SkyDekker

But it would have been if Franco was not Hitler's little puppet. I know you want to be all proud about the Spanish governemnt, but theyw ere just nazi helpers in those days, nothing to be really proud of. Not trying to ignore historical facts at all. You cannot claim for fact what would have happened if the US had not acted. There is no history that way, hence you cannot claim it as fact. Not really that hard to understand. you keep avoiding my question. i really do not need a history lesson, I know earopean WWII history quite well. Some animated maps from your little website really are not going to improve that knowledge. In the end you are just a Spanish bigot weho is trying to glorify the spanish role during the war, while they were nothing more than some german slaves. Franco got power due to Hitler, Franco stayed in power due to Hitler, franco was just as bad as Hitler. You be proud of that all you want. I prefer to be rpud of my ancestors who fought in the war, against the nazis, not for the nazis. Exactly, so how sovereign was Spain since they really had no choice in any of the matter? Franco was Hitler's puppet. Franco did as he was told. Like I said before, if you want to call that sovereign, go right ahead. the rest of the European world knows that Franco was just a little German bitch.

If my question is speculation than the following is speculation as well: really, you know for a fact what would have happened if the US would not have joined WWII? In all likelihood, you are right, but you cannot claim it as fact, since you just don't know. Just once again shows your ignorance to boldy claim that as fact. So, since you have no problem speculating on what would have happened if the US would not have joined that war, why would you not answer my speculative question? Can't have it both ways. So, for the fourth time, my easy question is: What do you think would have happened if Franco and Mussolini had told Hitler to go fuck himself?

unbelievable, I have asked a simple question three times and you just cannot answer it. I understand it is a "what if" question, but it goes to the core of the issue. No, I do not need it in French since I do not speak that language, but Dutch might be nice. I will answer your question directly, maybe that will give you a clue as to what answering a question is. I am not necessarily against the War in Iraq. I am against the fact that the US government was not honest in their reasonings, justifications and objectives for this war. My solution, I would like them to be honest in their actions and provide the true reasons for their actions publicly. Now, can you answer my simple question?

I never said Spain was occupied. As I have stated before, I have never voted liberal in elections in two different countries on two different continents.. And I do not know what this discussion has to do with Iraq and my views on that. So you are wrong on two accounts. You have never asked me anything specific. I have asked you something specific, twice now. After all your bantering you have still not answered that question. In your post you have touched on something like 6 different subjects, going off on each one of them, yet you still ahve not been able to answer one simple quesitons, which has been stated twice. In stead of justifying your use of the term towel head (which is offensive whicever you decide to define it. I could try and give a different definition for the term nigger, but the term itself would still be offensive. Shame you cannot understand that), in stead of of making false assumptions about me, just try and answer a really simple question, I'll ask it for the third time: What do you think would have happened if Mussolini and Franco had told Hitler to go fuck himself?

That one sentence really says it all about you. You never did answer my question though. What would have happened if Mussolini and Franco would not have listened to Hitler? But then again, I would expect a decendant from a Hitler sympathetic family to claim that Spain and Italy stayed sovereign. I come from a family were direct family members fought against the nazis in various different theatres around the world, hence my view is a little different. Nice talking to you

I'll be in a Hotel in NYC near Times Square from this saturday to the following friday.

In my view you can't claim both those issues in the same paragraph. Hitler helped Franco to a large degree. The same goes for Mussolini in Italy. Franco and Mussolini alligned themselves with Hitler, because they knew they could not fight him. I'll ask again, what do you think would have happened if Franco or Mussolini had told Hitler to go fuck himself? If you want to call that sovereign, then go right ahead. To me it is not, they did not have a choice. They never let it come to that point, they were Hitler's allies and have come of pretty squeeky clean don't you think?

So much for the superior knowledge. You state claims but don't back them up, when asked for proof you walk away. I think that is statement enough. Poof, I am done here.

And what do you think would have happened if Franbco told Hitler to go fuck himself? Sovereign my ass, Franco did as he was told. Same goes for Italy and Mussolini. Dude, you get your information from a website with some animated maps? Franco and Mussolini were Hitler's puppets, that is why they were allowed to stay in power and not invaded.

Plus the freefly competition is nowhere near decided.

Dude, you claim a better knowledge than me, prove yourself. Put your money where your mouth is. Until you can back up your claims, your bantering about banning a whole religion is just useless, full of bigotry and hate and shows the amount of ignorance you have IMHO.

They weren't independent, they were alligned with Hitler and they did as they were told, that is why they weren't invaded. If you want to call the independent, fine, but I have the feeling it isn't what most people would define as independent.

you and me both, but I am certainly not holding my breath

you just don't get it do you? You have got to be kidding me. Look at the regimes in place in Italy and Spain during WWII and then come back and claim again that they would be "independent".

See, if all you guys bury your head like an ostrich and pretend oyu do not have a massive deficit. It will just go away.

Then how did he learn anything about Islam before he started learning Arabic? I am not a liberal, nor have I ever voted liberal in any election in two different countries on two different continents. You are right I do not believe in offending people based on race or religion or mental or physical handicap, to name a couple. I can back up my statements with more than just saying that it is the truth just because I say it is. My lack of knowledge, now that is funny. So, which continent is Russia on? Are indonesians arab or asian? Did Al Qaeda have ties with Saddam Hussain prior to September 11th, 2001? Did Mohamed Ali speak Arabic? Can I find a translation of the Koran? Can one become a priest in the Roman Catholic church without understanding Latin? Please provide proof of your superior knowledge and asnwer these question. However, you will have to provide proof that your knowledge is correct and hence you will have to be able to back up your statements. This back up should contain more than just the statement: "because I said so". The ball is in your corner Steel, show us your superior knowledge!

Those two sentences do not go together. If you make no distinction, than you should treat them equally. When you don't treat them equally, than you are making a distinction. Kev, I agree with you. I also think Canada should have been with the US during Iraq to preserve ties with our largest trading partner. I just don't understand how people can not be outraged that they ahve been lied to. One president lies about a friggin blowjob and everybody is up in arms. Another government lies about the reasons for invading a country and nobody does anything? This has nothing to do with wether I like Clinton or Bush. Personally I am more outraged about the false pretences for war than a lie about a blowjob.

you are right, it is time for my valium

you didn't answer my question. Did he speak Arabic?

But you claimed earlier there was no translation of the Koran. So, you are wrong again. BTW, did Mohamed Ali (the boxer, just in case) speak Arabic?

You are assuming things Steel, there is no proof of this, not one spec of it. What part of that can you not get through your skull?

lol, three people saying to the same thing. Steel have you met Clue yet?

Once again, your logic makes no sense whatsoever. it could also be taken that the US led invasion of Iraq has taken the focus off Al Qaeda so they are able to reinvigorate their terrorist network. THat doesn't mean there were ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Or it could mean that AL Qaeda might now be operating in Iraq. But that still doesn't prove there were ties prior to that invasion or during the planning and excecution of 9/11. But once again, I don't think your brain can handle those other options. Further, it is not possible for someone to become a priest in the roman catholic church without a working knowledge of Latin. So which one is it? Can I find a translation or can I not find a translation????

So, America invaded Iraq to teach SA a lesson. Well that makes it perfectly justifiable.

Good for you, I am sure I can find an English translation of the koran. Fact remains the official languange of the roman catholic church is Latin, which in your logic would make them all latinos. To become a priest in the Roman Catholic church, one requires to have a working knowledge of the Latin language. Once again, all their scriptures can be found in other languages, but it all traces back to latin.