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Before you jump to a conclusion, check out what system many of the top swoop competitors are using. I disagree that you must change your body position, and with a pull out I can toss that PC into clean air every bit as easily as a throw out. I've got at least 1000 jumps loading between 1.8 and 2.3 on zp elipticals, and the only line twists I've ever had were from unstowed toggles (twice). In my opinion the scariest malfunction senario is the horseshoe, and also IN MY OPINION the pullout is the better system to avoid it. This does not remove the need or responsibility to take other preventitive measures (i.e. proper closing loop length, new closing loops, proper canopy/container fit, ect.) Botom line is everyone needs to be a thinking skydiver, and with all possible respect to Mr. Bill Booth or anyone else with an opinion, I do not abide by anyone doing making a decision just because someone else has made it before you. Evaluate ALL opinions and make your own decision. Again, there is nothing wrong with either system, simply evaluate which is better for yourself. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Check what Quade said in his post and I will add this: The person being riden can get in a squat in the door facing foward and put one hand on either side of the foward door frame (think the "praying" AFF style exit from a side door.) The rider should get behind and hold on to the sides of the rig near the yoke. The rider should stay flat on exit (i.e. NOT sit up) untill the birdman has got a controled flight established. added.... I don't recomend the 45 degree exit. try to launch sideways so you end up poised into the wind facing line of flight. After you're stable make the turns.... What could posibly go wrong? ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Rob, You always seem to have a wonderful bit of insight to add, and while I don't always agree, I don't always disagree either. Thank you. As a side note and not to detract from the infomation of you last posting, I would like to highlight one item for eveyone to ponder about. Not pointing any fingers right now. Nuff said. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Great advice to anyone. Here is where you lose me. Huh? Inspection of gear is a good thing, both by the prospective buyer, and a qualified rigger. But without starting a war here, the lenth of time gear has not been used is not really a factor. The way it has been stored is. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

* looks around and has a sudden urge to see a George Carlin standup routine* ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

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Yeah, I'm at work, but when it's on the DZ it just doesn't feel that way! ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

I disagree. A SkyBand takes no more force to break than a coventional rubber band. They just do not degrade as fast from repeated strechings. If you have a bag lock with one you would have with a normal rubber band. Either the PC was sub standard or a packing error happened. Me too! ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

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Karma is for real. (In my world anyway!) And I'll probably end up having bad Karma for thinking about that! Blue Skies, -jp- ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

About 4 weeks including shipping time (we're on the west cost) We can cut a week (or more) off that by shipping next day air. Blue Skies, -jp- ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

If you read the fine print, they cover your bags for $1500 and there is a limit to how much insurance you can buy. It's $1250, making the total per bag $2750. I sell gear for a living and I'll tell you that wouldn't cover manufactures cost on ONE of my rigs. Hell it wouldnt cover my camera gear and pelican case. But what are you gonna' do. It's the only game in town, and they have the cards. Blue Skies, -jp- ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

It is the best "freefly" style camera helmet Bonehead ever made. (IMO) Chris told me he stoped making it because they were extremely complex to produce. The 1/2 Rak was discontinued because it costs the same to make as the full BatRak. The Optik fits into the line up really well now.... Still can't beat my Flat-Top Pro! Blue Skies, -jp- ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Oh, yeah! I'll get in on this! ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Yes you can. Call SkyDance SkyDiving (530)753-2651 or check out www.skydanceskydiving.com We do 30,000 MSL skydives twice a year. Blue Skies, -jp- ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

So on a drouge? Did it collapse? 4 miliseconds? What was it 1/2 a second after peak? Interesting data. Interpretation is the key. -jp- ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Had one taxi out and fly away never to be seen again last year. Of course this was after it was belly landed 3 years prior. Blue Skies, -jp- ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Then again, someone in a quilting circle might think your knowledge of all things skydiving is worthless. {sarcasm on} Sewing is for pussies!{sarcasm off} Blue Skies, -jp- ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Well if you can include making worthless posts on DZ.com "working" than yes I am! When are you coming back? Blue Skies, -jp- ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Not only did I not make any statements to the contrary, I will second your motion and cast my own vote! ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

THERE REALLY IS NO SUCH THING AS BREAKDANCE ! By Thomas Guzman-Sanchez A missing piece in the big puzzle of American Urban Pop history has been discovered and brought to the forefront. This has caused a generation to re-think American Urban Dance history. An eight year study led by Urban Dance historians Thomas and Paul Guzman-Sanchez, reveal that a person is either Locking, Popping , Up-Rocking or B'Boying but not "break dancing". The brothers have focused on the history of Urban Dance from 1970 to 1985. The current meaning of the word "Break dancing" (American Heritage dictionary) is: A style of dancing in which agility, and often spectacular gymnastics skills, are combined with pantomime and performed especially to the rhythm of rap music. The "spectacular gymnastic skills" would be in reference to the Power Moves and tricks that are a main part of Rocking or B'Boying. The "pantomime" would refer to Popping. The "agility" could refer to Locking. And of course "the rhythm of rap music" is the O.G. (original generation) Funk. What could have caused such a misconception by society? In 1982 the movie Flash Dance was released. The back spinning antics in this film caused the national media to focus on it because it was amazing to watch. This allowed the young back spinners in the film to manipulate the world press in regards to the trend that would become known as "Break dancing". The term "Break" or "to break" is originally a street term used as an alternative to describe "the act of dancing". There has never been and is no actual dance style or dance form called "breaking" or "Break dancing". The word "break" was created by the O.G. Dance Group Chain Reaction in 1974 to describe a move in the dance form called "Locking". This move is where the arms are bent sharply at the elbows or a "Break" at the elbows. It then evolved to describe the act of dancing or to initiate a challenge, as in ,"Can you break?", or "Break!". The 80's press grabbed this word "Break", creating an out of control monster and fed it to a naive America. A sad side effect was any prior history of these Urban Dance art forms were completely wiped out and stamped with the generic term of "Break dancing". Because so many people in the world today have embraced and adapted the Hip Hop trend as their so called "Culture", the propaganda that was initiated in 1983 is the only information that our society has as to build a foundation upon. But ignorance to history is no excuse. Just because a group says something is a certain way, doesn't make it so. This project has been an ordeal since 1991 for Thomas Guzman-Sanchez who originally decided to write down his memories of being a dancer. "People looked at me crazy when I would speak about my past. So I thought I should write it down before I was to old to remember." After speaking to his brother Paul Guzman-Sanchez and the members of his group Chain Reaction, he decided to write a book on the history of Urban Dance that he was not only fortunate enough to witness but was also a key part of its creation. Thomas searched for three years to find the other creators and innovators of Locking and Popping. All who have been forgotten by the MTV generation that has helped to perpetuate the art forms they created. This eventually led Thomas to make a film that would encompass these O.G. Dance Masters (all of which are from California) speaking on where, how and why things were created, combined with archival performances proving when and what these dances were originally intended to look like. This has become the controversial Feature Documentary "Underground Dance Master: History Of A Forgotten Era". This Clockman Vision production film was released1998 and is now available on VHS. Its the films music sound track that make up the eight Volumes called ,O.G. Funk - Underground Dance Master Music Series - Locking Volume 1 & 2 and Popping Volume 1 & 2, available now Up-Rocking Volume 1 & 2 and B'Boying Volume 1 & 2 due out in September 2001 . Many of these tracks have never been released on CD. The liner notes are filled with never before seen photographs and excerpts from the book that inspired this whole ordeal. In 1998 was the First Annual International Underground Dance Master Tournament and Guinness Urban Dance World Record competition, that is now available on VHS. The second tournament was filmed at Universal Studios in 2000. This biannual extreme sports event draws dancers from all over the world to battle for the title of international champion and also to set new Guinness Urban Dance World Records. Now with the true history of Locking, Popping, Up-Rocking and B'Boying known, society can now see the actual origin of what has become known as "hip hop dance" and that there really is no such thing as "Break dance". -------- So Now you know.... -jp- ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Now that we've seen the picture of the 300-way, what we really want to see are pictures of the party, and aftermath! (At least I do....) Blue Skies, -jp- ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Hey where's liars dice?! Blue Skies, -jp- ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Yeah, but you really don't want your friends to see you riding one do you? (I'm talking about mopeds of course) -jp- ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Be aware that using a bag that is not attached to the normal bridal attachment point (i.e. the top skin) can produce "interesting" openings, especialy if you choose to wrap the tail of the canopy a lot. I've made a removable P/C and bag mod on one of my Xaos canopies just to see what all the hype is about, and the once the canopy is out of the bag it takes a while to unfurl the tail. When hooked up in a normal configuration, the collapsed P/C and bag provide enough drag to start lifting the tail off the pack job. In the removable configuration the bag comes of and you're left looking at a nicely coccooned pack job... a lot of posibility for an off heading here... I've found a perfomance increase but not enought to warant dealing with openings like that all the time.... maybe just for competition.... Food for thought Have fun, -jp- ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.