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Thank you Jerry. An email has been sent. Thank you for the suggestion. On a humorous note.... when you click on the "Contact" link, it recommends checking the FAQ section. In the FAQ section there is a question "Can I delete my account". The reply is: Can I delete my username No. You can not delete a username at this time. If you registered another name then simply continue to use the new account. Old dormant accounts may be purged. LMAO! Would you expect anything less from a site like this?? haha I have asked politely. I have insulted posters and used profanity. (Clearly this SHOULD have been a violation of forum rules and reason for instant deletion) And now I have emailed the website. Who is this "Gregspo" you speak of? Just in case I need suggestions.....

.....crap, I'm still here. Are there no moderators on this forum?? You were asked for technical information as to the operation of equipment. But you missed that and mistook it for something else. While I am waiting for the moderator to delete my account and posts, I might as well continue the train wreck for you. This seems to be the real interest on this forum. You even have a section for it. I assume that is what a "sticky" is. I am not arguing with you, I am clearly explaining to you why you are wrong. Let's pretend this was a forum for........oh say.....the automotive industry. And it covers all the basic sections such as learning to drive, transmission, engine, body, interior, electrical etc.... ....and a new student went to the section on "engine" and asked a TECHNICAL question as to the operation and function of an internal combustion engine. Let's just pick one for this fun example. Uh....how about "does the engine have a direct connection from the foot lever to the engine or is it fake" And let's also add in the question or statement that "I pushed and pushed on it and nothing happened" Please pay attention now, as I will explain how you all fail so miserably. Here are examples of the content of the answers you would post. "You are a student driver, why are you worried about the gas pedal" "Did you do as you were told by your instructor" "Was the car running" "Are you sure your foot was on the pedal?" "Many students get this wrong" "Foot pedals are real, they are called Gas Pedals". (Ding, ding, ding, ding WE HAVE A WINNER! A direct answer to the question! Let's continue) "Are you sure you were pressing on the gas pedal?" "Did you ask your driving instructor" "Maybe you should take it to a mechanic" (insert various posts about being a skydiver playing a prank and various "troll" insults. Then make sure to deleted those posts later so no one else can read them. Leaving just back to back questions from the original poster) "Gas pedals have a direct linkage to the carburetor" This is were it get's fun. Original poster asks questions to qualify that answer. Posts video that shows addition clarifying information on that one statement. "You need to leave" "Stop going on the internet and trying to prove us wrong" "Asking too many questions will bore us and annoy us" "You asked where you need to take the car to find out what happened" "The instructor is the only one that knows" "You need to take another driving lesson" "Please don't correct us and don't come back" yada yada yada yada yada There....wasn't that fun? Do you understand now where you went wrong?? And still trying to argue that YOU DID answer the question correctly? Go back through this thread and remove every post that has in it statements like the ones posted above. Then you will get it. Now were is the moderator on this forum?? Do you even have one? Who maintains order on here? Oh wait....never mind on that one.....

.....it's like a train wreck....you guys just can't look away, can you? haha .....so here is some more for you...... Not one of you were EVER asked for your mother fucking advice. Not once. But nooooooo, you just can't help yourselves. You have to open up your cock suckers and give all this shit advice that has NOTHING to do with the topic of the thread! What the fuck is wrong with you guys?? I didn't ask "Hey sky gods, where should I go and who should I ask to find out what happened on my jump?" Nope. Didn't ask that. But boy you guys sure can't help yourself, can you?? Probably won't get my account deleted either. I'm one of the few concise intelligent posters that you have on here. And definitely one of the few that understand the value and answering a question directly instead of giving UNSOLICITED advice. It's a shame really. But it's okay. You are what you are. All I'm asking now is to have my name, account and all my posts removed from this site. ..........but you are all too fucking stupid to get it. But maybe the profanity will get the attention of the moderator....... Unless he's one of you assholes. lol THAT should do it! Thank you.

I will not have my name associated with this mother fucking site. Or have my posts displayed on this mother fucking site. .............that should do it. haha

Before you go....could you get together with some of the others and ask the moderator to delete this thread and please delete my account? Some of the posts on this thread have already been removed or deleted, so I know it can me done. I have no option that I can find to delete this thread or my account. Seriously, please complain to the moderator and ask that I be removed from this forum. Thank you.

......so explain to me again the purpose of this forum?? haha

Here is what we have learned on this thread. (Or "should" have learned) There are no "fake" or "dummy" ripcords. They are real and are called release handles. (Currently this information has neither been supported, amended or debunked) The release handle on the student side is connected and part of the release handle on the instructor side. What works on one side, should work on the other. Toggles on reserve parachutes on Tandem rigs can be either red OR yellow. The best time to ask question about your jump is immediately after your jump. The best person to ask is your instructor. He is the only one that has actual information about your jump and what took place. Asking questions on this forum will annoy some. Correcting them will annoy them even more. Not all information or questions are welcomed. Especially if you are "the noobe". This is all valuable information.

"I" was asked if I was under a reserve. I replied: "Is there an easy way to tell?" I was told, "if I was under a reserve, the toggles would be red". I then discovered that this information was not "entirely" accurate. And I posted an "amendment" to the above information that "not all reserve parachutes on tandem rigs have red toggles" And posted video proof. (google "reserve tandem ride", it's the first video that pops up btw) You are big boys. You jump from airplanes. Your wittle feelwings shouldn't be hurt so easily from "amendments" to your posts. Or for that matter, being shown you are wrong.

The purpose of this thread was for information purposes only. Information that is not validated, should be quantified or qualified with "in my experience" or "in my opinion". Information posted should be amended by anyone and everyone that has additional information to validate, vet, quantify or qualify said information. This is for the purpose and benefit of everyone reading the thread to obtain the most accurate and up-to-date information. It is not "arguing". Posting information that is amended by fact or personal experience, should not "annoy" anyone. It is for the purpose of maintaining accuracy. The personalities here on DZ.com are not conducive for acquiring information on ANY level. Not even on a level meant for pure discussion. Therefore, is there any way to remove this thread from this forum? Or remove my account completely? Thanks

Check Don't ask questions here. Got it, thanks.

Just trying to vet the difference between fact and opinion on here. Red toggles on all reserves is not fact. I asked the question "Is there a simple way of telling if it was a reserve". Answers were given to me related to the color and type of toggles. I may be mistaken. I thought the purpose of this forum was for acquiring information. Not to flame, criticize or insult. I will continue to use all means of information I have at my disposal. As I have stated several times, this is for my own reference only, and not to determine fact as to what took place. I have also stated several times that the instructor is the only one that knows exactly what happened and I am in the process of attempting to locate him. So....for those reading posts on this forum for information and reference..... Toggles on a reserve canopy of a Tandem rig "can" be yellow and single loops.

[url]http://youtu.be/Ft0ek8QW6cQ Tandem reserve ride....yellow toggles not red. Guess reserve ride is no longer ruled out by not having red toggles. Still waiting to hear back from the DZ and trying to locate the instructor. Will post when I find anything out. Thanks again for all the help and possible theories.

Agreed. I need to do another one and most importantly, ask questions after the jump and before I leave. I'm still trying to track down the instructor. Like I stated earlier, trying to figure out what "could" have happened is only for my reference at this point. Only the instructor can answer for sure as to what happened. Some things make sense, others do not. As for the time it took for things to happen in the air.....I could be way off. My perception of "time" may have been altered by me being "amped up" during the jump. Things I know for a fact......I know what I had in my hand. I know how hard I pulled it. Whether it was hard enough or not, or if it opened the container, I do not know for sure. I know the steering toggles had only one loop as we had to pass them between us. And they were yellow, not red. So I guess that rules out the reserve. I'll pass on the information after I find out in case anyone is interested. All in all, a moot point as to what really happened I guess.

Couldn't agree with you more. There is nothing more of a pain in the ass than a student that "thinks" he knows everything. Especially if he is running his mouth instead of listening. Being a sponge for knowledge, I understand the value of listening. My ears are open and my mouth is shut. Posting here was solely for the purpose of knowledge and understanding of "possible" scenarios. It's informative to pick the brain of those of you with actual experience. I will contact the DZ and see if I can talk to the instructor. All in all, it doesn't really matter what exactly happened. The instructor did an outstanding job. The only thing that keeps sticking in my head was how dang hard I had to pull the release. I mean DANG! If that was normal, I'm not strong enough to skydive. In which case I will need to work out or stay away from jumping. I'm really only trying to find piece of mind for what happened or didn't happen when I pulled. I'm harder on myself than any instructor would be.... (I'm working on this) 1. I pulled correctly and it opened correctly. Time it took to deploy and open was within normal limits. (most likely) 2. I didn't pull hard enough and the instructor deployed the main. (also likely, but hard for me to accept) 3. The container didn't open and the instructor deployed the reserve. (prolly the least likely, but easiest for me to accept at this point) I will follow up with the DZ and see if I can come to a conclusion. The instructor is the only one that really knows what happened for sure. And I am solely at fault for NOT asking. Can't learn if you don't ask. Thanks again for all the excellent expertise.

Thank you guys for your posts! Things are starting to make a whole lot more sense now based on all the events "after" the jump. A couple of things.... When it was time to pull, I crossed with my left arm and reached with my right for the pull. I found the release instantly and pulled it out as far as it would go. (felt like 8-10 inches or so). I held it there. I did not feel or hear anything. I relaxed it and pulled it again HARD and held it out. I still felt nothing or heard nothing. Now I gave it three hard "totally pissed off" type pulls that were hard enough to yank the instructor as I felt him move. I then put both my hands in front of his face. There was a solid "two" count from there where it was calm and nothing was happening. I then felt a "pop" and heard the container open and the chute start to deploy. I didn't feel the drop I did the first tandem jump though. As it was deploying, I reached up for the risers and watched. (I watch tons of videos and was doing my best to pretend I was a skydiver). lol We were both looking up at the chute as the slider was still against it. It was taking FOREVER to open (over three seconds seems like forever) and I even had time to say "damn that thing sure is sniveling!! After I said that it very slowwwwwly slid down and opened. I don't have anything to compare that to, but it sure seemed slow and ridiculously soft. I would say we were vertical and watching for a good 4-5 seconds. After it opened, we did a slight turn and he announced that he was going to do a stall. He did two in a row. Then some turns. Then he put his feet together for me to stand on and said he was going to "give my balls back to me" and unhooked something on the harness that lowered me like a foot but was WAY more comfortable. The chute had ONE set of toggles. He had me reach up and put my hands in the loop with his hands and then had me take the toggles. He instructed me to do some turns and then had me pull them all the way down and stall the canopy a third time. Those were my first stalls and a lot less exciting then I thought they would ever be. He then took the toggles back from me. If it is a FACT that only reserves have single toggles, then it was definitely a reserve. Landing was a slide in on our butts. The flare was not much of a flare at all and more of a round out. All I thought was "dang we seem heavy". As soon as we stopped he unhooked me and said "you can go over there now" pointing to the patio as another jumper came up to him instantly. Like I said earlier, it was like everyone disappeared after that but I didn't think much of it because it was well past closing time. I will look on the certificate they game me an see if I can contact the instructor. All of this is only for my personal knowledge and understanding of the sport and what had happened. I am a nut when it comes to my thirst for knowledge and understanding. Thanks again for all the support and information. A reserve ride seems to make the most sense. It doesn't change how I feel about anything as everything did as it was designed to do except for the main if that is in fact what happened. Gotta say....it sure was fun!

Are there any actual tandem instructors or tandem masters on this site? Or educated skydivers that can give some intelligent input as to any and all possible scenarios that may have caused the situation I experienced? And please.....2000 post "wanna be's" pretending to be an instructor need not post a reply. Like those of you with USPA Ratings like "F-111" or "Lo-Po" or "Zero-P". I would prefer A, B, C or D rated or equivalent licensed skydivers. Thanks (I was really hoping I didn't have to use terms like "thingy", "do-hicky" and "thing-a-ma-jig" to get an intelligent answer or to be taken seriously)

Really guy? This is why I avoid forums like the plague. And also why these forums are a waste of time for knowledge. This is how you treat new people into your sport?? By calling them a troll? I had to look up what "trolling" was. All I can say is what a shame....

No jerking anyone around. Not a skydiver or TM. I am however, very educated. And when I research something, I research it all the way. Hundred's of hours educating myself. 10 years is a very long time to learn everything you can about something. I'm sure I know as much, if not more, than most licensed skydivers. I like to study. I just don't have the jumps. I have two tandems and 10 minutes tunnel time from 10 years ago. I didn't have to read the entire manual. It had an appendix. Section 2: Equipment • Chapter 1 of the manual has some great color pictures of the deployment system and explains the system very well. I guess I'm going with "didn't pull hard enough". After all the help and information I learned today, that seems to make the most sense. I pulled "out to the side". Not sure if that was the best or proper direction. I pulled it in the direction the instructor demonstrated on the tram. Out and parallel to to bottom of the container or straight out to the side. Is there a simple way of knowing if we were under the reserve? I didn't notice anything different about it. And after reading about the Sigma system today, if the container was locked, and the reserve was deployed, wouldn't we be trailing the drogue and bridle?? Would I be able to see it trailing behind us? I didn't look for one but didn't notice one either. It was the last jump of the day. Everyone was gone. The instructor was in a rush and I didn't really have any questions. He gave me a certificate and left. Everyone was gone by then anyway. This issue only came up after I started reflecting on the event. I always assumed it was just a dummy drogue release for training. It wasn't until today that I learned otherwise. I am still very interested in the sport. I absolutely love the feeling of falling. (was a little disappointed how little "falling" you actually feel) I really appreciate all the help and information. If I decide to become a skydiver, I will have to make sure I can pull hard enough to open the system.

....okay....scratch that. I just read further in the manual and it appears that after drogue deployment, the safety pin system is deactivated. I'm still confused as to why it didn't open when I pulled..... After reading the system manual, I have to say it is an ingenious system! Thanks for all the help, I really appreciate it.

Thanks for the great information! I went on Sigma's sight and downloaded the manual. I love to study things in depth. Wow...that manual explained a lot! But opened another can of worms... After reading the manual, it is possible that something else happened. First of all, there is no way that system can fail on one side and not the other. I pulled it SO HARD I was jerking the instructor and could feel him and the rig moving with each pull. Good thing he was attached. After reading the manual.....I think I experienced something MUCH different! The safety pin was in?? While on the tram to the plane, the instructor showed me the pull again and pulled it out far enough and hard enough to demonstrate how to correctly pull. I can only assume now that the safety pin was in at the time he was showing me and not removed. When does the instructor REMOVE the safety pin?? If the instructor forgot to remove the safety pin, that would explain everything that happened including the time it took him to open the chute AFTER I had both my hands up in his face giving him the "wth" sign. 1. Can the instructor open the chute with the safety pin in? 2. Can the instructor remove the safety pin in freefall? 3. Is there a way to tell if we were under the reserve? Oddly enough, I feel MUCH better if it was something like the safety pin still being in. It was a long day for the instructor and I was the last one of the day. They had to put together another load just for me because they forgot about me. And "if" the safety pin was in, he did an OUTSTANDING job of remaining calm and executing the proper EP.

Thank you for your reply. I wish I asked when I was there as to what happened. Is it possible or common for the drogue release handle to NOT work on the student side for some reason? I joined this forum 10 years ago when I "first" thought about getting into skydiving. 10 years later I decided to give it another shot. This was the first time I was asked or given the option to open the chute. Naturally, I was stoked and said yes. Now that I've had my first malfunction on my very first opening attempt, I'm not sure skydiving is for me. Sounds like someone is trying to tell me something.... (I was so hoping it was a "dummy" drogue release handle)

Thanks. I have been studying very hard on the equipment and terminology. But my searches have come up empty on how this handle on the Tandem rig works or not. I should have asked at the DZ. My question is.....should it have opened the container?? Did I have a malfunction? Or are there Tandem rigs that have "dummy" handles? (What does good trolling mean?)

Is the ripcord for the student to pull on a tandem rig fake? I did a tandem jump at Eloy and was asked if I wanted to pull the ripcord. I said "Of course!" (This was not my first Tandem) At pull time I was given "the finger" and reached and pulled. The deployment handle was attached to some sort of bungee?? I pulled, nothing happened. Still holding the bag I pulled again....HARD. It stretched out 9-10 inches or so, but I did not feel the drogue release or the container open. I yanked it like a mad man three or four times and then put both my hands up in front of the instructors face as to signal "WTF"? I then felt the drogue release and could hear the deployment. I assume he release the drogue. Are the handles for the student on a Tandem rig just for muscle memory and NOT actual release handles?