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Ok, so the disconnect is with how the definition/usage of some words evolve overtime. Since the 1930s, 'woke' was primarily referred to as an awakening wrt to racial prejudice and discrimination strictly impacting African Americans. After BLM, the left decided to steal the term and apply it as a blanketed summation of leftist political ideology, which was then criticized for cultural appropriation. So that's fine, keep your bastardized definition. I never used the term anyway, that I can remember. If somebody is being radically aware and socially paranoid, I'll just call it radical and paranoid. Same thing if they're engaging in identity politics, cancel culture, mindless performative activism and/or self righteous moral superiority simply for the sake of division for a political edge. No sense at this point in lumping it all together under yet another adulterated definition. Stop being so damn disingenuous already, lol. It's not just the right. Plenty of left-leaning writers, comedians, and political figures have voiced their concern about a politically radical far-left 'alt-woke' ideology. Even Obama spoke out against it: "Obama has in the past criticized what he in 2019 called “woke” culture that leaves little room for forgiveness for misdeeds of people in public life." “This idea of purity and you’re never compromised and you’re always politically woke and all that stuff, you should get over that quickly,” “A lot of the dangers of cancel culture and ‘we’re just going to be condemning people all the time,’ at least among my daughters, they’ll acknowledge that among their peer group or in college campuses, you’ll see people going overboard,” “The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws.” "calling others out on social media is “not activism.” Like, if I tweet or hashtag about how you didn’t do something right or used the wrong verb, then I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself because ‘man, you see how woke I was, I called you out’ ”

Haha, it's not that uncommon for people to refer to movies by the actor/character's name. "Hey are you excited about Michael J Fox's new movie!?!?" And ya I know, you might say "haha, AOC isn't an actor or charcater - got you again!" But I'd just have to disagree. Anyway, It's likely many people here don't even remember the name of her documentary and would have to do a google search for "AOC's movie" to find out, like I had to. Besides, if I didn't use her name, many wouldn't even know what I was referring to, nor care why it did so poorly. Funny tho that we didn't see this type of nit picking with "An inconvenient Truth" being called "Al Gore's Movie." Billvon even posted an AP article about it: Commentary from real scientists: ------------------------------------Scientists OK Gore's movie for accuracyBy SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer48 minutes agoWASHINGTON - The nation's top climate scientists are giving "An Inconvenient Truth," Al Gore's documentary on global warming, five stars for accuracy.The former vice president's movie — replete with the prospect of a flooded New York City. . . .

Ok, so your wiki links accounts for 337 deaths in 2022, what about the 1000s of other deaths? Are those killers law abiding gun owners without criminal records as well? Do you not consider them part of the general public? And just because a person doesn't have a criminal record doesn't mean they don't have a history of engaging in criminal behavior.

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Yes, he was a capitalistic earthling, likely from Australia. Cameron said "When you see the movie you’ll see that it’s all about saving whales, avatar treating them with empathy as equals. It’s the pivotal message of the film" And in case you haven't heard, when PETA and animal rights activists condemned Live Avtar shows featuring captive dolphins, they didn't invite Cameron & crew on a re-education trip to Australia to see evil capitalistic white men, they invited them on a trip to Japan to witness the cruel nature of their Whaling industry. The (other) villain was also a former white man that was ordered by his female woman superior to kill the other former white man for his betrayal. Your fixation on sex and race is a bit awkward, exaggerated and displaced. I'd say it's more a battle against a monopolistic form of unfettered capitalism in the worst sense. The antagonist in the film is a female general for the RDA which is a quasi-governmental corporation (more powerful than any government on Earth) that has a monopoly on the sale of all goods from interplanetary exploits. A concept Cameron wrote back in the early 80s. A movie that quickly comes to mind as a comparison is "Blood Diamond." But I don't think people would consider that a woke movie in any pejorative sense of the definition. That was more of the plot for the first film which was basically a retelling of North and South American story of colonization. A story that has be retold many times. Many accused Cameron of ripping off Pocahontas/Fern Gully and was subject to multiple lawsuits. This movie on the other hand was simply about saving whales and one man's revenge against another. . .and of course, glorifying violence despite cutting out a measly 10 minutes of what seemed to be 2 hours of non-stop animated gun- fire, lmao. And somehow you considered that woke? Whatever you say chief, but In case you haven't heard, verdicts in: movie critics, community activists, and university professors blasted Avatar as a racist "White Savior film riddled with cultural appropriation" and "an amalgamation of the histories of various Indigenous cultures for a film that features a largely white cast." Natives even called for a boycott. . . Those quotes were from some satarist bloke in the UK and are just as exaggerated and innaccurate as those calling it a racist white savior film. Add to that a bit of youthful performative activism hopped up on some piss and vinegar with a dose of self righteous moral superiority and you have the modern pejorative definition of woke as used by many on both the left and the right. Of course these Avatards are going to have something negative to say, it's good for exposure, but the film wasn't marketed for the sake of wokeness, nor was it marketed in the way you've described it. These are not the reasons people went to see the film, nor was it the general impression of the audience, and certainly not the takeaway for kids. I think it's hilarious how you're trying to revenge troll Brent for poking fun at AOC's climate change movie that made less than a mediocre youtube channel.

Good for them, it was a long time in the making given it was written over 10 years ago and took 5+ years to film, but apparently, not woke enough. The moment the dolphins jumped out at an Avatar-themed spectacle, animal activists were ready to jump ship. Enraged at Cameron's betrayal, they posted a open letter and invited him on a trip to Japan re-educating him on slaughtering dolphins: "Now I’m wondering if I’ve wasted the last fifty-two years of my life doing this? After all, if we can’t even get through to this select group of well-educated filmmakers, maybe we’re wasting our time trying to educate ordinary people. . .At 83, I don’t want to spend my time wasting my time. I have been forced to rethink everything. . . I’d like to personally show them where the dolphins that entertained them so well most likely came from. . . and that trainers who purport to care for dolphins work alongside those who brutally slaughter dolphins." Cameron, who claims to have been as surprised as the audience, tried to calm the waters with an apology email: “So, if people really want to save the dolphins, they should put down the damn tuna melt … in fact, stop eating fish altogether and stick to plant-based proteins, as I have for the last 10 years. I wanted you to know this was a faux pas outside my ability to foresee or prevent, and that I’m sorry about it.” Then movie critics, community activists, and university professors alike blasted it for cultural appropriation: “Avatar: The Way of Water” amounts to little more than a White Savior film riddled with cultural appropriation." "Join Natives & other Indigenous groups around the world in boycotting this horrible & racist film." "At some point we gotta talk about the cultural appropriation of Avatar and white actors are cos playing as poc. It’s just a mess and so not necessary & no amount of visual effects/CGI is gonna erase that." "the new Avatar film is being accused of using an amalgamation of the histories of various Indigenous cultures for a film that features a largely white cast." “Why watch a ridiculous movie about blue aliens when you could just support actual Indigenous people and our struggle for clean water here on Earth? Yes, we do exist.” And then Cameron, forcing people to go vegan? And calling testosterone a toxin that needs to be purged from the body? . . .what a bunch of nut-holes.

All I'm saying is that the pandemic created a need for deficit spending that increased debt at a rate that deviated from the 10 year upward trend, just as it did after 9/11 and again during the 2009 recession - and I felt the graph I posted illustrated that quite clearly. So without the additional debt from the pandemic, it would've been more inline with that 10 year trend. (not that that would've been a good thing either, as it still falls way short of what Trump said he was going to do) I honestly didn't mean for this to become a Rep vs Dem pissing contest nor was I arguing in favor of Trump's tax cuts or how he handled the crisis. I've made it quite clear that I'm opposed to both parties, albeit for very different reasons.

Sure, what I don't understand is why you guys have such a problem with me pointing out that 2020 was an outlier due to the pandemic. I mean people on both sides keep cherry picking stats from that period as if it never happened.

John was specifically talking about the national debt, not the deficit.

Another hasty generalization. You guys are just full of fallacy today, aren't you? I try not to view the world with such a lop-sided perspective.

Well that's not what we were talking about and now you're just mad that I won't entertain your troll-ish junk cognition. My world doesn't revolve around Trump, and there are plenty of other threads where this has been discussed ad-nauseum. I might even recommend "Trump, The Forgotten Person" thread that's been going on for 2 years so far. Good luck with that.

They're next!

Let's look at the facts! Debt to GDP ratio, last four year of Obama: 2012 6.6% 2013 4.0% 2014 2.8% 2015 2.4% 2016 3.1% Cool! Obama had our debt ratio going down. Let's see how Trump did before the pandemic: 2017 3.4% 2018 3.8% 2019 4.6% Rising fast! Understandable, since he increased spending and cut taxes, which is the formula for huge deficits. Ok, so on average 3.78% for Obama and 3.93% for Trump. I'm basically going by the graph below. The rate from 1990 was relatively steady until 2001-02 after 9/11, then it maintains that rate until the recession in 2008-09, and then that rate maintains relatively steady until the pandemic. Not sure where Joe's taking us, but we're running out of room. So to sum it up, it looks like about every 10 years we get screwed by something. . .

It's getting blamed because that's what it was. The increase of debt for those first three years maintained the same rate since it got jacked back in 2008-2009.

Nonsense, you forget that this was about the cognitive parallels between you and a special subset of conservatives with their hasty generalizations based on a variety of outliers.

The one he declared in March 2020 when the national debt suddenly spiked.

No, we were in a pandemic. Your thought process sounds similar to conservatives I heard praising Trump the other day for getting gas prices under $2 dollars during his administration.

Lippy is a mod now? Why wasn't I told? Is it really that hard for you guys to figure out that he's not talking about Lippy?

It’s not uncommon for people to be ignorant and gullible. What’s your point? What's your point, that Brent's link is more of a "joke site" than Phil's? Brent simply did a search for "Hunter Biden's net worth" and picked the first link that came up, Phil did a general search for "net worth" and picked the second link (which was the first relevant link for his purpose) Brent's link portrays Hunter in a more positive light, listing his assets and various sources of income without including any debts that may offset those assets. Phil's link focuses more on his debts and how his money was lost in shady business deals, drugs and loose women. Neither seem to offer any commentary/spin on the current questions surrounding Hunter's residence at Biden's home and his access to confidential documents at a time when he was apparently more vulnerable and unstable than any other point in his life.

Who knows with this guy, estimates are all over the place from $1M to $20M to $220M to $330M on various sites, the CAknowledge link is just the first one listed on google over here when you search for "Hunter Biden net worth" or even "Hunter net worth." It's probably not uncommon for people to expect that to be at least somewhat reliable/accurate.

CAknowledge: Bus Stop, Plot No 242 Ring Road, Mahapura, Jaipur, Rajasthan 302026, India It kind of looks like many of the old neighborhoods in Detroit, except for the cows. From Phil's link since you guys apparently don't trust data from Indians: "In 2006, Hunter Biden and his uncle James Biden (Joe's younger brother), purchased a hedge fund called Paradigm Global Advisors. To buy the firm, they paid with an $8.1 million promissory note. Over their five year tenure at the firm, Hunter and James were not particularly successful investors. They reportedly lost money in frauds and Ponzi schemes on more than one occasion. During his time with the fund, Hunter drew an annual salary of $1.2 million. Hunter and James unwound the fund in 2010 allegedly and never paid off the $8.1 million promissory note. Unfortunately he was just as quick to spend the money and reportedly found himself with debt that topped $475,000 including $320,000 in unpaid federal taxes. Leaked emails and texts reportedly showed that Hunter spend his money on a fleet of toys – a 2014 Porsche, an Audi, an $80,000 boat, a BMW, two trucks and several Range Rovers. He also reportedly spent large sums on drugs and women. Hunter Biden was married to Kathleen Buhle from 1993 to 2017 (after separating in 2015). They have three children together. In a New Yorker interview, Hunter revealed that as of 2019 he lives off a monthly income of $4,000 after agreeing to pay his ex-wife $37,000 per month for 10 years when they divorced. From 2016 to 2019 he dated his brother Beau's widow. In May 2019 Hunter married South African filmmaker Melissa Cohen. They married 10 days after meeting." Odd, your idea of success.

Do tell! Per your guidelines, it's not advised to feed the troll as they only try to create chaos to make themselves feel better about something and to get others to call them "fucking idiots," as you put it. Or I could create a thread about the nature of trolling and how sad it is, then a few days later create a tit-for-tat troll revenge thread trolling the other troll thread. And, of course, never notice the hypocrisy.

My hands are tied The billions shift from side to side And the wars go on with brainwashed pride For the love of God and our human rights And all these things are swept aside By bloody hands time can't deny My hands are tied For all I've seen has changed my mind But still the wars go on as the years go by With no love of God or human rights 'Cause all these dreams are swept aside By bloody hands of the hypnotized

Live longer, go skydiving!

I'll give tribalism/lack of reason to the right and bad faith/ignorance to the left.