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All, During my cross-country trip from New Mexico I had an incident that required a little oral surgery as soon as I arrived home. I am now fully recovered, off Disneyland pills, and feeling well. The last time I saw any posts was on 08/17. I just read the 118 posts covering the period since then and have a few (really, just a few) comments: snowmman: Maybe?{Just a thought}: LANSA Flight 502 was a Lockheed L-188A Electra operated by Líneas Aéreas Nacionales Sociedad Anónima (LANSA) which crashed shortly after takeoff from Quispiquilla Airport near Cusco, Peru on August 9, 1970, after losing one of its engines. Over half of the passengers belonged to a single group, sponsored by the Buffalo, New York based International Fellowship student exchange program, consisting of 49 American high school exchange students, along with their teachers, family members, and guides, who were returning from a visit to nearby Machu Picchu to their host families in the Lima area. skyjack71: We are close to the same age, my experience was VERY different, (probably due to my employment choices), I became aware of “that other government” in the late sixties and early seventies and made many choices based on that knowledge. georger: Was it a fear that she may be “sucked out” or “fall out?” I don’t recall a clear statement. Bruce (Cousin Bruce) is doing an excellent job. Keep it up, Bruce. I keep seeing references and statements to the effect of “The FBI now thinks…” or “The FBI has changed it’s mind…” [NOTE: I have (probably) made statements like this myself.] I am wondering who (exactly) speaks for the FBI in matters such as this. The Bureau has its Public Information Office, each office has its Public Information Officer (the Seattle Office’s is Roberta Burroughs), they have their web-site, and SA Carr is the Agent-In-Charge (of record) for NORJAK. But when making a statement like “The FBI now thinks…” who are we talking about. Or, maybe a better way of saying it is “Does the Bureau have an opinion about the current state of NORJAK (other than – it’s a cold case)? [This is obviously a rhetorical question… I don’t really expect answers.] Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

Just a quick note: Excellent work snowmman (dropping the snowttroll thing, this isn't trollong). But, first things first: We need to establish if the "color photo" was taken with color film (i.e. Kodachrome) or hand-colored. Hand-coloring was very common then, especially in the portrait industry (I don't know about magazines). A few years ago I found a proof of a color-portrait of my wife, I also had the B&W. I was amazed... I (at least) could not tell it was hand-colored. The photos had a questionaire asking about complexion, dress color, hair color and such. It was filled-out by the photographer. The original photo (used by the magazine) may have been furnished by Braden. Just a thought. Let's not go down an (un-necessary rabbit-trail (or dog trail). Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

Snowttroll said: Definitely not! Almost all insurance policies exclude coverage of nuclear accidents (also accidents on the right-of-way of a railroad). This caused a problem when the utilities wanted to build nuclear plants. No one wanted one in their backyard. This was solved by the Price-Anderson Act. The Price-Anderson Nuclear Industries Indemnity Act (commonly called the Price-Anderson Act) is a United States federal law, first passed in 1957 and since renewed several times, which governs liability-related issues for all non-military nuclear facilities constructed in the United States before 2026. The main purpose of the Act is to partially indemnify the nuclear industry against liability claims arising from nuclear incidents while still ensuring compensation coverage for the general public. The Act establishes a no fault insurance-type system in which the first $10 billion is industry-funded as described in the Act (any claims above the $10 billion would be covered by the federal government). At the time of the Act's passing, it was considered necessary as an incentive for the private production of nuclear power — this was because investors were unwilling to accept the then-unquantified risks of nuclear energy without some limitation on their liability. The 1999 renewal made people like me liable (with civil and criminal penalties) for neglegent acts while performing duties in the nuclear industry (DOE, DoD, NNSA, as well as commercial). The last renewal was in 2005. (See below). Price-Anderson Indemnification The Price-Anderson Act authorizes methods of insuring the public for damages from nuclear accidents. The Energy Policy Act of 2005 extended the period of coverage to include all power reactors issued construction permits through December 31, 2025. while the new law does not increase the total maximum premium charged to reactor operators (set at $95,800,000 (2003 dollars) per reactor and adjusted for inflation in the future), it raises the annual charge to $15,000,000 (2003 dollars) per reactor (also adjusted for inflation). Under the Price-Anderson program, commercial reactor operators carry the maximum amount of private insurance for off-site damages available (currently $300 million). For damages in excess, all reactor operators would be assessed up to maximum annual charge for as many reactors as they each own and for as many years as necessary until the total maximum premium has been paid. This provides for over $10.0 billion in funds for any one accident. As more commercial power reactors are built in the coming years, this $10.0 billion pool for paying out damage claims will grown substantially. The Price-Anderson Act also authorizes the Department of Energy and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to indemnify the nuclear-related activities of government contractors and research reactor operators with federal funds. Boy! I was waiting for someone to ask that! Sluggo_Monster [from a motel on Historical Route 66 in Tucumcari, NM] Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

377 Said: I know someone who works for EG&G maybe he could score you a copy of the latest model/generation. Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

Sir, I believe it is you who has created the profile. I'm just the mirror. Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

Keep at it Bruce… data is data. But I have to admit, a lot of Marianne’s story doesn’t fit with some of the things that I know (or think I know) about what was going on that evening. I don’t believe there was any live TV coverage (even locally). I can be wrong, but of all the “looking for stuff” I’ve done through the years, no Portland or Seattle stations have indicated they have (or had) kinescope film of any of the hijacking activities (and you’d think if they had them, they would have kept them). The only images of the hijacking activities (that I have seen) was that shot of Flight 305 on the runway at SEA-TAC shot through a sixty-quintillion millimeter lens. Now maybe they released bulletins (a talking head saying; “This just in…”), but I have never seen any. Anyway, Marianne has a story and it needs to be brought out into the light, examined, and judged. Now… I’m going to make an admittedly very bigoted, prejudicial, and skeptical statement. Here goes: Thun Field (PLU) and Shady Acres (3BB) seem to have a “high degree of strangeness” (a UFOlogist’s term). What say you, Cousin Bruce, about my bigotry? Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

377 said: Whoa… slow down… even though snowttroll doesn’t believe it, communication by posts on an I-net thread can lead to misunderstandings. I think when I made a post a few days ago (Post 11949), I clearly stated that I respect snowttroll. That doesn’t mean I won’t take a jab at him now and then. This is especially true when he is at his snowttroll-i-est. Therefore: I expect to receive a jab from him occasionally. I would not seriously insult a poster then ask if he knew an old friend of mine. Likewise I wouldn’t threaten a poster on this board. I would threaten him/her by PM or e-mail, or better still just sneak up on him and make him hurt. [See that’s a joke] I guess I’m obligated to put a smiley-face emoticon there, but I often forget. We (the frequent posters here) are like a big, dysfunctional family. Snowttroll is my little brother who took my prized Duke Snyder autographed baseball and played a sandlot game with it, then went on to excel in school, got a great job and became semi-famous. I’ll NEVER forgive him, but what’s in the past is in the past. It is what it is. Res ipsa loquitur. But I’ll never let him forget it either. I can’t speak for snowttroll, but I was neither insulted, nor angry, nor attempting to be (really) insulting. I just call it like I see it. snowttroll behaves as he behaves. I can love the person and hate the behavior. But I will call a spade a spade (or in the case of snowttroll, a spade a F^%king shovel). [See that’s humor again.] Now… let’s talk about that bourbon. Yea… I’d sit down with 377 and snowttroll to drink some good Tennessee or Kentucky sippin’ whiskey. Hell, I even sit down with just snowttroll and share some really good whiskey (maybe Basil Hayden or Booker’s). I think some good sippin’ whiskey would rub the California right offa y’all. [Did you recognize the humor that time?] Then we could arm wrestle. Whoops, I remember those photos of snowttroll climbing that ice. And I know 377 usta pull on those fishing nets. Arm wrestling is out, spitting contest is in. Okay seriously now… I’ll be taking down my ISP (here at the Apt.) today or tomorrow. I’ll have some access from work (if they don’t arrest me for the “wanna buy a nuke” question from an earlier post made from the lab’s computer) until mid-day Thursday. Then it’ll be motel Wi-Fi until I reach SE Alabama (probably Sunday). So, after Thursday: snowttroll hold your insults (at least those pointed at me). All others keep digging, Waugh introduced us to Braden, but snowttroll brought Braden to the forefront and made him real (dead or alive). I don’t think he can be ignored, but we need more data. (snowttroll, did you notice I said “data” not “facts”? Maybe some of the Alabama is rubbing offa me!) Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

Oh! You "get it" alright! Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

You mean: To restore to sound condition after damage or injury; fix? Or, do you mean: to betake oneself? It really doesn't matter... He's anti-nuke, anti-war, anti-tax (especially to support wars), anti-authority, but... unlike you, he's very sociable and fun to talk to. Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

I was going to make a funny joke asking if you wanna buy a **** (rhymes with puke). Then I thought with just 4 more days until my departure, I probably shouldn't be making jokes about "sensitive subjects." Hey snowttrol, After reading some of your stuff (tripe) this morning, something hit me... You know Dr. Roland Finston? Former Radiation Safety Officer and Chairman of the Health Physics Department at Stanford. He's a neighbor of yours, restores old VW Vans, and shares your political beliefs. Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

Jo, I’m disappointed with the post (from you) I found this morning. Soledad I told you that I remembered something major (enough to make the evening news) happening at Soledad while I was living in CA. I told you that I couldn’t remember if it was in Upstate NY or CA. If knowing about Soledad (Salinas Valley State Prison) was so frigging important, why not enter “Soledad Prison” in your browser? You would find a Wikipedia article that would tell you: “Also located near Soledad is the Salinas Valley State Prison, a maximum security penal institution which includes a 64 bed inpatient psychiatric program primarily servicing high security inmates who have a major mental disorder that has diminished their ability to function within the prison environment. Adjacent to it is the medium security Correctional Training Facility.” Several times lately you have posted that I thought Soledad was a maximum security prison in NY. Since you have repeated this many times, I assume it has some importance to you that I just don’t understand. Is it your way of saying I do not know anything about prisons? (Guilty, I don’t focus much on prisons.) Is it your way of saying that the guy you once trusted may be part of the “BIG conspiracy” against you and your efforts to prove Duane Weber (John Collins) was D.B. Cooper? Exactly why is it that this is “an issue” with you? The Knife The knife I saw was a typical folding pocket knife (of the Boy Scout variety) with some lint in the folding slot that was EXACTLY like the lint found in the knife I was carrying in my pocket at the time. This led me to think the knife had little or no value as evidence. I did not state this to you, because I did not want to be unkind and sound like I was saying; “You old fool, that’s just pocket lint!” Maybe, I should have been more honest and forthright. It’s just not my nature. Fees and Compensation If you or anyone else honestly believes the rumor that is circulating that Tom Kaye received $50,000 for his part in Nat-Geo’s “The Skyjacker That Got Away” I truly feel sorry for you. If you just look at the production budget, the sum of $50,000 is laughable. A rumor that Tom Kaye received $5000 would maybe be believable. If you (or anyone else) buy into the rumor that I received $$$ for my “assistance” in the films production, you really should seek professional help… you have drifted over the edge. Jo’s Perceptions When I see your post about things I have said, decisions I have made, and conversations we (you and I) have had, I realize that your perception is VERY different from mine. This casts doubt on all the other things you have told me. If I was starting over, looking into Duane’s past, I would be skeptical of everything you said in cases where you did not have evidence (like Pasternak’s research). Jo… you have a very interesting story when it comes to having been married to Duane. You have a LOT of evidence (mostly undisclosed) about what an unusual character Duane was. If I had time, I would research some of Duane’s past (like his Chemical and Biological Warfare experience at Camp Siebert in Gadsden, AL)* * and try to figure out some of the things he was “into”. But, alas I don’t have the time. You are a dear person, I (still) consider you my friend, I wish only good things for you. But, you have let the trolls, hucksters, devils, and just plain cruel SOBs of this world drive you to the brink of madness. This madness will cause you to drive away the people who want to help you the most. Don’t slide over the edge. I have posted here a dozen (or so) times; “Those that know, aren’t talking and those that are talking, don’t know.” Let me say that (to you specifically) in another way. SHUT UP! THE INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING, THE PEOPLE YOU BADGER CONSTANTLY (by berating their efforts) ARE SEEKING THE TRUTH. WHEN THE TIME COMES, YOU’LL KNOW WHAT THEY KNOW… NOT BEFORE!!! The results of the investigation may point to Duane, or not. I’m still “open minded” about Duane, but I’m “open minded” about several other suspects also. The current approach is not find a suspect and prove that the suspect was Cooper, but rather look at the (small quantity of) evidence and see where (to whom) it points. * * I was concerned that the mention of Camp Siebert might be confidential, but you mentioned it in posts #3703 and #1120. Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

Yes... Ted M. Braden is the wrong Ted B. Braden (did you read what I said about it being a stretch that he might be Braden's son?) It's all public record. I redacted the phone number because it isn't someone of interest and I wouldn't want some lurker to call. So... your point? Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

1st to JO, I don’t have a Bulldog in my basement (like, arf… arf) I have Bulldog Drummond (you know, a gumshoe, a dick, a private eye) chained to a pipe in my basement. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Now to ALL, And that leads me to this: I found out that of the 1057 official suspects in the NORJAK case, investigated by a number of agencies, none were named Ted B. Braden (and permutations) or Joseph Edward Homer (and permutations)". So I unchained Bulldog and told him to find out all he could about our boy Braden, starting with the address that Bruce (I think) supplied, in Niles, OH. After soaking me by adding a bunch of stuff to his expense account like a case of good Kentucky sipping whiskey, a pair of “Air Jordan” athletic shoes, three pairs of athletic socks, some pork rinds, and a box of tampons, he finally got out and started looking. When he came back, he looked pretty worn out. He’s a bit weird, but he’s a hard worker, and usually gets me good results. But today, he was totally defeated. He just kept mumbling something about; “should have had more tampons.” He said; “ I searched the entire US and it’s protectorates and I found one Ted Braden and he’s too young.” He found: THEODORE M. BRADEN 213 GOVERNORS AVE TRENTON, OH 45067 SSN: 275-68-XXXX (SSN was assigned in OH in 1975-1976) Phone: REDACTED (I don’t want to post it here, PM me if you need it.) Year of Birth: 1959 Age: 49 Who, on some outside possibility, could be Ted B. Braden’s son (I know, that’s stretching). So, here’s what I’m thinking: We can get back into the spirit of where we were in April of 2008 (the parachute find) and try to work together. If the FBI didn’t investigate Braden, we should. 1. Let’s find him (if he’s still alive). 2. Select someone to talk to/interview him. (Bruce maybe?) 3. See if what he has to say, will eliminate him or makes us more suspicious. 4. Figure out a path forward after that. I can try to do this alone, but two heads are better than one and about sixteen are a LOT better than one. I took Bulldog back down to the basement and chained him up. I stayed awhile, thanked him, and tried to console him, but he’s taking it pretty hard. He doesn't accept defeat very well. Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

377, Balls? Stupidity? I honestly don't know. Ask me about it when I've been un-employed for about a year and watching the retirement bus pulling away from the stop. snowttroll, It's a good thing from a health (stress-level) standpoint. Maybe, I'll write an expose on the National Nuclear Security Agency (NNSA) and Los Alamos National Labs (LANL) telling all. It might make all those things done in Viet Nam seem trivial. Hey, I wrote this on their computer, so I might be arrested before sundown. I don't know if I can withstand waterboarding or not! Edited: I know one thing, even though this is one of the most beautiful places in the world (seriously), I'll be glad to get back to LA (Lower Alabama) and spend some time with Sugar. We've been in a new house since Jan. 7th and I've spent only 6 nights there. Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

Georger said: My opinion: Not a clip-on. If RFK had the tie pulled a little tighter, one would not be able to tell. But, since it is slightly loosened, you can see white collar ABOVE the knot right where the clip would be. snowttroll said: So, I’ve got it now…. You're speaking a language I understand... Jo said the CIA/FBI “suppressed” the photos to prevent muzzle-rise and felt-recoil. I hear that’s a big problem, especially with the older model (60s era) photos. Did I tell you guys that I quit my job Monday? Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

All, I tend to be quick to criticize… I try hard to be (equally) quick to praise. A few days ago, I was thinking about making a post complaining about snowttroll’s posting style and the voluminous, serial posts he was making. His posts were (are) so frequent, and so large that reading them and understanding them was out of the question. It was all I could do to just do a 30,000 foot flyover and see if I could find something worth digesting. I felt, and still feel (somewhat) that snowttroll has become absorbed in learning about things that happened in Viet Nam and lost sight of the “hunt for Cooper.” I intended to try to be kind, but I wanted to express that (to me, at least) his posts were mostly a waste of bandwidth. Well… I’ve changed my mind. His extensive research of the activities, culture, beliefs, and affected warriors has adjusted my “culture goggles and made me think about a “new DB Cooper profile.” A profile that was obviously (or at least publically) ignored by the investigators. I will be making a request (to the FBI) for information as to whether Ted. B. Braden and all his aliases (including Joseph Edward Homer) were investigated by the agencies in charge and to what extent these investigations (if they existed) were conducted. From where I sit right now, Braden makes a much better candidate for Cooper than any of the “gang of suspects.” (i.e. Gossette, Christiansen, etc.) I understand that there may be 10,000 Braden-like characters out there all of which might be a better fit than Braden, but Braden is the one whom snowttroll has made “real.” I hope his posts here can equally broaden the FBI’s profile of Cooper and perceived probability of Cooper surviving the jump. (Yes, the FBI (or its representatives) frequently monitor posts on this thread, even if they choose not to admit it.) So…. To sum this all up: Hats off to snowttroll, for diligence, insight, intelligence, and perseverance. I think he has made a large, positive contribution to the search for a solution to NORJAK! PS: I still think he is a troll (or displays troll-like characteristics). But… hey… we all have our shortcomings.

I'm looking but lack the skill to uncover anything (yet). Orange1 displays the impetuousness of youth, the vigor of youth, and the brains of that generation that was born after 1979 (the year of Three-Mile Island). So..... compared to me (and you), she is a "Spring Chicken." {Boy! It took a while to come up with a "term" that would NOT be interpreted as sexist.} Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

That photo came from "DER SPIEGEL 15/1968 vom 08.04.1968, Seite 146" which is aparently a reprint of the Ramparts article. Braden had a passport in the name of Joseph Edward Homer. Homer was a Canadian citizen, born and raised in Windsor, Ontario. He was a sergeant in the Special Forces and SOG in 1965 in a camp in Thang Long where he was killed when a mortar salvo exploded prematurely. Braden stole his identity and obtained a passport under that name. Key Words: SOG Canadian Friend of Braden? Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

Braden circa 1968 (terrible photo). Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

Snowttroll, I had no idea you were a NASCAR fan. Anyone who is a NASCAR fan would immediately recognize Ryan Newman , driver of the Stewart-Hass #39 sponsored by the US Army. Do you have any other “Redneck” tendacies that you have been hiding from us? BTW: The photo was taken at U.S. Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School. (Contrary to 377’s assertion is was at snowttroll’s bunker.) Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

Check this out: This Article It seems Lyle Christiansen (Kenneth Christiansen's brother) didn’t like the Nat-Geo program. And Tom Larson is so sure that Christiansen was Cooper that he gets confused and calls him “Kenneth Cooper.” Now that’s good journalism, I don’t care who you are. Get R Written! I don’t usually post entire text of articles but the link above requires registration, so here’s (the text of) the article: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Not convinced D.B. Cooper film gets it right Morris’ Lyle Christiansen says documentary was well done but ‘was barking up the wrong tree’ by discounting compelling evidence that his brother was the notorious skyjacker. See a rebroadcast at 2 p.m. Sunday By Tom Larson Morris (Mn) Sun Tribune A National Geographic Channel documentary that aired for the first time last weekend claimed it would shed new light on the D.B. Cooper hijacking mystery using modern technology and the expertise of citizen sleuths. But after seeing the film, a Morris man who believes the legendary sky pirate was his brother said he isn’t convinced the evidence presented in the film proved anything definitively. Lyle Christiansen still believes his late brother, Kenneth, was D.B. Cooper and that he not only survived the parachute jump from a jet with $200,000 in cash in 1971 but lived another 23 years and used much of the money to help people who were down and out. “I think they did a good job with the show, but a lot of it was barking up the wrong tree,” said Lyle Christiansen. He said statements made by FBI agents in the documentary about Cooper are contradicted by other evidence, and he can’t buy the idea that a bundle of the money that was key to their presumption that Cooper died in the jump hinged on the bank bag somehow being snagged on the propeller of a ship. D.B. Cooper is the focus of the hour-long reenactment documentary that will be rebroadcast at 2 p.m. Sunday on the National Geographic Channel. The documentary, “The Skyjacker That Got Away,” was first broadcast last Sunday. Lyle Christiansen has said he has evidence that D.B. Cooper very likely was his brother, Kenneth, who died in 1994. Some of the documentation and photographs Christiansen supplied to a private investigator and the documentary’s production company, Edge West LLC, was used in the film. Christiansen said that until a few years ago, he had never heard about D.B. Cooper, even though the November 1971 skyjacking and extortion ploy – seen by many as a modern-day Robin Hood story -- captivated millions, spawned songs, a movie, books, countless searches and thousands of suspects, and led to sweeping security changes in the airline industry. In a nutshell, D.B. Cooper – more accurately, Dan Cooper -- is the alias used by a passenger who boarded a Northwest 727 on Thanksgiving eve 1971 and told a flight attendant that he had a bomb in his brief case. The plane, which took off from Portland bound for Seattle-Tacoma Airport, landed and $200,000 in $20 bills and four parachutes were brought aboard. Then, he instructed the flight crew to take off for Mexico City. Once on the ground, passengers and much of the flight crew left the plane, and the FBI and Northwest officials met all of Cooper’s demands. Minutes after the plane took off, aft stairs unique to the 727 were lowered and Cooper leapt into the rainy, cold darkness with two of the parachutes, the money and the brief case. Except for the discovery of about $5,800 of the ransom, found nine years later, neither Cooper nor the bulk of the money were ever found. Lyle Christiansen, who until a few years ago, never knew about D.B. Cooper, has spent many hours researching the subject after becoming convinced by an “Unsolved Mysteries” segment on the hijacking and extortion. Two years ago, a private investigator, Skipp Porteous, began looking into Christiansen’s claims and his work led to a long piece in “New York Magazine” that strongly suggested that Kennenth Christiansen was D.B. Cooper. Lyle Christiansen also points to a 1985 book, “D.B. Cooper: What Really Happened?”, by the late Max Gunther. In it, Gunther claims to have spent many hours on the phone talking to someone claiming to be D.B. Cooper. Lyle Christiansen said numerous details in the book -- some that only Christiansen would know about his brother -- almost positively ID Kenneth Cooper as the instigator of one of the most famous crimes in U.S. history. Lyle Christiansen has compiled a graph -- which he calls “Same History Association” -- that lists 14 points brought up in Gunther’s book that coincide with Kenneth Christiansen’s life. Lyle Christiansen believes other details were deliberately faked by the caller to conceal his identity, but that nonetheless contain hints that Kenneth Christiansen had to be the caller. Many of D.B. Cooper’s mannerisms -- including the type of cigarettes he smoked, his drink order of bourbon and 7-UP, his language -- were in keeping with Kenneth Christiansen’s way of life. In the “Skyjacker That Got Away,” FBI agents who have worked on the case over the decades claim that D.B. Cooper almost certainly died in the jump from the plane. Kenneth Christiansen was a Northwest Orient flight attendant who had pay grievances against the airline. He told a flight attendant on the plane, “It’s not that I have grievances against your airline. I just have grievances.” He was an expert paratrooper who also knew how fast and at what altitude the plane would need to be flying for him to survive a jump. He also knew that the 727 was the only plane with aft stairs, which would allow him to jump without being smashed into the plane. Other evidence shows that Kenneth Cooper bought a house with cash just weeks after the hijacking. The flight attendant who spoke with Cooper also stated that, of the thousands of possible suspects, Kenneth Christiansen’s photo came the closest to matching her recollection of the hijacker. In the documentary, a photo of Kenneth Christiansen was superimposed with a sketch of the hijacker and the match was striking. “That was pretty telling,” Lyle Christiansen said. Lyle Christiansen also noted that, as Kenneth battled cancer, he told Lyle that “There’s something you should know but I can’t tell you.” “He probably didn’t want to end up in jail at the end of his life,” Lyle Christiansen said. “He couldn’t tell me because he was afraid it would get out.” But FBI agents and other experts in “The Skyjacker That Got Away,” presented evidence -- particularly relating to the bundles of money found nine years after the hijacking -- that Cooper fell in water and either drown or succumbed to hypothermia before he could get ashore. Lyle Christiansen shakes his head. He notes that one retired FBI agent said in the documentary that there’s a good possibility Dan Cooper survived that night. Although he’s knocking on 80 years old, Lyle Christiansen said he’ll be keeping his ears pricked for more on D.B. Cooper, no matter what the experts say. Learn more about the case by watching “The Skyjacker That Got Away” at 2 p.m. Sunday, Aug. 2, on the National Geographic Channel, and see a November 2007 Sun Tribune story on Christiansen’s research, “Cracking the Cooper case?”, on the paper’s Web site at www.morrissuntribune.com. To see the story that reinvigorated the D.B. Cooper mystery, see the October 2007 New York Magazine story, “Unmasking D.B. Cooper,” at http://nymag.com/news/features/39593. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

I was alerted to a post on FearOfLanding.com about a Tweet mentioning D.B. Cooper. 4:11 PM Jul 29th Paul Tocknell from AskACFI.com made this Tweet on Twitter : Just learned about the D.B.Cooper story. Crazy. This may be the first evidence that the Nat-Geo piece influenced some younger persons to research NORJAK. Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

Okay…. snowttroll, you really didn’t think I let this one pass… did you? Oh you are misinterpreting all right. I don’t care about your philosophies any more than I care about your orgasms. You get off trolling (at a very high intellectual level, but trolling none the less). Think what you want to think, say what you want to say. It doesn’t change what I know and what I care about. Whether you think highly about my professional abilities is another thing that means nothing to me. I stay employed. You know, I was at Stanford for a while. I wonder if you know how many times I have save Los Altos Hills and Stevens Creek from “eminent nuclear disaster.” The next time a nuclear plant melts, or a Tc-99m Cow milks itself on your flight to Dallas, or your family member is in a hospital bed with only a thin wall between them and the patient in the next room getting interstitial therapy… call a “Chip Architect”. I’m not an apologist for Tom, Ckret, Phil Day, or anyone else known to this thread. Think what you wish, say what you wish (until quade bans you again), exercise the 1st amendment and all that crap. But, you show your character with ever venomous, vile, psychotic, hateful and schizophrenic post you make. You are accountable for what you post and I am accountable for what I post. I sleep very well… do you? Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum

I’m experiencing a mix of fascination and disgust with the posts here (on this thread) since the airing of the Nat-Geo film. (Excluding Bruce’s trip.) I go to bed at night, and when I get up in the morning and there are 20 or 30 posts that consists mostly of speculation on issues from the film (which themselves are speculation). I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again… Budget… Boss… Deadline… ‘nuff said. If I were a psychology graduate student, looking for a thesis or dissertation subject, I would use the psychology of this thread’s posts since Sunday night as my subject. Speculation becomes fact, and then there is speculation about facts. The snake has managed to get his tail in his mouth and is beginning to swallow itself. I won’t address individuals, because it’s too time consuming, but here is some “free-association” based on what I read this morning: Tom’s Science – Tom employs electron microscopes, x-ray spectroscopy, x-ray fluorescence analysis, optical microscopes, infrared photo-spectroscopy, and hopefully some isotopic analysis. This is what he does best (with fossils). This is what he is providing for NORJAK. The Nat-Geo piece focused on Tena Bar. Why did they show Tom closing the shield on a telescope? Maybe, it’s art! (Just let it flow over you.) Ckret’s Activities – Ckret heads up the Puget Sound Violent Crimes Task Force's Bank Robbery activities. He volunteered to be responsible for NORJAK. He has no extra funding or time allocation for this activity. He (and Robbie Burroughs) drove down to Tena Bar to observe the filming. They were there for a short period of time, then returned to Seattle. He was not expecting to be filmed. If there were films of Robbie, they ended up on the cutting room floor. Don’t hold others to a standard that you would not expect to be held to yourself. (I wasn’t at the Tena Bar filming, if someone who was, wants to dispute what I have said, have at it!) Phil Day – I was looking forward to the Nat-Geo airing. Now I wish it had never happened. (Now, if it “shakes the trees” and turns up a viable suspect, I’ll reverse this statement.) I discussed the pressure-bump in a great deal of detail with Phil. He fully understood what the “pressure-bump” was. Remember my posts about “reminded me of…” verses “we felt the same…” witness statements. The pressure bump witness statements and description of the drop test are in Document SE164-81 CEF:k1b, Phil has read this document. He understands the pressure bump. What was broadcast? “Captain we’re losing cabin pressure!...” It’s all budget, boss, and deadline. Again, don’t hold others to a standard that you would not expect to be held to yourself. I tried to warn everybody that no new information would come out of the Nat-Geo program, and that most of the posters here would be disappointed. So… I am of the belief… that discussions about (perceived) new information from the Nat-Geo program is a colossal waste of time. Two final thoughts: Wait for the science… it won’t be disappointing… where ever it leads us. Those who know aren’t talking, those who are talking… don’t know. Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum