virgin-burner

got a decent offer for a safire2 139.. have to think about that one.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda

DO TELL! DO TELL!! DO TELL!!! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda

old fockin' geezer! already got a slot in the nursing home reserved!? hope its a good one for you!

from student, to own rig at 60 jumps, that meant from a 210 to the 150,. probably was never before so aware.. and did the piloting-course pretty much straight after.. is there so much difference from a square to a semi!? i have to test one to see for myself.. This will take some personal experience. Squares tend to open in a more forgiving fashion. I have had squares open with enough line twists to have the risers pin my neck down, and still fly along evenly. On an elliptical, it is going to do whatever the last line input was, and do it right-the-heck-now. So, if your body position needs improvement, it will teach you by going into a memorable spinning dive. You get to where you "feel" your opening through harness pressure (it pulls differently on one of the leg straps) and handle it by moving. People who don't, get a little 90-degree snap to one side, or worse. i always do get very consistent, on-heading openings, not that that says much about my body position on the current rectangular bitch.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda

spence, if you were to read this thread, you would probably be surprised.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda

from student, to own rig at 60 jumps, that meant from a 210 to the 150,. probably was never before so aware.. and did the piloting-course pretty much straight after.. is there so much difference from a square to a semi!? i have to test one to see for myself.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda

i wouldnt really say that learning to fly a new wing would bother me too much. i just feel that the sabre is not the tool best for that. just a more modern desing.. have to demo a safire2, maybe i set my expectations too high on that.. parafoil!? isnt that one used to "test" for other types of jumping!? edited to clarify “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda

ouh, and to add fuel to the fire, as some of you may know, i did my first WS jumps REALLY early. and stopped for another 100-something jumps. then i bought a mach1, already knowing i wouldnt jump that one for some time. did more flights with the prodigy and ended up buying a 2nd wingsuit, a classicII for those of you familiar with it. so, altough i might have stupid ideas, its not as if i got out and just do it anyway.. just for the record!

yea, probably, altough i usually just mess in the bonfire..

You knew that when you started the thread. Frankly, I am amazed at how well-behaved and helpful we all are in helping you dig your own grave. luvs u 2, did u check my sig lately!? “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda

and here i am, defending my own self against dorkzone and my mentors/instructors recommendations.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda

i actually declined in the offer to demo the springo.. and i do kind of like the longer arc of the safire compared to the sabre for the type of landing i intend to do.. and to be honest, no, i dont want to see ANY of you in the incidents. again, hence this thread..

uh...he's from Switzerland. I agree, though. thanks for that! 1.4 psf!? pounds pounds/square feet!? @jakee: i dont know what it is, so far i've had one off landing, at "my" dz, pretty much elevated from the level where we usually land thanks to my mad tracking skills. all joking aside, i think its a mental thing. everyone knows me there, my mentors are there, my instructors and so on. maybe i just need the extra pressure!? dont want to excuse anything with above statement, but with said off-landing, i had to deal with trees and power-lines and what not. when i stood it, i picked up my canopy and walked the 6ft to the road that led next to the farmhouse. jesus, this thread has turned worse in less time than i'd ever expected.. so, anyone got a safire2 rouhly the size for sale!? “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda

Well swooping correctly you should not need to add breaks (RIGHT) Im just talking about the actual dive of the canopy and its recovery to full flight. The Safire will do this much faster. I have jumped both and this is what I noticed. jeeeeesus, could you guys settlle on an opinion!? “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda

anyone got a safire2 149 for sale!?

i'm telling you a secret: for once, i did NOT try to stir the pot. altough, i'm very good at THAT!! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda

thanks bill for chimming in, so, safire2, sabre2, wont make that much of a difference then!? and to calm everybody down, i'll stay on the 150.. ok!? “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda

ok, ok, ok.. this is already getting way out of hand, and already going way too fast.. i stay on a more modern 150, say a sabre2 or the safire2, which of the two would help me more in my planned progression!? “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda

i take it, you misread then. i HAVENT made my choice yet, hence, this thread.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda

QuoteI'm trying to be civil but... SERIOUSLY? You came on here to ask a question you already knew the answer to. At least the answer you'd get. Why ask? I know you've read other downsizing threads since you titled this one "ANOTHER downsizing thread." Did you think you'd get different advice than the last guy with 200 jumps that wanted to skip a couple steps in his downsizing progression and start jumping a ridiculously small elliptical canopy? You know the answer, so go do what you want to do. Dave[/reply man, thats NOT the case. otherwise i'd just do what my people have told me and NOT make a fool of myself around here.. really! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda

so the sabre2 has a longer arc, as most modern swoop-canopies do, which will suit me better in the long run if i want to keep going the HP-way!? Yes. Sabre 2 150, sabre 2 135, crossfire 2 129 might (MIGHT, since I don't know you so just a general suggestion) be a sensible progression for you if you are interested in swooping. thanks!

Well that's wrong.... Its a better canopy because of that. If you were jumping a canopy like a crossfire, with a longer recovery arc. You would have less room for error. With the shorter recovery arc if you are in a dive and realize that you are to low you can release and come out of the dive quicker. Which is better then if you were jumping a canopy with a longer recovery arc. You can end up with bones broken or worse!!! That's backwards. Short recovery arc for swooping means whipping a turn at a very low altitude which leaves you NO room for error. With a canopy with a longer recovery arc you start your turn higher thereby leaving you more time to bail out should the need arise. Of course if you whip a low turn on a canopy with a longer recovery arc you're going to get hurt too but the ability/the need to start your turn a bit higher makes swooping a bit safer. Hence the choice of a sabre 2 over sabre, pilot, safire 1/2, spectre etc. that was my understanding, so, which canopy is the safer choice? sabre2 over safire2 if i understood correctly!? “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda

so the sabre2 has a longer arc, as most modern swoop-canopies do, which will suit me better in the long run if i want to keep going the HP-way!? if i was still keen on going one size smaller, i'd be safer on the sabre2!? dont get me wrong here guys, i seek for advice, as my head is kinda fucked from what i see and hear from "home" and what i keep on reading here.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda

in this country, ressources regarding canopy-piloting might be very limited. so i just try what i know best. about the head-question, if i was thinking with my dickhead, i wouldnt of posted ANOTHER thread that prolly turns into a flame-fest. i feel very ambivalent to my instructors/mentors recommendations and what i feel to be the safer/wiser choice.. i dont wanna end up like the jixter-guy (or whatever hisi name was), that ended up flaring with his fronts.. so, pilotdave, altough i respect you, please, keep it civil!

can you elaborate on why not a safire2!? bla-bla-bla, i'm from a dropzone where everyone jumps icaruses, except the hot boys on velos..