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OH PLEASE...not this again Jon

When you and daVinci were going over his drawing, did ya mention the wood frame thingy didn't really sound like the hot ticket? Jon

Hi Scratch, you've been round almost long enough to be one of them there pioneers...right? Jon Presley

Not directly aimed at you Michael I was worried that someone would mis-understand what I was trying to say. Sorry if I wasn't clear. What I said was "demo a 143" to check out how she felt under under it. I also said, many times, the 143 reserve worried me. Making 1 demo jump under a smaller canopy to check it out is a whole lot different than buying and jumping a small canopy as your everyday canopy at her jump numbers. Not that you won't get hurt, killed, or crippled doing 1 jump on the smaller canopy, it's just that the odds are more in your favor. I've got a feeling that after that demo under the 143, she wouldn't want a reserve that small...but I could be wrong! Many jumpers are jumping canopies that are too small for their abilities. They "get away with it" for dozens, sometimes hundreds of jumps, but in the end, many of them end up getting hurt or worse before they better. I'm not just blowing smoke...all you have to do pay attention to the incident thread, and understand that many canopy accidents/incidents, and close calls, are never reported. Anyone who plans on skydiving for the rest of their life needs think of it as a "long range plan". There is no need to be in such a hurry to get under a canopy that may, in a bad way, shorten your long range plan. The sport of skydiving will be here for the rest of your life, your choices along the way can determine just how long that will be. Jon

I couldn't agree more. I guess I'm just sensative to giving blanket advice on the internet. She may be very capable of making that downsize exactly as you outlined. Personally, I think it's too aggresive. And there are many people, mostly the young males, that are going to read what a very experianced and long time jumper (you) says. To them, if someone like you says it, it must be ok. Next thing you know, they screw themselves into the dirt, or worse. I'm saddened by the fact that so many people are getting killed or crippled because of their poor choice of canopy selection and the inability to fly them properly. I'm also tired of the canopy collisions that these type of people are causing. Like I said, she may very well be fine, but I would never suggest downsizing the way you do on the internet. I'd have to have an intimate knowledge of that person canopy skills. I do, however, think the 170 would be a good canopy for her. She will have a blast on it for at least a hundred jumps, then she could work her way down to the sub 150s. The 143 reserve still makes me a little nervous though. No worries, and I apoligize for being harsh. Jon edit to add a few words and to say I suck at spelling

You are telling her downsize from a 190 to a 135 in 10 jumps...using a 150 as the transition canopy? And you're telling her to "always make sure to have plenty of space in front of you at landing therefore plan your descent under canopy carefully and stick to the plan." Who in the world can "always make sure" of something like that? You go on to say "ALWAYS KEEP GOING STRAIGHT FORWARD keeping the toggles very symetrical even on the ground." You know very well this isn't realistic. There will be many landings where you must do slight left or right input, even during the flare, to keep from falling off the windline AND the smaller the canopy, the more magnified this effect becomes. Like I said, you have worded the post to lend some creditability, however your advice is inappropriate for someone with 55 jumps. Jon

I can't believe you guys are responding to this post...did you read it? For whatever reason, this lengthy post is intended as a joke. Aside from the advise being outright dangerous, he said something about how bad it is to get grass stains on the ass of your jump-suit...please... It's worded in such a manner as to lend creditability...but really...in 2008, is this really something you would tell one of YOUR young up-and-comers? Jon

Carol, this advice is bullshit. The poster is is trying to be funny. I'd be a little more concerned about the size of the reserve. I would advise you to do a demo on a 143 to see how it feels before you wind-up under it in less than ideal circumstances. Jon

Wow, just wow...especially the part about comping the students ticket...good on you and your DZ

Are those really hot????

Nah...I'm pretty sure we've been consuming less gas for a while now...it's not really as simple as supply and demand. It's how deep they can stick before we say uncle. We haven't said uncle, so they stick it deeper. Jon

[replyWell, like I said, I know some things that others have no clue about and for everyone that's posting all the shit here, well that's just what it is...SHIT. Do any of you really know how many tanks this TZO has been involved in...and how many fishes have died while in his tanks...?...no...didn't think so I hope nothing like this ever happens to a sea-going mammel you know. YOU BASTARDS Jon I have heard that this TZO was caught flying in sardines from Mexico, and alegedly had fed them to UNDERAGE dolphin females. I heard that he actually did time for that before using his ill gotten funds to open this very large and commercial tank, any body know any thing more about it? Sure it was sardines? I heard it was herons, and the after-show parties were historic

345.6 to 1 Well there you have it...this loading is way too light for the manuver she attempted. Brine Dholphanes' (The Porpoise and it's Plight) book suggests a fin loading of at least 350:1 before attempting the double dolphin manuver. Will they ever learn? Jon Edit to add book title

Yes, I have some information, but I don't think I should post because it's really not my place. I wished you all would STOP speculating. You have no clue what really happened. We need to wait for the official report... Jon You are right. It is NOT your place!! We will speculate all we want here. People learn from speculation. If you are too emotionally involved then you should NOT read this thread. Fact: Sharkey was killed by that other Swooping Dolphin. People need to wake up or the FDA will start getting more involved. Yet another mid-Air collision that would have been avoided if we could just keep the hotshots showoff ego maniacs Swooper Dolphins Separate from the standard pattern Dolphins!! Low Fish has the right of way. Well, like I said, I know some things that others have no clue about and for everyone that's posting all the shit here, well that's just what it is...SHIT. Do any of you really know how many tanks this TZO has been involved in...and how many fishes have died while in his tanks...?...no...didn't think so I hope nothing like this ever happens to a sea-going mammel you know. YOU BASTARDS Jon

Yes, I have some information, but I don't think I should post because it's really not my place. I wished you all would STOP speculating. You have no clue what really happened. We need to wait for the official report... Jon

I'd like to hear from the TZO if she signed the "waver"... Jon

If that is true - maybe criminal charges should be filed. Yes, but the tank owner should be sued as well. I heard the water temp in the tank was way to warm for safe jumping...so, so sad... Jon

Many, many times. All the pool told him...but he had "mad skillz". Same old story, different tank Jon

Oh hell, Bigun...which one is it already? Jon

Naw, I re-read the post...it was just my name he replied to...sorry...you're still under the gun here Jon

Holy shit...not at me...right? Jon

But this is what im saying......" All the warning signs " Many people (myself included) never saw the warning sign unitl they look for it !!!!!!!!!! All i was asking ,was to make something like that warning sign into a sticky, or something similar at the top of the classifieds ...... THATS ALL!!!!!! Just put the 1 warning notice somewhere more obvious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its been fun but i think ive made my point now caio BUT Yes, you have tried to make your point, BUT... You can put "stickies" in forums, but not on content pages. The classifieds aren't forums. They are a section of the of the site that contains content. See, you may just be starting to learn something

Skybitch said she aint cho mama. DZ.com ain't yo mama either. It's a sad thing that people get scammed on the internet. But people get scam in every aspect of life. Maybe DZ.com could put a Scam Alert landing page between the click to the classified and the actual classified page, but the clicker will be so "excited about their new gear", they'll hurry past that that to get to the pretty pictures...so we'll need two landing pages then three, then four. At the bottom of the forums is a thread dedicated to scams. That's really not enough? Perhaps the only reason for a person to visit DZ.com is to buy and sell gear. That's selfish and not the intent of this site. The claissifieded is SMALL PART of what DZ.com has to offer. Some of the other "small things" things this site has to offer is an enormaus amount information on HOW TO NOT GET RIPPED OFF ON THE INTERNET. Not just with gear, but everything you can learn here can be applied to any transition on the internet. This isn't smug or skygod talk, it's called learning about the pitfalls of life on the internet. Jon Now will ya marry me, Bitch?

Funny how you put "buyer beware", thats a law term, btw, so it turns out is in your world already. What I'm doing is putting reasons why it would be a better idea to add some big disclaimers in there. and some big warnings, Its called being proactive. or giving a shit about other people apart from myself. regardless of your actions or reactions to what i have said, i've still got your back in those skys, i'll still look out for others, and i'll continue to give a damm But i would not trust you on here for anything, your attitude to be frank is shit. Damn, and I was going to ask her to marry me because of her attitude Jon

You've made 8 posts, none of which have anything to do with jumping, just a bunch of incoherent half-sentences about how bad we are...whatever Jon