Sluggo_Monster

The posts on this board in the last 24 hours have gone in a direction that I do not wish to travel. (Too much speculation that isn’t fact based.) This is the reason I have never read books about NORJAK) Anyone wishing to give me information, ask my advice, or give me advice, please e-mail me at the e-mail address on my web site. Thanks, Sluggo_Monster Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

Okay... Point well taken. So let's make a deal. Give me the same information you have, I will ply my craft, and I will defer to your knowledge of "Normal" criminal behavior. Otherwise, all I have to apply MY skill to, is rumors, inaccurate (and sometimes downright fictional) media accounts, and what someone said on a forum. Otherwise, we can't work as a team. You see the BIG Picture, and I have to look theough a slit in the door. And, just as a point of fact, I've don't expose myself to the "mass media." I don't read accounts of crimes, (speciffically NORJAK), I don't watch crime shows on TV (or so called Reality shows). I don't watch crime movies. And how do you know I am not a criminal? Sluggo Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

NOT TRUE: The 727-100 has the following Flap settings: 727-100 HIGH LIFT DEVICES Flap positions are: UP 2, 5, 15, 20, 25, 30, and 40 with gates at the 2 and 25 positions. 5,15,25 Normally T-O and 30, 15, 5, Normal Landing. At 140,000 lbs. V sub Ref for landing with 15 degrees flaps is: 142 knots At 140,000 lbs. V sub Ref for Take-off with 15 degrees flaps is: 136 knots. As you see these values are much lower that 160 – 170 knots being flown by 305. Air Speed with any flap setting is controlled by Power (Throttle) setting, Pitch setting, and Company and Airport procedures/policy. When making these statements, why don’t you look it up and verify the voracity, or consult an expert. It will keep people from chasing apparitions down rabbit holes. It may have been discussed on another forum, but that doesn’t make it true. Maybe we should have a motto: “The truth first, then speculation.” BTW: For planning purposes, Boeing estimates total turnaround time (Place stairs, position equipment, deplane passengers, unload baggage, fuel airplane, service galley, service water, service lavatories, clean cabin, clean aft entry, load baggage, board passengers, and clear area and start engines) for 28 first class and 66 tourist class passengers as 26 minutes. (about 10 min of which is re-fueling at 600 gpm). If Cooper knew this, he was reasonable to expect to deplane the passengers and re-fuel in 15 min. If he believed this he was delusional.

That's a good point. Especially when talking about political issues and martyrs. But, if we play Monopoly and I cause you to lose your money, I don’t need credit. Or, if I want to draw attention to an issue, not a cause, drawing attention to me will just get me arrested. Oh yea…. Movie quotes….. This is paraphrased because I don’t have a copy of the movie. From Catch-22: Yossarian: You took Snowden’s parachute. Milo: Yes, but I left him a shares in the syndicate. Yossarian: That won’t do him any good, he’s dead. Milo: Then his parents will get them. Yossarian: That won’t do them any good, they’re rich. Milo: Then they’ll understand. Think about it. Sluggo Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

By the "5th Anniversary", or "to date?" I'm honored that you're reading my web site. I welcome ALL your comments (even the ones I think stink). Sluggo Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

Hi Sluggo, can you quote the source for the quoted statement..was that from Ckret? The problem with the transcripts now is we're second guessing them sometimes, as possible misintrepretations sometimes (like the description of "he's got the knapsack around him" when there was no knapsack) If Cooper's request was as you state, it certainly changes my thinking of this whole airstairs demand, and Cooper's possible knowledge. I had originally thought Cooper said stairs down after takeoff based on reading the transcripts, but then Ckret was so insistent about Cooper wanting the stairs down at takeoff I assumed there was testimony that we didn't have that maybe Cooper really wanted the stairs dragging as the plane took off...which is why I was going on and on about that a number of posts ago. Now you just posted a apparent "fact" that was what I thought was the original Cooper request all along. If so, that's great. And thanks for all the clarifications and drawings. Good stuff. MSP Transcript 6:21 PST. I didn't check context, so it may be after they convinced him the could not take off with the stairs lowered. Sluggo Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

Ckret… Ckret… Ckret… Here we go again! I just can’t let that pass. First: It should be casual to the most obvious observer, that, I am keeping the record. In fact, I started keeping the record when you were eight years old!

He was probably just changing the Nav Radio over to the EUG VORTAC so he could continue on V-23. A VOR has a “Cone of Confusion” above it (the higher you are the wider it is). He would need to get on the 355 degree radial FROM EUG at that point. EUG is a high altitude VOR, so he may have had difficulty finding it. Nothing really unusual about that curve. Also, that was a busy time for the flight crew. DON’T confuse ground level winds with “winds aloft.” Sluggo_Monster Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

Ckret, 1971 was previous to the industries' introduction of a Human Performance concept called "Cockpit Resource Management". So, "exacting in the cockpit in word and deed" may not apply. Not that I think they weren't very competent, I just see Rataczak cowering in the corner and trying to please Scott. Unless Rataczak was a "Company Pilot" in which Scott would have been trying to make him look ridiculous. Or maybe, the mysterious Anderson was the “Company Pilot” and Scot and Rataczak tried to make him look ridiculous.

Let's keep the context with the quote: This was in a category of: Here are a few of the parameters recorded by some FDRs of the era (1971): Not in the category of: Most FDRs of that era (1971) recorded: Sluggo_Monster Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

All, In musing over last night’s posts something occurred to me. Some of the “sleuths” and “investigators” on this board may not realize that there is a difference between the “aft door” and the “aft Stair”. The 727-100 has an aft door (aka Aft Entry Door) which is 32” wide by 76” tall. This door is part of the “pressure boundary” (that’s a nuclear term, I think the aviation term is “pressure hull”). [See attached: 727 Aft Entry Door and Stairs Top & Side View.jpg and 727 Aft Entry Door and Stairs Side View.jpg] Note that there are 5 steps down after going through the “Aft Entry Door” (Pressure Hull) before one encounters the Aft Airstairs. It also has a door (of a sort) called the “Aft Airstair” This is not part of the “pressure hull.” This is the door that we see in exterior photos of the stairs. The Flight Engineer’s Lower Panel has annunciators for both aft doors. [See attached Flight Engineer's Lower Panel-1.jpg, and I apologize for the low quality]. The upper left light is the Aft Entry Door light and the next one down (on the left) is the Aft Airstair light. So, when reading the transcripts, recognize that the pilots means something different when they talk about the door vs. the stair. When Cooper told the pilots that; “The aft passenger loading door will be open and remain in that position and the aft stairs to be lowered after take-off,” he is defining an un-pressurized condition. On purpose? By accident?... I can only guess. If you think he was stupid (like Ckret…. I mean like Ckret thinks), it was by accident. If you think he was very smart (like Sluggo….. uh… thinks) it was part of a carefully executed plan. I hope these drawings will help you visualize what it was like for Cooper as he tried to exit the Aft Door and lower the Aft Airstairs. I think most people are envisioning an exit like on a C-130 or some other cargo plane. One other note: The truck that brings a portable stair out to the plane to allow passengers to exit the forward exit is also called Airstairs. The references (in the transcripts) to “Airstairs” have to be considered in context. Sluggo_Monster Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

Yes, and just before that ATC was going to route them down J-5 (which would have probably flown them into a mountain). So what they didn't take is not nearly as interesting as what made them decide what to take. Uncle Sluggo PS: You'll owe me dinner by Tuesday. Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

"Flying Dirty" and "Flying Clean" are common pilot lingo used to express the condition of the flaps and/or retractable landing gear. If the plane was "flying Dirty" the flaps and/or landing gear were extended. No more no less. Slats deployed might increase turbulence, but at the tail, I don't know. By the way, when I open the rear window in my SUV (at 80 mph), with the front vents open or closed, my papers stay put. Sluggo Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

Ckret, Thanks. Remember if I'm wrong... I owe you dinner. Or would that constitute a gift of greater than "nominal value"? [Big, silly, shit-eating, thank God I don't work for the Guv'ment anymore GRIN] (Uncle) Sluggo Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

ooopppss "Earlier Teletype machines had 3 rows of keys and only supported upper case letters. They used the 5 bit baudot code and generally worked at 60 words per minute. Teletypes with ASCII code were an innovation that came into widespread use in the same period as computers began to become widely available." So there was a transition period that resulted in a sort of baud rate. Sluggo Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

snowmman, I disagree on one point: No baud rate other than the operaters fingers. As I understand it each TTY was on an open line. When terminal "A" hits a key it registers on each terminal "B" , "C", etc. on the circuit (including "A") at the speed of electrons (sonewhere close to 186272 miles per second). No modem, no CPU, just a telegraph line. Now I remember in about 1974 some terminals that were modified TTYs that had an acoustical modem attached so you could communicate with a main-frame, but that wasn't TTY. That was telephone. Any experts out there? 377? Guru312? Sluggo_Monster Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

All, Well, I go away for a few hours and you guys let the gypsies (Please, don’t call the PC Police!) take over the castle!

My dearest nephew Ckret, You were always impetuous. In the Flt Ops Transcripts, at 18:21 PST the pilot says: “We have instructions from the individual. Wants ?NRI GG ? to Mexico City. 2 fly with gear down and Flaps at 15 degrees” yada… yada… yada. {Emphasis Mine} If you continue with this prevarication, Uncle Sluggo won’t take you shooting bowling pins with him on Saturday. Uncle Sluggo Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

Jo, Read more carefully… Post more carefully… You are exhibiting the behaviors that you are (often unjustly) being accused of. This is the photo posted on Coast To Coast AM back in May. (see attached). The caption reads: “Galen Cook has provided another photo of the D.B. Cooper suspect (middle top). For comparison, it is pictured next to FBI composite drawings (left and right, modified by C2C listener Kent B.) as well as a photo previously provided by Cook of the Cooper suspect (middle bottom).’ {Emphasis is Sluggo's.} A much as I dislike Cook and his obvious efforts to increase book sales, he has not been deceitful (at least in this case). Sluggo_Monster Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

377, You just broke the hearts of 243 SETI scientists! They think it's all about noise. (i.e. Noise is Signal, if it's organized.) Sluggo_Monster Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

snowmman, WRONG! The date stamp appears when you hit the ready button (note the date is zulu). The time stamp appears when you hit the send button. At least that’s what I remember from 35 years ago. Remember, this TTY was not dedicated to the NORJAK activities. What you have in the transcript is a cut and paste job. The roll paper output was pasted (or taped) onto other flat paper and then copied. You can see the margins of each snippet. Other Flight operations transmissions were occurring, thus, slowing down transmission times. That’s why a phone patch was set up. You don’t believe me? Look at the bottom of page 99. You will see Bozeman Ops reporting Flight 120 “In to Bozeman, MT at 02:09z to 02:13z and out of Bozeman, MT at 02:34z to 02:37z with an Estimated Time of Arrival in Billings, MT at 03:09z And (probably} at 19,000 ft. altitude. On page 102 you will find: Flight 22 reporting that they are at 32,000 ft. at 320 knots with ETA Minneapolis-St. Paul at 04:20z. The temp is -60 deg Celsius The winds are out of 305 deg at 85 knots. These are the extraneous transmissions that got left in. Think about how many were left out. 1 minute is entirely reasonable. Sluggo_Monster Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

377, Ummmmmh... You mean: Increase the range, decrease the gain. Increase the sensitivity, decrease the resolution. Well! that hardly seems fair. You and I have truely crossed paths in many of our endeavors, Sluggo_Monster Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

All, I got to 35 responses on my poll (on my Web Page ) and stalled down. Maybe I have fewer readers than the stats indicate, or maybe people don’t like “Instructional Fun.” Anyway, I have put up the IDs on the answer page. Go to the poll page and follow the link to the IDs. Sluggo Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

georger, I am well aware that if I place information on my website, this forum, or any other forum, readers are free to use it as they see fit. They may use it to better understand the “facts of the case,” or use it to further their own agenda to prove a suspect was or was not Cooper. However, the above statement is a total distortion, in fact, it is pure fiction. Point by point: (Fact) Ckret never questioned me about the accuracy of time stamps on the transcript. (Fact) There never was an RTTY, they didn’t exist on NWA flights at that time. (Fact) The time stamp is a product of the TTY and as such in inalterable. (Fact) Based on the above statements the “who” is a machine. (Fact) The time stamps are set in stone with the exception “listen to type time” delays. (Fact) The FBI assigned to “listen to type time” delays to be 1 min or less. (Fact) 8:10 cannot become 8:13 – 8:20. 8: 10 can become 8:09 and only 8:09. (Fact) The crucial fact here is the oscillations were time-stamped but the pressure bump was not. The pressure bump time was estimated (by the flight crew) as 10 to 15 minutes after the 8:05 call to the back. That is the only time issue with any variability. (Fact) Times listed on the TTY log do not change the position data based on Air Force Radar. The TTY log is useful for identifying the times of communications. With few exceptions (where positions were reported by the crew) it does not identify positions of the aircraft. (Fact) The Radar data is accurate to 1 NM (plus or minus) along the azimuth of the scan. The angular resolution is unknown (to me). I would appreciate the courtesy of checking with me, before you attribute your conjecture to my data. What say you? Favorite-Nephew Ckret?

georger, The money was found at: (WGS84 Datum in Degrees Minutes and Decimal minute format) N 45 42.552 W 122 45.514 Nearest Postal Address is: 12112 Lower River Road NW Vancouver, WA 98660 See attached map. Sluggo_Monster EDIT: The money was found at the edge of the trees (green patch) just north of the address pin. Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum