties that the VPs were even influential in the race. I find this hard to believe.

Is the interest this time round due to Cheney/Iraq etc, or the tightness of the race?

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>Said that until this evening he had never even met Edwards his
> attendance was so poor..

D'oh!

Perhaps Cheney was so unimpressed with Edwards that he simply forgot he had met him. I can understand that.

I know!! Let's have the Democrats highlight their candidates voting records with clever rebuttals like you met someone -- who was supposed to be there all the time -- once or twice before.

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Help a ferriner out here, the radio (radio Scotland....go figure) said this morning that this is the first time since the sixties that the VPs were even influential in the race. I find this hard to believe.

Is the interest this time round due to Cheney/Iraq etc, or the tightness of the race?

I think that's part of it. However, I think the primary reason is due to the seriousness of the global situation we're in right now and how that impacts the security of the US. I think people are very concerned with who is capable of leading us through this time. The Presidents backup is key to that security should anything at all happen to the President.

[akarunway 1]

Liars liars, all their pants outta be on fires
(AP Photo) Meeting Was Not First for Cheney, Edwards
Vice President Dick Cheney, Sen. John Edwards Met Twice Before Debate, Contrary to Cheney's Statement

The Associated Press



CLEVELAND Oct. 6, 2004 — Vice President Dick Cheney said Tuesday night that the debate with Democratic Sen. John Edwards marked the first time they had met. In fact, the two had met at least three times previously.
Cheney made the remark while accusing Edwards of frequent absences from Senate votes.
"Now, in my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate, the presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in session. The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight," Cheney told Edwards during the debate.

On Feb. 1, 2001, the vice president thanked Edwards by name at a Senate prayer breakfast and sat beside him during the event.

On April 8, 2001, Cheney and Edwards shook hands when they met off-camera during a taping of NBC's "Meet the Press," moderator Tim Russert said Wednesday on "Today."

On Jan. 8, 2003, the two met when the first-term North Carolina senator accompanied Elizabeth Dole to her swearing-in by Cheney as a North Carolina senator, Edwards aides also said.

Edwards didn't forget their prayer-breakfast meeting. The Democratic vice presidential candidate noted the discrepancy at a post-debate rally in a Cleveland park, calling it an example of Cheney "still not being straight with the American people."

"The vice president said that the first time I met Senator Edwards was tonight when we walked on the stage. I guess he forgot the time we sat next to each other for a couple hours about three years ago. I guess he forgot the time we met at the swearing in of another senator. So, my wife Elizabeth reminded him on the stage," Edwards said as the crowd roared.

According to Edwards' staff, Cheney replied, "Oh, yeah."

"She reminded him about the truth," Edwards told the crowd, "and come November, we're going to remind him that the American people do not want four more years of George W. Bush."

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[nacmacfeegle 0]

Cool, I'd go with that, cheers.

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Did Edwards just say Israel has the obligation to defend itself against the Palestinians? Yeah, he's gonna reach out to the middle east.

What do you not agree with in Edwards statement concerning Israel? Israel does have an obligation to defend itself against terrorists. As does the US. Do you reach out to the middle east by continually allowing terrorists to kill your people and turning a blind eye? That doesn't sound too responsible to me. A government's 1st responsibility is to the protection of its people and land.

From its inception, Israel was a thorn in the Arab world. I do not think one will not get very far in the Arab world by bringing attention to that thorn irrespective of what your position is on the issue. So, like reaching out to the coalition of the coerced, Kerry's "plan" isn't going to work.

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[rhino 0]

Edwards probably has his head in the ground right now... LOL

[PhillyKev 0]

Talk about flip flopping...

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Kerry is the lesser of the 2 evils I feel..

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I imagine panic is setting in and will get worse the closer we get to the election.

Panic is right. Kerry is already proposing money be set aside for a recount. If that's not damage control, I don't know what is. Crawling deep into the bunker and waiting for the impact.

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Talk about flip flopping...

I posted a while back explaining that I like to see peoples reactions... You are part of that amusement... Thank you for my morning entertainment

As of now, I am still on the fence as to whom I will vote for.. My feet are on Bushes side of the fence..

Rhino

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As of now, I am still on the fence as to whom I will vote for.. My feet are on Bushes side of the fence..

It's just really hard for me to believe that there are people out there still undecided this close to Election Day. I know there are as you've given yourself as an example. It's just bewildering to me.

Edited: I'm a jackass. Sorry. I posted too quick and didn't read enough. I retract my last statement as it relates to you personally. It still baffles me in regards to the undecided people, though.

[kallend 2,148]

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Talk about flip flopping...

I posted a while back explaining that I like to see peoples reactions... You are part of that amusement... Thank you for my morning entertainment

As of now, I am still on the fence as to whom I will vote for.. My feet are on Bushes side of the fence..

Rhino

That's appropriate. Feet stink, and are the farthest part from the brain.

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Cheney did the typical debate thing, where one answers whatever they want to answer, rather than the question asked. Asked about jobs (related to Cleveland unemployment and poverty), Cheney talked about education.

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Cheney talked about education in the context of jobs because he said he believes that it is a very important way to increase employment. If we don't invest in education and make sure that schools are performing for our children, americans will not be qualified and cannot get the good-paying jobs.

A big problem that many companies have is trying to find skilled and educated workers in the U.S. -- since they can't fill these positions with qualified individuals they often have to look to other countries that have the technical skilled workers. That is one of the reasons they are often working to expand worker visa numbers.

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That is one of the reasons they are often working to expand worker visa numbers.

That quota was slashed drastically this year (actually reverted to old quota). Which, in my industry, resulted in lots of projects being sub-contracted overseas...

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[kallend 2,148]

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That is one of the reasons they are often working to expand worker visa numbers.

That quota was slashed drastically this year (actually reverted to old quota). Which, in my industry, resulted in lots of projects being sub-contracted overseas...

Is that like "outsourcing"?

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[kallend 2,148]

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Cheney took Edwards to school tonight. No doubt about it.

Yes, check out the web site Cheney mentioned as telling the truth:

factcheck.com

Really taken to school, I'd say.

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[billvon 3,118]

>It's just really hard for me to believe that there are people out there
>still undecided this close to Election Day.

Believe it. There are plenty of people who don't even know who their own congressmen/senators are, and they have a lot more influcence over those elections.

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Where's she from? I missed it.

I believe she's from PBS.

OH - say it ain't so. Doing a good job as moderator but coming from the biggest hotbed of pinko-liberal commie media!

Don't you watch Washington Week in Review? Gwen Eiful's the host.

....with a capital P and that rhymes with T and that spells TROUBLE!!!

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Is that like "outsourcing"?

The local talent pool is not sufficient, so for the past 2 years, local companies were getting H1 and special ability visas for foreigners to work on projects locally. They now sub-contract (or outsource) to foreign companies. Does wonder to Australia and Europe though!

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

[billvon 3,118]

>Perhaps Cheney was so unimpressed with Edwards that he simply forgot
>he had met him.

Naah, Cheney just had bad intelligence. Fire the director of the CIA again and all will be well.

[billvon 3,118]

>Cheney took Edwards to school tonight. No doubt about it.

Hmm. Polls I've seen are mixed, suggesting a tie.