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Are there any countries you don't consider a "police state?" witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

did they beat him? Did they use unlawful force? I didn't read that in the article. (did we read the same article?) I read that he obstructed the police from responding to a call. Then when they arrested him, he called them douche bag. It sounds to me like the charge should have been obstruction all along. I don't know what Jeanne was reading, or if she bothered to read the article at all. She's complaining about police acting like thugs and bullies, but the article didn't call anyone thugs or bullies, and she didn't bother to describe any action that makes her call them thugs or bullies. If I didn't give her the benefit of the doubt, then I could draw a reasonable conclusion that she just thinks all police are thugs and bullies. Your summary on the other hand seems right on except that the douche bag called the officers douche bags before they arrested him, not after. This strikes me as a case where officers did all they could to avoid making an arrest, and the 'douche bag' screaming douche bag kept pushing it until they had no choice. But apparently some here think that officers exercising reasonable discretion and giving people chances is acting like thugs and bullies. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

[announcer voice] and the award for first mindless police bashing post without mentioning the OP or issue is... AMAZON! [/voice] So, how would things go in your little world where law enforcement didn't have authority to control a scene or arrest drunken fools for resisting delaying or obstructing them? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

The Constitutionality of ‘Douche Bag.' Yes, you have the right to say "douche bag." You can even call an officer a "douche bag." Even the DA agrees with that. But when you act like a douche bag and obstruct officers, you're on your own, douche bag.

Nope, just all the ones that weren't firstborn. (ain't thread drift grand?) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Going to get ugly for Grassely. What a freakin moron. This is a really good strategy for combating the flow of guns into Mexico and he makes it publicly known what ATF is doing. This is as idiotic as when Geraldo Rivera exposed where US Troops were in Iraq. Grassely could have simply called ATF and found out what they were doing without exposing them. Do you think there's a difference between controlled delivery of drugs and allowing rifles to be smuggled into Mexico? Also, it's important to remember that rifles being smuggled south is not a significant concern. I hope you haven't fallen for the patently false stats about how 90% of crime guns in Mexico come from the USA. However, when you hear that BATFE approved gun purchases that a dealer foun suspicious and wouldn't have made, and one of those guns is used to kill a Border Patrol officer, things don't look good for bureaucrats in BATFE. Finally, before you throw Grassely under the bus, you should consider that he says he did try to get answers from BATFE, and he was stonewalled, so he took itinto the light, where he's still getting stonewalled, BATFE is circling the wagons and retaliating against a whistleblower. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Cops-Charge-7-Year-Old-for-Bringing-Toy-Gun-to-Class-115125844.html The idiocy never ceases to amaze. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Developing story. Scary implications. Unclear sources. Initially covered by controversial but generally reliable bloggers. Serious scandal potential. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Project+gunwalker http://m.examiner.com/exSeattle/pm_76139/contentdetail.htm;jsessionid=3E103CA9C8CE915D468F7DE75ACA52F2?contentguid=2nj0t5nz http://m.examiner.com/exDesMoines/pm_67394/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=6FUE6z4n witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Actually even the supreme court thinks the ninth is a cluster fuck. In no other circuit is the so much intra-jurisdictional disagreement. There are more contradictory rulings in the ninth than there are between many other circuits. The ninth is simply so large and unwieldy that this is inevitable. Also, because the ninth covers some fairly nonconformist states, they handle enough unusual cases that review becomes necessary because there is no clear precedent or there is tangential conflict with other circuits' rulings. But either way, you have to admit that some ofthe most hairbrained rulings have come out of the ninth. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Obviously we need to include being "rude and grumpy" into the NICS disqualifiers, and make sure no one exhibiting such mental health issues ever buys or owns a gun. [/sarcasm] witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I just figured out your problem. You think it is the government's responsibility to protect us from all harm at all times. We will never agree because I am not willing to sacrifice that much control to the government. No matter what the problem is, you think something can be done to fix it, and the solution involves more government control. Unless it's your nifty little hobby rocket motors. Then you get all huffy about how the BATFE is a bunch of incompetents and shouldn't interfere in your life. They have a word for that... witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Something like three hundred posts ago I told you that I agree there is a problem, I just disagree on exactly what the problem is. You think there is a problem with inanimate pieces of metal and plastic. I think there is a problem with violent crime, a problem with our mental health system, and number ofnother problems in our country. I don't think that we have too many rights or that any of them are too widely protected by the government. I'm willing to discuss solutions. It's difficult to discuss them though when youbare incapable of articulating a clear position. I've stated my position many times. It'd be nice if you could do it just once. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

guess we should poll them for their opinion on ObamaCare. I do suspect they'd start tap dancing. Congratulations, your telepathy machine is a bigger piece of shit than kallend's insanity-prediction machine. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Nope, not at all. I think is a good example of you missing the point. I agree wholeheartedly with the guy who proposed the bill, and hope it never becomes law. See the post above yours that quotes the rest of the article. I read the bill, and passing it would be as bad as ObamaCare. The difference is I'm consistently against this (and in good company with a number of courts). You seem to be a bit hypocritical in picking and chosing what the government should tell people what to buy. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I asked you for You gave us: You gave me a wild goose chase, couldn't post a link, and finally, in answer, you point us to this post: No, that is just as much a strawman as Mike's arguments. Requiring a background check for private sales does not constitute a gun ban. It just puts them on the same footing as sales by licensed dealers. Doing a more effective check for mental illness does not constitute a gun ban. You have the makings of a lawyer. Oh, wait... Really professor, you consider that an answer to my question? And I seem to recall answering that post. I did. What do you suggest we do that would stop loonies from running around with guns? What gun laws do we need that would make a difference? Background checks on private sales? Why? A "more effective mental health check?" How? We have a definition codified in law. Would you change it? What do you want to be different to make it more effective? Or is it maybe not the guns, or even the gun laws that are to blame? Maybe the gun laws work just fine, and it's the mental health system that's broken. I'm tired of chasing you around in circles looking for an answer. If you can't state a clear position, then from now on I'm just going to reply to any post of yours in gun threads with STFD and STFU. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Bill would require all S.D. citizens to buy a gun witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Yes I expect higher standards to accompany the higher powers given to policemen. Negative. Nice try at a trite little comment, but you're not fooling anyone. We're not talking about standards of conduct. The conduct expected of an officer is the same whether he is on film or not. We are talking about a standard of proof just to prove you're not guilty. That's the direction Captain1976 ad some others are coming from. When you talk about it being ok for the public to film public officers in a public setting, I agree wholeheartedly. When you talk about requiring professionalism, good faith, and integrity from officers, you won't find anyone more for it than I am. When you talk about requiring officers to film their every action just to avoid being accused of nonsense, then you are talking about ridiculous standards. And next time you see video that you think makes officers look bad, be sure that you're educated on what is and isn't proper for officers, then thinka bout teh example I put up a few posts back. Video can help tell the story, but don't ever think it tells the whole story. And for the love of all that's holy, don't think that if it isn't on video then the officer can't prove it. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Use of Bildeberger as a verb = win. But it this case, wouldn't it be Bildebugger? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Carrying both is a good compromise. And who says I'm not open-minded? (good training trumps both, but training with both and empty handed trumps all) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

How would you feel about keeping a camera in your car at all times? Would you want to have to film every thing you ever saw before you can say you saw it? Are you going to wear a video camera on your head and carry a mic and recorder running at all times jsut to prove you didn't commit a crime? Because when you think about it, that is the standard you are setting for officers. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Crawl back under your bridge, the grownups are talking. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

What, did he say the billionaires used nanothermite in defending their wealth from the hordes of "noble protesters?" witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

It is, with three caveats. First, video never tells the whole story. It is never from the best angle, always either grainy or unfocused or blurry, and it will almost never give the full story. Second, editing works wonders, and can make standard procedures and techniques look bad to uneducated folks who like to get the whole story in thirty second soundbytes. Finally, it's never going to be there when you really need it (no what else have I heard that about...?) Watch this video first, and decide whether it is a "good shoot" or a cold blooded murder. Then watch this one and tell me if you changed your mind. I bet you did. Now imagine if the cruiser that filmed the second video ran out of tape, or the disc was full, or in the habit of government issued gear everywhere it was just plain broken. Video can be a wonderful thing, but never think it tells the whole story. This isn't Hollywood where we have fifteen cameras and eighteen takes to get the shot just right to tell the story. Here in the real world, things tend to be a bit more messy. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

There is none so blind as he who will not see. No one hates bad cops more than good cops, including most of their victims. Law enforcement everywhere hates the few who tarnish the badge. Your problem us that you see "vermin" where there are none and see inaction where there is none. Have that cranio-rectal removal procedure and you'll realize it's not worth hating law enforcement. Or you can keep pretending that every story on the five o'clock news is more reason to hate the "vermin." witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Greenies, can we just create another sticky thread and link it to alternet.com? It would save dreamdancer a lot of time and maybe give him an excuse to go think for himself for a while. It would also save some space with MUCH shorter thread titles. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*