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Altho that's true about spending, the other thruth is about taxing and the R's just don't like taxing with their spending; all wine - no cheese for them. At the same time, the only other D in the last 28 years, Clinton increased spending 28% from first year to last. Counting inflation and population growth, that's at worst a break even, meaning he didn't increase spending.

OK, now I'm confused. How are the French responsible for this? They are responsible for Obama's way of thinking, and Obama will open up the government check book. (Way of thinking being socialistic, apologetic, and spineless. Sounds French, no?) The debt was: - 900B as Reagan took it in 1981 - 2.7T as Reagan left it - with a 250B/yr deficit - 4T as GHWB left it with a 290b/yr deficit - 5.5T as Clinton left it WITH A 236B SURPLUS AND THE DEBT WAS ALMOST LEVELED - 11.3T As Bush left it and left a MASSIVE MESS OF A DEFICIT, not sure it's actually tallied yet. So tell me, how is D spending so huge and teh R's fiscally responsible? Here is a little clip for you to help put things in perspective. I find it usually helps when someone draws a picture. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5fL469k9qc Yes this clip has been used on speakers corner before. I just thought I would post it again if you missed it. I find it usually helps when someone draws a picture, You'll get there, just keep trying. Not me, I can easily extrapolate from words. -------> Here is a little clip for you to help put things in perspective. I had to stop at intervals and fix all the fuckups on the vid; it's really just a RW video rag. - Under FDR with the GD and WWII we drive 40MPH to Greensburough, NC. ------so let's examine that. The GD and 4 years of fuck-ups and tax cuts, lassiz faire brilliance killing x number of Americans and ruining most things, this mess gets handed off to FDR. About all we can say for Hoover is that he finally came to his senses and jacked taxes to 63% top brkt. and started some relief programs. Other than that FDR inherited a total POS. Then after fixing it it turned south mid 37 and then the world was at unrest and he had a MAJOR war to contend with. So after setting us up to win, the debt grew undewr the GD and WWII. At least he had the sense to jack taxes to, at one point in 44-45, 94% top brkt. FDR handled the GD and war perfectly. Love to hear neo-cons bitch about his spending yet love hos bomb-dropping; the Manhattan Project cost 2B; quit bitching. - The car went backwards 20 MPH under Truman. ----------- BS, the debt was 258,682,187,409.93 in 1945 and 259,105,178,785.43 in 1952, which is kind, as using 1953 numbers is more acccurate and they're 7B higher. Remember kids, the top tax brkt was in the 90's during the 40's and 50's, the debt actually fell a couple years under Eisenhower. http://130.94.230.21/debt_history.htm Remember, the debt grew the most under time of WWII and when the top brkt was < 40%, < 30% it went to hell. The debt fell the most frequently from year to year when the top brkt was 70% to 90% and didn't take off until Reagan lowered the top brkt to 50%, then 38%, then 28%, that's what really hammered the debt from a very mangeable 900B to 5.5T by the time GHWB and Clinton could finally level it off. - Under facist Ronnie with a Dem Congress --------- This retard needs to understand the Senate was R but for the last 2 years when really few fiscal laws were passed. Most of the damage hadd been done the first 6 years. The narrator is an idiot. - Under Clinton with the Repblican congress. ----------- Hey idiot narrator, both chambers of congress were Dem for his first 2 years, the time when teh tax increases were passed. Very little was done after that, as Newt threw his dick up on the counter against Clinton and lost. -- Under GWB the debt car went 64MPH, ---------- these are adjusted for inflation, as he said. Reagan was 50MPH, GWHB was 63, so we see the real leadfoots here. -- Budget estimates for the next 8 years. ------------ Right, estimates. I wonder when Clinton took office I bet the adjusted estimates were for 4 trillion, but it endsed up being 1.6 with a huge surplus and balanced budget, sane debt increase. One factor dickhead narrator isn't factoring is the condition of teh debt car. To blame Clinton, GHWB or Obama for whatever spending/debt increase is idiotic, as their car was battered and running on 2 cylinders, the others had at least descent running cars. Of course the neo-con approach is to ignore this. What they're doing is looking at this as an abstract of the Obama's presidency. They're saying that if Obama passed a 787B stimulus Bill every year plus war appropriations for Bush's wars and so on that the 178MPH would be reality and they're right. If we kept this pace of spending up, that would be true. But this is spending directly related to: - Bush's 2 illigitimate Wars he didn't finish or win - Bush's crashed economy - Bush's 700B bank bailout - Bush's entire mortgage mess, much of what hasn't been uncovered yet But the other side says to let the economy fix itself and tax cuts, my friends. Brilliance. This logic is like lending a car with 250k miles to a neighbor and as he calls and says it broke down, you ask what he did to break it. Just ridiculous. Let's examine the individual presidents speed. FDR = 40 MPH Truman = -20MPH Reagan 50MPH GHWB = 63MPH Clinton 18MPH GWB = 64MPH So let's group them by party: Dems: Clinton 18MPH FDR = 40 MPH Truman = -20MPH AVERAGE: 12.66 MPH Repubs: Reagan 50MPH GHWB = 63MPH GWB = 64MPH AVERAGE: 59 MPH. So now who's the leadfoot party. But let's be fair and look at the totality of the issues during their presidencies. - FDR: GD, WWII - TRUMAN: DROPPED BOMBS, Postwar labor issues, postwar prosperity - REAGAN: COULDN'T FIND DIAPERS TO FIT QUITE RIGHT, THE PSEUDO-COLD WAR AGAINST A SO-CALLED ENEMY THAT WAS ON THE WAY OUT ANYWAY - GHWB: INHERITED A MESS FROM A DELUDED PRESIDENT, FORCED TO RAISE TAXES AGAINST HIS WISHES TO CONTROL THE DEBT, HAD TO REDUCE AN OVERBUILT MILITARY, GULF WAR - CLINTON: INHERITED A DEFICIT AND DEBT MESS FROM 8 YEARS OF REAGAN AND 4 OF GHWB TRYING TO FIX IT, ENJOYED THE COMPUTER START-UP ERA, - GWB: INHERITED THE TAIL END OF THE MOST ROBUST ECONOMY EVER, 911, KATRINA So that completes the picture, some presidents that sucked have a bit of an excuse, others do not. GWB had some bad shit happen, but handled it all wrong. Reagan had very little bad happen and totally fucked it up. Clinton had a great stretch of time and did most things right. Obama inherited a total abortion and to this early point has done very well. GHWB inherited a turd and never had teh chance to fix much, had the war as a distraction but handled it perfecctly. I apologize to conservatives for the data; I'm sure there are plenty of spelling errors you can investigate.

Considering you post about nothing of the thread topic - ditto.

With all respect, not sure what I did. We all tease a bit, I didn't overtly call anyone a weasle or other name, I want to cross that line, but I police myself.

Exactly, you can't show where I've ditched aquestion and when I answer, it's comprehensive, not some POS 3-word skate. All I have to do is flash my A&P license, current IA, PP lic, FCC GROL and I'm golden. And you, uh er, you did say you were a certificated pilot about 100 times.

15 years metal fab, then a BSME, then CWI & CWE added in the 20 years since. Worked for big oil, small oil, big construction, small construction, inspection, repair, and testing facilities. Now I work for myself. Certificated pilot. Built and flew my own experimental aircraft (a DR-107) from blueprints. Yeah, I'd say I have a slightly larger knowledge base to "draw" from. And yet you didn't state your profession for yourself. Deliver pizzas as a contractor??? So you allegedly built a DR-107 from prints, yet were unwilling to answer a few questions about acft sheetmetal forming and fasteners. Maybe your new friends here can hekp you via PM or email and you can act as tho you knew. To build an acft from plans, fab all the parts, you would know what swell and draw. What's teh N number then? Do you still have it? I call BS on most of that as you didn't dream it up until way later.

AP pay? I provide data, you provide nothing; I find mine more reliable.

Don't talk about it, show it. Post the thread link and I'll be on it. Right, you run and refuse to answer, apparently don't have the focus to read a page wth 400 words and now it's long. I think riddalin (sp) helps for that. I posted your misquoting me in this thread about 10 posts ago - you run from that. Now you say I'm doing it but have no evidence. Shit or get off teh pot. Hey unemployed engineer, go back to making trailers and no, I don't want fries with that. Quit trying to pass yourself as an acfft mech, the FAA might come down on you.

Right, but all of your commentary is pro-conservatove - DENIAL. Ok, this could be fun. How much are you willing to stake on your claim that all of my commentary is conservative? $10? $100? $1000? Better yet - how about this. If I take the effort to find 10 posts from 10 threads from 10 unique threads showing otherwise - you STFU and not post to Speaker's Corner for a full week? We know you'll weasel, but the offer is out there. Man up and accept it. Hillarious. Firstly, we woudl have to define conservatism and conservative issues. Secondly and most importantly, you're a Libertarian, pie-in-the-sky the church can heal everyone, fuck teh poor, fuck taxes, pro-pot and pro-abortion. Look, at the end of teh day, I'm not that huge on moral issues, I'm the biggest on fiscal issues, so TO ME YOU ARE CONSERVATIVE AS YOUR FISCCAL BELIEFS MIRROR CONSERVATIVE DESTRUCTIVE FISCAL SCREWUPS. So am I right, are you a Libertarian? It would be subjective and you would find posts where you advocate moral liberalrism, and I don't dispute those might exost. Show me 5 previous non-edited posts where you advocate anything liberal. Show me 10 posts where you have in the past advocated a tax increase or anything fiscally conservative. See, you fail to see that Liberatrians are virtually always Republcians atthe poll, that's where you're confused.

Only in your world is something as complicated as world economics so easily simplified to 2 variables. And so obvious that you presented no proof, just some funny God references. Sure there are many aspects, but there are primary aspects, causes, cures, etc. You guys will continue to defend TAX CUTS, MY FRIENDS until your balls fall off. Tell me then, I assert it was tax cuts and refusal to deficit spend and render aid in a big way, what should Hoover have done? Just answer the fucking question; what should Hoover have don in Oct 1929?

Why do neo-cons never post what they are replying to? I wrote: See kids, this is futility in action, instead of making a comment on the issue, he picks apart the use of an acronym that goes many ways mening the same thing. Neo-cons really are on their last leg, aren't they? We refer to them as Maint Repair Orgs, and no genie comes out of his bottle to slap our wrist. We woudl probably call them name sand huirt their sensitive RW litle feelings, so we don't. I've worked at them for years, as well as at FBO's and we call the small ones FBO's, some have repair sta licenses, some not. Tell me, what process is followed to sign off work at FBO's w/o a repair sta license? >>>>>>>>>There are MRO organizations but at the wrench turner level Maintenance, ... Right, I've worked at many of those. What's no diff than me quibbling over rivets? BTW, you probably didn't follow the other thread, but Belgian asked me 3 basic aviation questions, I answerd them corectly and claimed I answered 2 wrong. He begrudgingly recanted 1 after Bill essentially told him he was wrong, the other he split hairs and used a fringe to try to make a case. The rivets was about me then asking him what swell and draw is in regar dto riveting. He didn;t know, he guessed and it turns out he was a trailer assembler, nit an acft mech. I have 25+ years acft exp, I have an FAA mech license, FAA insp authorization and a Pilot's license and he thinks he knows more than me Show me where I claim to be an expert other than aviation structures. And not supporting any of it. See, the neo-cons have decided to misdirect the issue of their failed fiscal policy and make this a referendum on me ad hominem style. I'm ok with that, but at least bring something instead of the usual nothingness. Oh well, it that or spelling corections, just leave the neo-con cut tax and grossly overspend thing out. Show me where I was often wrong. What we say in sheetmetal is that if you want job security, give an A&P a drill motor and rivet gun. For clarity to all: - A&P mechs typically change landing gear, service, flt controls, engine work, systems, etc - Sheetmetal/structural mechs - Anything airframe. - Avionics remove/install radios, wires, etc. So I am an A&P/IA, PP, FCCGROL, but I specialize in airframe. So just because I'm an A&P doesn't mean I specialize in systems, engines, etc. That's because you are an A&P and you don't have a clue as to what full-time SM people do. Watch how it works: - drill the hole in the material to be fastened. - Debur - Join them and draw all gaps out, install rivet then shoot - If there are some areas where you cannot draw gaps out, insert solid rivet, SWELL THAT RIVET SLIGHTLY, then place the bar next to the rivet and tap the rivet head very lightly to DRAW THE MATERIAL DOWN using the swollen shank of the rivet to create tension to hold the laminates together while you shoot them together. So do you see how you must sweel the rivet before you draw it? To do the opposite would be like saying you could pull the cutaway or the reserve in any order; it just doesn't matter. I asked Belgian this to see his knowledge of acft SM as this is a technique known around the industry with SM veterans, not google-able. Normally we install those windscreen lower retaining strips screws and fiber nuts, as it is a bitch to buck inside under the inst panel. They come factiry with rivets. Rivets are better for a few reasons; was the Beech torndown? Esp the rivets on the corners, they are a bitch. Belgian was saying swell and draw related to a blind fastener, the truth is the fastener draws up the shank, the shank then swells. With blinds you really have to have the gaps pulle dout, the second the shaft swells on each laminate it's over; it's really a 1-shot deal. I know you feel the desire to run to the aid of a fellow conservative, fine, but ask any veteran SM guy what swell and draw means and he will verify this.

When you refuse to answer questions, you lose. I sued this group of people; 6 persons and 2 LLC's. Ended up with them in arbitration and one defendant just looked around the room and refused to answer a question. Guess what? He lost! You ask quetions, I answer, I ask you questions, you don't answer - YOU LOSE. Perhaps not in yoiur mind, but in your mind you think I was being mean in PM so I posted the 2 PM's and you kept a runnin. Dude, you're outta gas, just keep runin on by.

Yep, Obama just put a tarrif on Chinese tires and taht will backfire as the RW losers have dug us in so deep we have to suck Chinese dick. Right, so we have to tax the fuck out of the rich here and keep sucking Chinese dick......thanks fascist Ronnie. Begging the point that Chinee Communism is more efficient than American Capitalism.

They'd ask why an expert like yourself didn't know that a MRO commonly refers to Maintenance Repair and Overhaul. There are MRO organizations but at the wrench turner level Maintenance, Repair, Organization is more a system or software than a shop. See kids, this is futility in action, instead of making a comment on the issue, he picks apart the use of an acronym that goes many ways mening the same thing. Neo-cons really are on their last leg, aren't they? We refer to them as Maint Repair Orgs, and no genie comes out of his bottle to slap our wrist. We woudl probably call them name sand huirt their sensitive RW litle feelings, so we don't. I've worked at them for years, as well as at FBO's and we call the small ones FBO's, some have repair sta licenses, some not. Tell me, what process is followed to sign off work at FBO's w/o a repair sta license? >>>>>>>>>There are MRO organizations but at the wrench turner level Maintenance, ... Right, I've worked at many of those.

God was a comment on the ridiculuous standard of proof you want, not Christianity. No, you're not a Republican, you're a Libertairan, 3 degrees different, sorry. Right, but all of your commentary is pro-conservatove - DENIAL. Come on baby, wear it like a badge, you are conservative, quit the embarassment. You wanty low taxes and limited help to teh poor. I'm sorry you aren't able to understand my oh-so simple reff to God and affidavits, you're probably the only person who thought it was about Christianity

So, in other words, you're admitting you don't have proof. Good - maybe now you'll quit making the claim every time we turn around. Right, all you have to do is create a ridiculous standard of proof forr which there is none available and say, 'see, yiou can't prove it.' A guy was twice convicted in the courts for 1st deg murder using this standard you would embrace in the courts and demand his immediate execution, yet when it comes to defending your tax cuits my friends ideology you want beyond an absolute standard. Futility. It's obvious that what Hoover did: - Nothing - Cutting taxes - Refusing to deficit spend is what led to the xxxx# of deaths and suffering. He virtually tripled taxes and the GDP turned, the unemp rate fell and the market recovered. I was drinking too many diet sodas and my Kidney/adrenal gland was hurting, I quit and the pain went away. Do I have a notorized affidavit from my kidney? No, but I'm willing to put togther that some content of the soda is what led to it. I can go on obviosu and repretitive data, I don't need an affidavit from God. You would roll your eyes at a person on death row claiming their innocense, yet you want an obvious situation to be verified to unrealistic proportions if it includes teh handi work of your defunct party.

And you do so so you can keep a runnin along. Does anyone think you're not runnin? You just refuse to answer, yet you demand others' answer yours. Here's all this you ran from: ____________________________________________ I didn't write, "swell then draw". I wrote: I asked what swell and draw refers to in riveting practice, you replied by saying blind riveting. A blind rivet draws and then swells, not swell and draw. You misquoted me, which is why you rarely post a quote from the person you're replying to; patently dishonest. That was how I've always worded it, I posed it as swell and then draw to illustrate how a person could hypothetivcally characterize the action of a blind fastener, it just isn't ever used in the trade, but that even in your obscure answer that swell and draw could be somehow the process of a blind rivet with your guess, tat's even wrong because IF thatg language was used it would hypothetically be draw and swell. I asked what swell and draw refers to in riveting practice, you replied by saying blind riveting. A blind rivet draws and then swells, not swell and draw. Look, dude, yiou fucked up, you know not what you talk about, you guessed and now you're trying ot run away. What do you think you ended the, as you called it, the 20 questions? Your lack of acft knowledge would have been further expanded. And that's how you make your living in these arguments; semantics. I have been in aviation since age 17, really flying with my dad sicne age 5. I have 30 years acft exp not counting the very small breaks, 25 years if you take my resuem dates and add them up. 20 years have been in acft structures and sheetmetal, I will post a myriad of pics on photobucket of some projects I have done recently and am still doing 1. If you went to a shop referring to shooting a cherrymax as, "shoot and draw" or "draw and shoot" they would start to question your knowledge, intensely. If you want to feed me a shit sandwich here and want me to believe that shooting a cherry is a product of shoot and draw then I refuse to take a bite. You told me I know nothing about trailer construction; I agree. I told you you know nothing about acft structure; you dishonestly disagree. Do you think anyone is fooled? So to write some general BS like that is ridiculous. Plastics can be welded thru a different process, and if you're good enough you can probably get far different metal alloys to weld. The point I made was that 6061 is known as the weldable aluminum, not that any others cannot, the question is one of, "why weld other metals when the weld doesn't have the same integrity?" Spruce is the standard for acft wood, not the only wood used, just the standard. 6061 is the weldable aluminum, not the only aluminum taht can be welded, just the most weldable. 20-70 is the standard for carb icing in recip acft, not the only place, just the most predominant range with humidity. 20 degree turns is a standard for commercial flying, it depends upon other factors that will make it vary, it might be 17 or 22 or???, but it is a good standard by which to refer to standard turns w/o going into a diatribe. See, and you agree, but when you get your ass handed to you in an argument, you then turn to fringe futility to try to misdirect the fact you lost. Again, do you think all can't see it? The best example is here: - If I said pie was 3.1416 you would reply by saying, 'no, pie is not a definite number, so you are flat wrong. - If I said the earth was a sphere, you would say, 'no, it's an oblate spheroid. - If I said the numnerical value something was 9, you would say, 'no, it is 9.0, and then refer to significant digits. - If I said a person was 30, you would sday, 'no, he is 30 1/2.' We all see the method of futility in your madness and I don't think anyone buys it. You can take any issue and become futile and then claim victory. _________________________________________________ Nope, the original question was for you to tellme what swell and draw means in regard to riveting, you guessed it was blind riveting, I pointed out it was not so you broke into this barrage of BS about the rivet swelling as it was being drawn up. I said that even if that wa sthe case, it would be draw and then swell, in that order, but that is not how it is termed in acft, GA or MRO, perhaps in your speciality, trailer building it is used. Meanwhile as I hand your ass to you you claim a limited time around avaition, yet you have some knowledge of welding in avaition? Yet you haven't told us your occupation, and I still want fries with that. Show us your vast amount of googling you've done in regard to welded acft parts, you keep claiming I'm wrong or limited, but fail to show your oh so vast knowledge. Truthfully, very little is welded in acft. Probably accessories/cases, but very fw strictural parts and probably no primary structure. The idea is that it's invasive so unless you have to, don't. I can't think of 1 keel beam, frame, stringer, skin or any other primary structure that is welded. I brought it up saying it could be done, but THE STANDARD IS STILL 6061. You have yet to refute that, just play your circus games. My dad was a welder all his life so I knew it before I went into aviation, but you learn that early in avaition as well, for the few welded aluminum parts there are, that they always use 6061 unless there is a reason they can't - I have not heard of one - you're claiming brilliance, bring it via your new research.

And you're like the rest of the conservatives; give me an affidavit from God or Jesus or I won;t believ it based upon a reasonable standard of proof. And yes, you don't have to provide an affirmative defense for your party's tax cuts and you can still hide behind - 'you can't prove it.' As I've told many here, the standard of proof to execute people allows for inferrential evidence and the tax cuts or basically Lassiz Faire approach is plenty to show the death and devastation (to whatever tally) caused by: A) Doing nothing B) Panderring to the rich, as the R's do today But yes, you can still claim until the affidavit from God it's all speculation and that TAX CUTS, MY FRIENDS isn't deluded. Right, we can execute people on one standard, yet you demand a standard far higher to PROVE that it was more than coincidential timing with tax cits, then devastation. Of course the other option is deficit spending, and since we coddel our rich, taht's what we do. Me spending hours trying to find the truth and sharing teh data and my opinion are honorable, dishonorable is illustrated here: ...I don't have to refute it... You could offer alternative theories and delve into it, but no, I have no affidavit from God, so it must be BS.

OK, now I'm confused. How are the French responsible for this? They are responsible for Obama's way of thinking, and Obama will open up the government check book. (Way of thinking being socialistic, apologetic, and spineless. Sounds French, no?) The debt was: - 900B as Reagan took it in 1981 - 2.7T as Reagan left it - with a 250B/yr deficit - 4T as GHWB left it with a 290b/yr deficit - 5.5T as Clinton left it WITH A 236B SURPLUS AND THE DEBT WAS ALMOST LEVELED - 11.3T As Bush left it and left a MASSIVE MESS OF A DEFICIT, not sure it's actually tallied yet. So tell me, how is D spending so huge and teh R's fiscally responsible?

How short are the memories. The bailouts were initiated by the Bush administration. The financial industry precipitated this mess because deregulators left no adult supervision of the banks. Oh please brother..... Obama out spent bush in 8 months and he wants to bankrupt us with this pork barrell health care bill. Get real Bush ran the debt up 5T, how do arrive at that? Bush inherited a descent economy, Obama inherited the worst in 70 years; how do you figure? Obama spent on what, the 787B stimuls which is largely still there, what else? He only spent to take a dangerously messy economy and bring it back inline; where is your excessive spending? You're outta gas, there is none.

How short are the memories. The bailouts were initiated by the Bush administration. The financial industry precipitated this mess because deregulators left no adult supervision of the banks. And they have no Adult supervision for the last 6 years because of Barney Frank. But you go ahead and keep blaming Bush. If you say "it's Bushes' fault" enough, it will magically fix itself. Bush and the R congress cut taxes which started this mess. Isn't it amazing that things go to fuck under an R president and congress most of the time?

How short are the memories. The bailouts were initiated by the Bush administration. The financial industry precipitated this mess because deregulators left no adult supervision of the banks. Amazing, isn't it? Virtually the whole debt is the doing of the right, yet the fault is the left's; I don;t wonder how were such a FU'd nation.

Yea, our #4 product; fuck it, fuck America - let it burn How long can we fail to produce products and still have a high GDP so we can pay the bills for matching the world dollar for dollar in military spending?

Please show one where I corrected. I might tell others to quit correcting, but I don't correct and say there, I'm right cause you mispelled/used in wrong context. I get it, you're out of gas and looking to earn credit on other than the issue. Past tense - there, is your finicky world all better now? And you know little to nothing about how unemp stats are compiled. Even if it were that, that is massive, not sure what your point it. Oh yes, tax cuts my friends was a good idea, that's right. But you'll just avoid that one like the plegue (I gave ya that one so you had something to write about next time.) Oh, majority, so more than half is ok, tax cuts my friends. The saying, 'more peole are talking now and doing less than before when they were doing more and talking less. I agree with it. I won't pretend to have a crystal ball of the past if you don't. Who knows who was 'zoomin' who and how often. Right, right, right, but it couldn't have been, sing along folks....T A X C U T S, M Y F RI E N D S. Nnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooo! Even tho right after it kicked off, tax cuts, XXXXXXXX dead and devastated and then tax increase in June 32, numbers started flipping. Hell, FDR didn't raise taxes until 36 as it appeared to me, he just went off Hoover's late tax increase. See, you have the approach that, 'It wasn't the tax schedule, I wonder what it was?' OPEN YOUR MIND. And Smoot-Hawley affected other countries more than us. As a sidenote, Smoot, Hawley and Hoover were all Republicans like you . All the act did was to make countries work their problems alone. We could have raised taxes and opened welfare, but since the top .10% owned all of what the bottom 40% owned then we weren't in the habit, as we aren't now, of making the rich only moderately more rich. And you can't refute it. It's really an opinion matter, but tax cutters like you refuse to see that we go thru of our worst times under low taxes; worst recessions, highest debts/deficits. As for the number of dead as a result of teh GD, it's impossible to statistically figure, as that data wasn't tracked then. All we can do is look at census data, draw any other data we can and draw a conclusion. After tossing this around, did 12M die as a result of the GD, I doubt it. Did 7M die as a result of the GD? Probably not. Can we say 1M infants, dust bowlers who died from the dust inhalation from bacteria probably, malnutrition, starvation, lack of medical, crime, etc..............as a result of yoru favorite Lassiz Faire genius approach? Sure, I think to say < 1M is ridiculous, so with that, let's examine what policies did this and why. Oh yea, your fav, not teh government's job Katrina, not the govs job . I don't want to live in your governemtn and fortunately that's changing so the gov isn't like yours anymore.

I didn't write, "swell then draw". I wrote: I asked what swell and draw refers to in riveting practice, you replied by saying blind riveting. A blind rivet draws and then swells, not swell and draw. You misquoted me, which is why you rarely post a quote from the person you're replying to; patently dishonest. That was how I've always worded it, I posed it as swell and then draw to illustrate how a person could hypothetivcally characterize the action of a blind fastener, it just isn't ever used in the trade, but that even in your obscure answer that swell and draw could be somehow the process of a blind rivet with your guess, tat's even wrong because IF thatg language was used it would hypothetically be draw and swell. I asked what swell and draw refers to in riveting practice, you replied by saying blind riveting. A blind rivet draws and then swells, not swell and draw. Look, dude, yiou fucked up, you know not what you talk about, you guessed and now you're trying ot run away. What do you think you ended the, as you called it, the 20 questions? Your lack of acft knowledge would have been further expanded. And that's how you make your living in these arguments; semantics. I have been in aviation since age 17, really flying with my dad sicne age 5. I have 30 years acft exp not counting the very small breaks, 25 years if you take my resuem dates and add them up. 20 years have been in acft structures and sheetmetal, I will post a myriad of pics on photobucket of some projects I have done recently and am still doing 1. If you went to a shop referring to shooting a cherrymax as, "shoot and draw" or "draw and shoot" they would start to question your knowledge, intensely. If you want to feed me a shit sandwich here and want me to believe that shooting a cherry is a product of shoot and draw then I refuse to take a bite. You told me I know nothing about trailer construction; I agree. I told you you know nothing about acft structure; you dishonestly disagree. Do you think anyone is fooled? So to write some general BS like that is ridiculous. Plastics can be welded thru a different process, and if you're good enough you can probably get far different metal alloys to weld. The point I made was that 6061 is known as the weldable aluminum, not that any others cannot, the question is one of, "why weld other metals when the weld doesn't have the same integrity?" Spruce is the standard for acft wood, not the only wood used, just the standard. 6061 is the weldable aluminum, not the only aluminum taht can be welded, just the most weldable. 20-70 is the standard for carb icing in recip acft, not the only place, just the most predominant range with humidity. 20 degree turns is a standard for commercial flying, it depends upon other factors that will make it vary, it might be 17 or 22 or???, but it is a good standard by which to refer to standard turns w/o going into a diatribe. See, and you agree, but when you get your ass handed to you in an argument, you then turn to fringe futility to try to misdirect the fact you lost. Again, do you think all can't see it? The best example is here: - If I said pie was 3.1416 you would reply by saying, 'no, pie is not a definite number, so you are flat wrong. - If I said the earth was a sphere, you would say, 'no, it's an oblate spheroid. - If I said the numnerical value something was 9, you would say, 'no, it is 9.0, and then refer to significant digits. - If I said a person was 30, you would sday, 'no, he is 30 1/2.' We all see the method of futility in your madness and I don't think anyone buys it. You can take any issue and become futile and then claim victory.