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I have to raise a question about all this. Despite 15 comrades now having what's probably a horrific ordeal 'in the bag' - how on earth did they get captured and surrender???? Seven of them were Bootnecks ffs. An old college mentioned the other day; 'Fucking hell, if it had been us it'd be "IRANIANS MASSACRED" 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Fuck the SA XD40 - I'd always recommend a 2lb lump hammer

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S0 - he's at least 68.......no fuckin' wonder he's become a fruit loop. Jesus! - Imagine having a pensioner fly you off on your travels! Which most of you all do! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

I laughed/chuckled. Reminded me of a chap in Iraq insisting that Saddam was a 'VERY BAD MAN!' (2003) My mate decided to contradict him; 'No! Saddam GOOD!!' 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Anyway - if it was my mother-in-law I'd at least drop a MOAB on her melon prior to stoofing myself in.

Regards to everyone who's thoughts considered the factor of pilot thinking, 'Look at me!!!!!.' That's pretty enlightened taking into regard the assumption the staters aren't pilots. Or is a bit of knowledge of low hooking motivation coming into it here? Anyway, as the man said, enough about aviation, lets talk about meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! And sleep......................................... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

So if I'm understanding you right, it's got nothing to do with precipitation or meteorology? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

What's a rain check???? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

It is disappointing yet fairly common place. Or at least, common place from the 'problem children.' Most platoons have them. It's not as if most lads joining the Infantry are fine upstanding gentlemen are they? Although the military generally squares such characters away. Generally. It's certainly one method to destroy any support from the locals, which is something I've harped on enough times about in the past, i.e. hearts and minds, bla, bla, bla. Now, if I were to catch the lads doing this, they would be in a world of cabbage. Seriously. And I'd have to exert some effort in not laughing over it all with them. I know - I'm going to hell. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Probably nothing more than a single digit off; 'Powder, talcum, foot.' or 'Cheese, Possessed, best before: 6012.' Ha! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Hahaha! Yeah, right! Stare! Also, I'm sure you've gone and doctored the original pic. of the cartridges I looked at! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Strap this to your sore ass: 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

PM the answers you wanker! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Fuck it - 5.56 NATO, Soviet 7.62 short?, 7.62 NATO, don't know, and a Winchester 12ga 3" partition gold shotgun slug!

Fair enough - I was speaking/texting to a guy I know a few months back about another guy who killed himself, by apparantly cutting his risers at a DZ not far from me. Anyway, I mentioned the simple statement of; 'how I could think of a lot better ways to top myself.' The reply: "Yes, me too - I'd cut myself in half with a bandsaw." Sorry - it made me laugh so much I nearly crashed the car.........Taxi!! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Sorry! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

My 'Taking-the-piss-ometer' needle just flicked into the amber area Randall. I swear to God if it goes to red I'll be on the first flight to Chicago to kill you with your own shoe.

Is that how you lost all your hair prof' and turned green???

Bunch of silly wee boys. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

Another thing which pisses me off is the amount of people who are happy to gob off and talk down of Arabic people, yet have never even been to the Middle East. They've seen the news of course, and formed their own misinformed opinion. And some daft fucker will be sat there, reading this, thinking I'm some kind of Arab lover. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

I'm sure the civilian population of An Nasiriyah might like to explain their firsthand experience of Cobra gunships and MLRS during Spring, 2003. In today's war fighting scenario's, proportionate responses to situations can be a more than critical area. And again, the resulting actions mentioned question professionalism and moral leadership from certain coalition forces. It's one example of bad, I could provide some more. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

That's a good point Randy - obviously nobody can know for sure - as far as I'm aware there isn't an official 'innocent Iraqi's killed' counter. The result was an analysis written by an international team of public health researchers, so getting there at least, in regards to at least estimating numbers killed: 'The project was designed by Les Roberts and Gilbert M. Burnham of the Center for International Emergency, Disaster and Refugee Studies at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore; Richard Garfield of Columbia University in New York; and Riyadh Lafta and Jamal Kudhairi of Baghdad's Al-Mustansiriya University College of Medicine. Based on the number of Iraqi fatalities recorded by the survey teams, the researchers calculated that the death rate since the invasion had increased from 5 percent annually to 7.9 percent. That works out to an excess of about 100,000 deaths since the war, the researchers reported in a paper released early by the Lancet, a British medical journal. The researchers called their estimate conservative because they excluded deaths in Fallujah, a city west of Baghdad that has been the scene of particularly intense fighting and has accounted for a disproportionately large number of deaths in the survey. "We are quite confident that there's been somewhere in the neighborhood of 100,000 deaths, but it could be much higher," Roberts said. When the researchers examined the causes of the 73 violent deaths collected in the study, 84 percent were due to the actions of coalition forces, although the researchers stressed that none was the result of what would have been considered misconduct. Ninety-five percent were due to airstrikes by helicopter gunships, rockets or other types of aerial weaponry. Forty-six percent of the violent deaths involving coalition forces were men ages 15 to 60, but 46 percent were children younger than 15, and 7 percent were women, the researchers reported. The researchers and the Lancet editors acknowledged that the study has clear limitations, including a relatively small sample of violent deaths that were examined directly and the researchers' reliance on individual memories for some information. But the researchers said the findings represent the most reliable estimate to date. The paper was "extensively peer-reviewed, revised, edited" and rushed into print "because of its importance to the evolving security situation in Iraq, Richard Horton, the journal's editor, wrote in an accompanying editorial. But Garlasco of Human Rights Watch said it is extremely difficult to estimate civilian casualties, especially based on relatively small numbers. "I certainly think that 100,000 is a reach," Garlasco said. In addition, his group's investigation indicated that the ground war, not the air war, caused more of the deaths that have occurred.' 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

An estimation of 100000 civilians killed by coalition forces towards the end of 2004. Civilians killed by the resulting civil war? More. I don't have the figures - still, how often did you read or hear some snippet of information stating 132 or 89 people killed today by suicide bombers in Iraq? Lost count? Yep, mission definitely and unequivocally accomplished. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'