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Sadly mass deaths and wars do a very good job of leaning out a well educated and well trained working population thus stabilizing things. But things are no longer that easy. Wars can wipe out life as we know it. Simple viruses can become pandemics and collapse economies and nations. WWWIII will be nuclear both in terms of the weapons utilized as well as the effect on the home front. The next plague....look I was in China this past January for two weeks....if they ever get hit with a major virus....it would be bad. Not just for them but also for us here in the US. Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

Trickle on economics. The idea makes sense if and only if there is every increasing demand on goods and services such that the rich and the well to do feel that they can make more money if the invested in means of manufacture and services to meet ever increasing need for goods and services. Works if you have a growing economy and a booming population. we had neither and we are paying the price.. here is how things get worse.....we are fucked! Once you pass a tax reduction it is borderline suicide to take that tax deduction away. Even those who do not obtain any benefit from said tax deduction will fight tooth and nail such that those who do get it continue to get it.....why? Simple, we are Americans and as such we are collectively no smarter than a pile of steamed carrots. We really do think that that given luck and hard work we will be liquid $35mill one day and be on easy street for the rest of our lives! Truth be told, yes a few get lucky. Be it by winning the genetic lottery or having a really freaking good idea and running with it. But the other 99% well...no matter you education or your good idea...odds are you will never be in a position to truly enjoy all those tax benefits associated with those who make well over $500k per year. Thus, I strongly suggest not getting very pissed about this. The bridge was crossed and burned, the earth salted and the sacred lamb sacrificed to feed those who's plates were already full. Only three things can save us, an amazing economic recovery, an amazing politician with back bone or an act of god. I for one am putting my money on god. Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

Dude, you can't even manage your own finances, or articulate a decent thesis. You do seem to have a passing grasp of b-school bullshit bingo going. The only advise I can give you - if you spend all your time complaining about what you can't do, you won't do shit. I'm sorry but what is up with the personal attack here? What do you know about my personal finances? Are you my accountant? I politely asked you for your thoughts on the subject, I did not attack you or any political party not class in particular. I simply put my thoughts on screen regarding how ever increased improvements in efficiency allow employers to make do with much much less human capital all the while reducing over all compensation of the employed due to a vast well educated and hungry pool of workers who are willing able and ready to do the same work for much less money. I'm sure this kind of rebuttal may work on a vast array of spineless gutless democrats and causies who would fall prey to your spin and forgo the crux of the debate. I'm sorry I am not one of those people. Thus I strongly suggest you take a moment take your fingers off he key board maybe take a deep breath and form a coherent concise rebuttal to the question at hand; How does one reach full employment in an era where due to amazing improvements in efficiency a good 20%-40% of the population are nolonger needed to maintain the day to day functions and operations of your average service and goods provider. And if there is no true return to our previous definition of full employment, about 3% unemployment. Can we as a society along with out economy survive the new normal of 20%-40% unemployment? Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

So why did you decide to to become an engineer, and thus turn yourself into your own worst nightmare? 'm an immigrant to this great nation. I have no family here other than my mother, my aunt and my brothers. The key for an immigrant into middle class life are either; start your own business, engineering or medicine. I lacked the funds for medical school and owning a gas station was just not my thing. So like the sea of immigrants from the near and far east....I decided to take the safe bet, and become an engineer. Hardest 5 years of my freaking life! I'm a social person, i enjoy going out, i love knowing "Why" and throwing caution to the wind and seeing where things go....... i was a very round peg in a very square hole. So here I am, the guy who rocks pink and red and blue and yellow men's shirts with the buttons fully done and a real tie in a sea of; one size too big no name polo shirts and dirty kacki pants that are two sizes two small. A guy who doesn't need all the facts to tackle a problem in a world where people want every single variable called out and examined via thousand pages power point slides.....all in hopes that by the time that all the variables are totally evaluated that I as the manager will forget the project and let them go so they don't have to take any risks. Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

So ther we we have come full circle..... So you want to bet your future on a bunch of guys who don't want to answer questions and who lack social skills..... Ah shit we are fucked Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

I'm going to ignore the blatant sexual bias in this statement, and instead ask you to make up your mind. Do you think engineers talk too much, or as your OP in this thread suggests, not at all? Its a known scientific fact that women utilize more words to communicate than men. Further more women tend to contemplate a decision more than men. It is what it is. And engineers seem to answer questions with more questions and as such utilize more words and contemplate more than say business majors. And let's be honest most women prefer decisive men over those who are unsure. And this rephrasing the question over and over again....appears to be indecisive Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

Case in point answer a question with the same question drawn out regurgitated and digested. I ask a business major. Dude lunch? Answer Yeah So there you have it the problem. Ask an engineer Can we go to the moon? And what do you get back? Which moon How would you like to go When would you lime to go How do you feel about going Stfu Just say yes and we will figure out the rest later Maybe this is why the ladies hate engineers.....they freaking talk too much and like so many girls are incapable Of making a decisive decision, Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

Is this what you're learning in night business school? It's so 1995, and has been completely repudiated by companies learning it the hard way. With proper six sima and management tools yes I cn just about ship any job to sea and save a solid 50% in overhead alone. A bit of oversight and I can reduce product costs by 75% This past January I was in Vietnam and well.....Im very sorry things don't look good for a good 80% of us. As I stated and please take into account 1 low and stable energy costs 2 low and stable interest rates 3 vast quantities of well educated work force And nothing new on the horizon to save our asses. Nothing. If you think I pads and apps are going to be our saving grace.....please enlighten me. I would love to be optimistic about the next ten heats but as it stands it does not look good. Not even in nj. We have lost something like 15% of our income over the past 5 years. Add in inflation and well.....it's not good. But please if you have any ideas or thoughts that you feel will pull us out other than spin and calling names please do enlighten Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

I'm sorry but look there is no technical job I can't ship off to Asia today and save 50% of costs and still get the same output. If you are hitching your life on cell phones and smart pads to pull us out of this economy then I'm really sorry but.....really? Back in the 70's we had some sort of manufacturing base. WE had very high energy costs and very high interest rates and our cities and suburbs were not filled and running efficiently yet. Right now interest rates are at 0%, energy costs are low as hell, and both the cities and burbs are fully stabilized. What will trigger us to buy again? And why? I as a manager can improve my income by cutting the staff of any company by a solid 40% tell the remaining people that due to the economy that they will got get paid more for the next 5 years.....and pull in a nice paycheck. IF demand stays constant. And for the most part it has. Sadly from everything I've seen and read...expect 10 years of next to no growth and continued decreased incomes for all in the middle class with inflation floating around 3% to 4%. Sorry boys, unless we find free energy or China dies.....we are fucked! Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

If any one thought that things were stagnant in the 70s was a little lost. Simple hvac developments and other day to day products were being developed along with the price of energy dropping. Look around other than cell phones and pads....we are stuck. And it's a stuck due to physics not due to innovation. Be it solar cells or battery power. Until we find some dirt cheap power or we discover a new continent we are stuck with a highly trained highly agile workforce who every year will make less and less. We are screwed especially if you are middle class. Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

What innovation? There is nothing new to come and don't expect any game changers such as the personal computer or the Internet. We are effectively maxed out. And now here comes the killer. 1 person doing a job of 5 people....or more. And due to no new products being created there are no new fields to absorb these out of work folks. Back in the 70s we were less efficient and there were new fields that were opening up..... But look at this efficient stagnant solid state world we live in. Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

I dont need any legal crap. The documents look very simple Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

We're all so very proud of you. You're a credit to your profession. We talked about this I am a Persian god! But you can just call me shah Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

Sigh I give up. Here I argued how the labor market today can not be expected to recover the economy as quickly or as efficiently as the labor market from the 70's due to ever increasing efficiencies thus making it easier for fewer people to do the work of many...... And this is what we get? My friend is right. As it stands now due to technology 1 person can effectively do the job of 10 people at a 25% lower cost. And if demand is constant or declining...... What will the other 9 people do! Work for less and less while the company makes more and more in profits! Why hire, just keep squeezing and firing until our labor costs are lower than that of china and the poor are dead and the middle class is eating paper? Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

Summer every other sunday when I have time. I'm going for my MBA and have class every Saturday. I'm doing my best. But this summer I'll have more time

Two years ago I made a number of t shirts with a skull and cross pins for my friends who carried my broken ass off the DZ. Since then I've made more, a total of about 50. And some of you have one! Which is all nice! But i've been getting emails from people who wish to use it on various other items ranging from flags to rigs. I think I should trade mark it. Can any one help? Thanks! Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

WOW you are a rocking father! Want to addopt! I'm all paid for! Nah...this is going to suck...I've avoided talking about kids with this one girl for a month now...and I can feel it...she is going to bring it up. FACK FACK FACK! Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

I study history, you guys in the 70's wow! Really WOW! You guys really worked your buts off! But back then things were different. And please allow me to explain why. Back in the 70's you had a finite minimum number of employees every company needed to stay functional. Case in point most engineering offices had say 1 secretary per 10 engineers for time keeping and what not. And for those 10 engineers you probably had a good number of drafts people as well. Let's say for the case of argument every engineer had 2 drafts people for a total of 20. Thus the base work was 1+10+20=32 people minimum for a functional office. Anything above that was wasted resources and as such a good manager would lean out the work force to 32 people in lean times. Doing so would garner him a very nice thank you check from his employer. Eventually the economy heated back up again when energy prices stabilized and those 32 people felt more comfortable and began buying products and services and the economy came back. Now the very same office you have 10 engineers, you don't need a secretary per 10 engineers for now it's 30 engineers to secretary and you really don't need drafts people. So your new minimum work force is 10+0+0=10 people minimum for a functional office. Well let's be honest each engineer can really do more work so your manager then cuts the staff further to 5 engineers and cuts their pay by 10% and picks up another bonus do to their amazing ability to get the same level of work out of a much smaller leaner lower paid work force. As such you have a smaller base of people to rely on to fuel the economic recovery. If and when the economy does recover...which at the moment it's not going to do since well...what is going to get it to come back? Energy prices are stable. Inflation is stable. The world is at peace...what more do you want? And the reason being? Other than the continued culture of bonuses paid to those who downsize faster and quicker than expected? Technology! So yes in a way the 70's were bad! But at least your bottom wasn't mass starvation with little to no hope for recovery. Expect this dead economy to last another 10 years minimum. No joke! 10 years. And expect pays to decrease by 10% per person per year from now till then. So by the time this is done, and all the blood has been sucked from the middle of society....average income in the US per person will be just north of $30k, right now it's $45k. And expect those with the means of production to have amazing power over what and how this country is run. Much as the good old days were back in the early 1900's. Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

For every time an engineer answers a question with another question.....I will go out and kill one random cute animal! I will start with the engineers, dog, cat or ferret That's it! I got it! Why I HATE ENGINEERS! They never give you an answer, they just give you another question. Try it next time. Ask one of them what they want to have for lunch. Odds are they will ask "Well what do we have for lunch?" How about you STFU and just say yes! Example, my brother. Me "Let's put our money together and get our parents a nice 4 day cruise." Engineer Brother "What do you think our parents want for Christmas?" Me "Well I'm not so sure about your culture but in the one I'm familiar with usually you tend to surprise people with gifts that they usually can't afford to get themselves or just haven't had the chance to get yet." EB "So where do you think they want to go?" Me "Yeah your right, you know what.....forget I mentioned it! I'll just guy our step father another set of wool hiking socks and mom some sort of gift certificate to TJmax." EB "Are you sure TJmax is the best........." Me "I'm sorry someone has just walked into my office with a loaded weapon and I think I'll use it to off myself rather than continue this debate." Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

Ha ha ha ha! ROCK ON MAN ROCK ON! Well done! Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

50 mill is that the number of people who are now poor? WOW! That's not right, no matter how you cut it or talk about it that is just not right! I recall speaking to a friend who works for the world bank and asked what would happen in the next 10 years. He said and I quote "The rich will get even richer, the poor will die and the middle class...don't ask." And he works for the world bank and he could see what was happening. You have a system where the upper management rightfully so get's incentivized to improve over all organizational efficiency. As such these folks are doing what makes them the most money, pushing the working resources to produce the same level of output or more at an ever reduced numbers. So you are now locked in a downward spiral of death. Upper management fires people, and gets the remainder to do the same work and gets a nice bonus.....demand drops. To meet expectations of growth, more people are let go and the remainder are asked to do even more, manager gets bonus....demand drops. To meet increased expectations of growth, the remainder are not given a pay increase, prices are held or increased, manager gets a bonus. And the process continues until you have one person making a solid 50% less than they should doing the job of 5 people......and the manager wondering how they can make more money.....because demand is at an all time high. But in the end, the manager is holding all the money and well the employees are....out of a job or worked to death and under paid! Sounds like the early 1900's to me! He said and I quote "The rich will get even richer, the poor will die and the middle class...don't ask." And he works for the world bank and he could see what was happening. You have a system where teh Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

Fack fack fack fack.... Date 3 with a girl...shit she is going to come over, I'm going to make a nice dinner, we are going to watch a nice movie....we will have sex.....and then she is going to ask it! FRACK! I'm just going to say that due to a nut under I can't have kids! Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

I give you a great picture of some EPIC tits...and all you can think of is....."what does NSEF mean? Did he mean NSFW?" God engineers! I mean really! Not even TITS! EPIC FREAKING TITS will make them stop asking dumb questions that make you want to beat them to death with a keyboard! Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

http://www.savagecircuits.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=926&d=1282794155 NSEF... GOD I FREAKING LOVE FAKE TITS! Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

Thank you, I've come close! A few times. The one that had the two masters......god she was amazing! As for engineering chicks.......odds are it won't be oen of them. Saw one today talking to her friend about weight loss while eating cookies. That hurt my brain. Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!