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Who's justifying what, exactly?

And kill people who are neither, because 'Merca!

Of course not. But so what? By the way, notice that you've asked this question several times and it keeps getting answered the same way. Notice also that you've been asked a lot of questions over the last page or so and you've ignored almost all of them - fairly obviously because you have no answers. At what point do you realise you're defending the indefensible?

No, ignorance is no excuse. In spite of whether the Salon owner ‘gotcha’d her she should have known better. But your right though, saying that makes her just as bad as Trump is some top class weaselling.

No, that’s not what you can take away from this thread. No one but you has said it, no one but you believes it. You’ve simply made it up. It’s also, again, irrelevant - since Rittenhouse did not end up protecting anyone. He just killed people who you STILL have no reason to believe were involved in any looting or arson, no matter how many times you slander them by saying it.

Venezuela Venezuela?

In terms of the thread title, I'll give you this one. But in terms of this one slip on Covid precautions, she is still better than her counterparts on the right. Measurably, demonstrably better by a very wide margin.

Thanks! Doesn’t happen often but sometimes I can get on a roll

No you don’t. That’s a barefaced lie. You said that Rittenhouse should have been out and that everyone else should be copying him. Again, that’s utter bollocks. When you have to continually lie to defend your point you might start thinking your point is bad. The right to riot has nothing to do with the right to be a vigilante and to kill people after provoking armed confrontation. It is also irrelevant, since you have absolutely no evidence that anyone he shot was a pillager, looter or an arsonist. Despite your constant efforts to tar them with that brush you actually have no idea if they had been doing anything more than being out on the streets in protest. That’s the problem with Rittenhouse and that’s the problem with the rest of his armed mob.

Bullshit. You applauded him for being there doing what he was doing, you said everyone should be there doing what he was doing, and you've said the shootings were only in self defence and were the fault of the people who were shot. In what way do you not support him shooting people? Says who? I have not seen any indication of that. Eyewitnesses have said the catalyst for the first shooting was Rittenhouse holding a black man at gunpoint who was trying to get into his own car because Rittenhouse assumed he was trying to steal it. The man who confronted him him about it - the first man he murdered - was unarmed. This chain of events is all Rittenhouse's fault, is a predictable consequence of untrained fantasist wannabe's inserting themselves into tense situations and will keep happening if more people head out thre to do what you want them to do. When trying to stop a heavily armed man who has just murdered someone? Sure, of course you believe that when trying to stop a murderer with an assault rifle you would not use the only makeshift weapon at your disposal. You're strong enough to take on 6 cops at once and save George Floyds life, I'm sure you could have just strolled up to Rittenhouse and taken his rifle away with one arm tied behind your back. WHO proved they were criminals and arsonists? Was anyone that Rittnhouse shot involved in that crime and arson or are you just smearing their memories in order to protect your political stance? Your reasoning is that a dumpster fire was set in Kenosha, therefore everyone out in Kenosha that night was an arsonist, therefore it was cool for Rittenhouse to shoot whoever. It's abhorrent. Consider this - while Rittenhouse was running around lying about being an EMT, Grosskreutz was an actual EMT who had been treating numerous people throughout the night and who never shot anyone. Yet you slander him as a violent looting arsonist who Rittenhouse was totally ok to shoot. Just think, he's a real person. It's despicable the lengths you are going to to dehumanise him and the other victims - with zero evidence - as nothing more than a pack of arsonists and looters just so you can defend your precious right wing militia. The police had already publicly and visibly abdicated their responsibility to deal with the armed right wing mobs roaming Kenosha. Many protesters had seen the police not just allowing the mobs to stay in curfewed areas while they were moved on, but thanking them and actively aiding them. Add to that the mob the Rittenhouse was in bragging that police were funnelling protestors towards them to 'deal with' and you can understand why they may not have felt the police would deal with him. And oh yeah I forgot... they were right. The police didn't deal with him. A running man with a rifle after multiple gunshots had been heard, followed by people shouting that he had shot someone and they just let him straight through. Free and clear to do whatever else he wanted that night. That's how the police dealt with the most serious crime which occurred that night.

Lol, of course you would, because there's no assumption too unreasonable for you to make if it reflects badly on the left. It's so very very centreist. But sure, there are probably one or two leftists who missed the point - to be dwarfed by the number on the religious right nodding their heads and shouting "Amen brother, testify!"

Wow, it's so obvious now - us liberals are only attacking Trump because we're mad that Venezuela is showing how corrupt, hardline Marxist governments ruin their countries. Why couldn't I see that before?

I don't ever remember seeing Wherever on a list of destinations, I wonder if it's anywhere near Bowling Green? After 4 years of lies I thought the bottom of the barrel had been well and truly scraped but this one? Even on the way out Trump is setting new standards.

And even then, it demonstrates the insanity that Ron must believe in to push the 'all about the election' theory his right wing overlords are telling him to. Every other developed nation was grossly exaggerating Covid too. Every other developed nation was locking down their own citizens, ravaging their own economies and disrupting their own societies... so they could help get Joe Biden elected in America. Well ok, that sounds legit!

But as described in Yoinks post above, intentionally provoking a confrontation also removes the option of deadly force self defence whether any crime was being committed or not, so in that sense it’s a moot point.

No they didn’t. Your partisan ‘news’ source is lying to you.

Wisconsin uses the terms criminal activity and unlawful conduct. They do not specify felony anywhere.

Yep, he will only condemn the people with guns who travelled to Kenosha specifically so they could confront protestors if they attack a protestor completely out of the blue with no provocation. He’ll condemn any of the protesters - all of whom he lumps in with arsonists and vandals - for anything they do even in self defence.

Actually, in Wisconsin you do. Through his stupid and irresponsible actions he put himself in the position where self defence laws do not apply, and he made himself a murderer. I don’t understand how you can be ok with those murders.

How many lives did Rittenberg just ruin with his criminal actions? How many lives directly and indirectly changed forever by his violence? Did anyone he shot even participate in any form of vandalism? You have no idea, yet you applaud him for confronting them and defend him for shooting them. Put away your straw man. Not approving of unsanctioned, armed vigilantes who kill people in the street is not the same as being ok with arson. none. That’s why it’s illegal, wrong and damaging to society. Just like Rittenhouse and people like him are criminals who are damaging society.

So if you're a random tooled up white guy patrolling the streets with an assault rifle and tactical gear the cops are happy to have you around and grateful for the help. If you're a female paramedic with a med kit you're clearly dangerous and untrustworthy and must be violently removed from the scene. In 30 years time this descent into officially sanctioned armed factionalism is what the history classes will be teaching about the Trump presidency.

I'd already said that

Whenever people throw the phrase SJW around Pratchett is one of the people I picture and wonder how they can possibly think it's an insult.

You've applauded him for being out there with a gun, said that it was a good and moral thing, and said that everyone else should be doing it too. Funny way to demonstrate that you don't approve of him being in possession of a gun he wasn't legally allowed to have. No, it's fucking stupid. He had no training, no plan, and no fall back but to shoot people with real bullets if merely threatening them with his rifle didn't work. That one of this group of Rambo wannabes ended up murdering people was a foregone conclusion. That you are doubling down on promoting this idiocy even after the murders have started is unfathomable.

No, he just hates what he sees as the left wing media. He attacks them every chance he gets, even when he has to lie about they've said in order to do it.