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  1. I never said common usage makes it so [see my posts on "assault weapons"]. I said it fits the definition for a magazine, whether it is called so or not. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  2. UMCP alum here in Alabama. I was there two years ago. [I won the keg stand contest] I'd be there but I'll be in Europe from new years through the 23rd. Have fun. Let me know if you guys try the hog-flop competition this year. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  3. Too bad my principal basically outlawed the rifle club before it even formed. Wouldn't have cost a dime, we were willing to fund and supply it ourselves. And the school board backed him. Of course, they did the same thing when he refused to allow a christian group to meet after school in the gymnasium. Too bad some useful lawsuits are stopped short by funding while others never seem to go away. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  4. Odds are very good that it was a magazine, not a clip. And his father should be ashamed of himself for not instructing the boy properly before handing him such a tool. So would you be for basic firearms safety being taught in school? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  5. I never said they don't have clout, I said they are not the only ones with clout. Sometimes it has to be done, but it must be nice to be able to say "nah, not this one," and go sit behind a desk. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  6. The empty space in the receiver is by default considered a magazine. And yes, you are correct, there are important differences between the m1 type clip, the stripper clips, and moon clips. Not only have I never won one, no one I know has gotten one from the DCMP either. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  7. I know you know better than to confuse "bullet" with "cartridge." I'll grant that clips can be used for revolvers, but they are not required. And it stands that clips are for loading cartridges into magazines [or cylinders]. For anyone's confusion: the bullet is the projectile leaving the barrel. The cartridge is the entire unit of ammunition, including the casing, propellant, bullet, and primer. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  8. But there aren't too many pistols that use clips in high circulation today, are there? Generally when someone says clip they mean magazine. For billvon, in firearms like the M1, the clip is inserted into a magazine. THe magazine is fixed inside the rifle. A magazine is inserted in the magazine well, and ejected when not needed. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  9. Don't say theirs is the only one with clout. They are just capable of overruling the others. And they are never "forced to." They choose what cases they will hear, remember? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  10. But unfortunately, the ones we should be upset with are the least likely to retire anytime soon. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  11. FINALLY, I beat you the post on something!! witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  12. We've established that what you and I believe is irrelevant to thread moderation until our name turns green. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  13. No, but you were using that as a reason why darwin awards are is still presented. My point stands that common sense is not common anymore and intellectual curiosity is crushed too often. I would guess 50-80% of the population is uneducated and apathetic about any given issue. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  14. Another reason so many advocate basic firearms safety be taught in school. Are you for that? And no, he is certainly not a safe gun user. Any one who has ever cycled the action in a semi-auto pistol should realize there can still be one cartridge in the chamber, separate from the magazine. Every firearms is loaded until you look into the chamber and determine otherwise. [it's catridge, not bullet; and it's a magazine, not a clip] witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  15. Theirs is the only opinion with clout? Pres GW and Ashcroft have no say? Each and every other court judge don't make decisions affecting lives every day? Besides, the Supreme Court has not made a clear stand on the issues facing the second amendment. Does that mean it doesn't mean anything? Lower courts have, but they are in disagreement. Don't you think it is a good time to take a case when the next highest level is treating citizens differently? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  16. And yet you gave me crap for quoting the old saying about 12 idiots in a box? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  17. Reminds me of an old sea story. A tank commander (?) was court martialed for shooting at innocent civilians who just happened to be throwing grenades at his men. During the same week an Israeli ship commander ordered his crew to open fire on an approaching raft, because he didn't know if they had grenades [which could have sunk his ship and killed his men]. The Israeli equivalent of SecNav showed up and promoted him on the spot. How can you trust leaders who value the lives of your enemy over those of your men? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  18. No worries, love. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  19. Believe me, I've written letter to all of the above. I am disgusted with the congress for passing it, more so with GWB for signing it, but most of all with the courts who should know better. I'm not a fan of expanding government powers, no matter which party is behind it. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  20. Impressive. I'm still reading the damned thing. One of the longest rulings I've tried reading in a while. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  21. Well, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals says the second amendment is about an individual right (Emerson), and the Ninth says it isn't(can't remember). I'm wondering why the supreme court doesn't take an appeal and clear up the matter [and now it seems you think the sun shines from the justices collective backsides]. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  22. SUPREME COURT CASES ON SECOND AMENDMENT/ RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS 1998: MUSCARELLO v. UNITED STATES - In the dissent on defining "carries a firearm", several Justices note that "Surely a most familiar meaning is, as the Constitution's Second Amendment ("keep and bear Arms"). . . ." 1998: SPENCER v. KEMNA - In his dissent, Justice Stevens noted that a conviction "may result in tangible harms such as imprisonment, loss of the right to vote or to bear arms. . . ." 1997: PRINTZ, SHERIFF/CORONER, RAVALLI COUNTY, MONTANA v. UNITED STATES - Brady Background Check overturned as unfunded mandate in violation of Tenth Amendment. Justice Thomas requests a Second Amendment case. 1995: U.S. v. LOPEZ - Gun-Free School Zones Overturned as Congress exceeded its powers. 1994: ALBRIGHT v. OLIVER - The court quoted POE v. ULLMAN on how the right to keep and bear arms and other rights are to have, "freedom from all substantial arbitrary impositions and purposeless restraints" under the Fourteenth Amendment. 1992: PLANNED PARENTHOOD OF SOUTHEASTERN PA. v. CASEY - The court quoted POE v. ULLMAN on how the right to keep and bear arms and other rights are to have, "freedom from all substantial arbitrary impositions and purposeless restraints" under the Fourteenth Amendment. 1990: PERPICH v. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE - National Guard is NOT the militia but part of Armed Forces. Militia divided into "organized" and "unorganized". 1990: UNITED STATES v. VERDUGO-URQUIDEZ - The "people" under the First, Second, Fourth, Ninth & Tenth Amendments are individuals, not the States. 1980: LEWIS v. UNITED STATES - This case notes in a footnote that prohibiting felons from possessing firearms does not violate the Second Amendment. 1977: MOORE v. EAST CLEVELAND - The court quoted POE v. ULLMAN on how the right to keep and bear arms and other rights are to have, "freedom from all substantial arbitrary impositions and purposeless restraints" under the Fourteenth Amendment. 1973: ROE v. WADE - The court quoted POE v. ULLMAN on how the right to keep and bear arms and other rights are to have, "freedom from all substantial arbitrary impositions and purposeless restraints" under the Fourteenth Amendment. 1972: ADAMS v. WILLIAMS - In the dissent, Justices Douglas & Marshall took the portions of U.S. v. MILLER toward preservation of the Militia, but noted that some controls would be Constitutional, and preferable to "watering-down" the Fourth Amendment in this case. 1972: LAIRD v. TATUM - The court quoted Chief Justice Warren on how "fear and concern of military dominance" gave rise to the Second and Third Amendments and a decentralized militia." The right to keep and bear arms is also listed with other individual rights. 1969: BURTON v. SILLS - U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear a challenge to a STATE licensing law. Even today, the Second Amendment is not applied to the states. 1968: DUNCAN v. LOUISIANA - Court quotes Senator Howard, who introduced the Fourteenth Amendment for passage in the Senate, discussing why to pass the Amendment. Sen. Howard included "the right to keep and to bear arms" with other individual rights. 1965: GRISWOLD v. CONNECTICUT - In a case deciding that Connecticut's birth-control law unconstitutionally intrudes upon the right of marital privacy, Justice Goldberg writes a concurring opinion that, "I have not accepted the view that "due process" as used in the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates all of the first eight Amendments ... I do agree that the concept of liberty protects those personal rights that are fundamental, and is not confined to the specific terms of the Bill of Rights." As in other courts, the Second Amendment is listed with personal rights, and not distinguished or excluded as only a collective right. 1965: MARYLAND v. U.S. - The court found that the National Guard is the modern militia guaranteed to the states under Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution but does not mention what is the Militia under the Second Amendment. See also HOUSTON v. MOORE. 1964: BELL v. MARYLAND - In a footnote on Black Codes, the court noted how "Negroes were not allowed to bear arms or to appear in all public places". 1964: MALLOY v. HOGAN - The court notes in a footnote that the Second Amendment is one of the rights not yet held applicable to the states through the 14th amendment. 1963: GIDEON v. WAINWRIGHT - The court found that Amendments that are, "fundamental safeguards of liberty" are immune from both federal and state "abridgment" under the "Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment." GROSJEAN v. AMERICAN PRESS CO. and POWELL v. STATE OF ALABAMA are both cited. 1961: KONIGSBERG v. STATE BAR - The court found that Free Speech and other individual rights are based on rights "transplanted from English soil." The court went on to find Free Speech to be in unqualified terms and "In this connection also compare the equally unqualified command of the Second Amendment: 'the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.'" 1961: POE v. ULLMAN - Lists the "right to keep and bear arms" with "the freedom of speech, press, and religion;" and "the freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures." The courts seemless aproach indicates that all are individual rights. 1958: KNAPP v. SCHWEITZER - The court rejected the Fifth Amendment as applying to the States under the Fourteenth Amendment. "By 1900 the applicability of the Bill of Rights to the States had been rejected in cases involving claims based on virtually every provision in the first eight Articles of Amendment." The Court cited U.S. v. CRUIKSHANK for both the First and Second Amendments. 1957: GREEN v. UNITED STATES - Mentions how President Taft stated that the Philippine people secured "all the guaranties of our Bill of Rights except trial by jury and the right to bear arms." See also KEPNER v. U.S. and TRONO v. U S. 1950: JOHNSON v. EISENTRAGER - The Court found that the Fifth Amendment doesn't apply to alien enemies on occupied alien territory. The court listed the Second Amendment as a civil-right along with the First, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments. The Supreme Court also uses the term "werewolves." 1947: ADAMSON v. PEOPLE OF STATE OF CALIFORNIA - Justice Black in his dissent notes the many rights not incorporated under the Fourteen Amendment, including the Eighth Amendment, Seventh Amendment, and the Second Amendment's right of the people to keep and bear arms citing PRESSER v. STATE OF ILLINOIS. 1939: U.S. v. MILLER - Militia-type weapons covered under Second Amendment/Militia composed of civilians primarily and bearing their own firearms. One Summary of Miller Documents. ***** 1936: GROSJEAN v. AMERICAN PRESS CO. - Citing the findings from POWELL v. STATE OF ALABAMA , the court wrote, "We concluded that certain fundamental rights, safeguarded by the first eight amendments against federal action, were also safe-guarded against state action by the due process of law clause of the Fourteenth Amendment...." 1934: HAMILTON v. REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIF. - School's requirement for military training for all male students is upheld as constitutional, citing "duty" to "support and defend government against all enemies." 1932: POWELL v. STATE OF ALABAMA - This fourteenth amendment case quotes from TWINING v. STATE OF NEW JERSEY about, "the personal rights safeguarded by the first eight Amendments against national action may also be safeguarded against state action...." 1931: U.S. v. BLAND - A woman's petition for Naturalization is rejected because she is not willing to "bear arms in defense of the U.S." See also UNITED STATES v. SCHWIMMER & U.S. v. MACINTOSH. 1929: UNITED STATES v. SCHWIMMER - A woman's petition for Naturalization is rejected because she was not willing to "take up arms" in defense of the U.S. The court mentioned the right to keep and bear arms and stated, "Whatever tends to lessen the willingness of citizens to discharge their duty to bear arms in the country's defense detracts from the strength and safety of the government." 1915: STEARNS v. WOOD - An officer tried to use the Second Amendment, Tenth Amendment and other Constitutional protections against limits on promotions in the National Guard, but the court refused to hear his arguments. 1908: TWINING v. STATE OF NEW JERSEY - The Court concluded that the privilege against self-incrimination (Fifth Amendment) wasn't incorporated into the Fourteenth Amendment, nor are other personal rights including the 7th Amendment, "and the right to bear arms, guaranteed by the 2d Amendment" citing PRESSER v. STATE OF ILLINOIS 1905: TRONO v. U.S. - In questioning whether an action of the Supreme Court of the Philippines, then a U.S. possession, violated an act of Congress applying most of the Bill of Rights to the Philippines, the court noted that the Act omitted "the provisions in regard to the right of trial by jury and the right of the people to bear arms, . . . . " See also KEPNER v. U.S. 1904: KEPNER v. U.S. - Noted that the act of Congress regarding rights in the Philippines forget several Amendments, including the "the right of the people to bear arms" among several others. See also TRONO v. U.S. 1900: MAXWELL v. DOW - Cited PRESSER v. STATE OF ILLINOIS on how "all citizens capable of bearing arms constitute the reserved military force of the national government". 1900: U S v. ELDER - The court repeatedly cited Government officials in the 1800s that provided "notice that they should keep arms sufficient for their defense." 1900: THE PANAMA - The court recognized that a ship carries guns and cannons for "self-defense" and quoted from Portalis, "defense is a natural right, and means of defense are lawful in voyages at sea, as in all other dangerous occupations of life". However, this did not apply to enemy property like the Panama. 1897: ROBERTSON v. BALDWIN - The court notes that each of the "Bill of Rights" have limitations on those rights, including the freedom of speech and of the press; the right of the people to keep and bear arms; double jeopardy, etc. 1896: BROWN v. WALKER - In his dissent, Justice Field quoted the counsel for the appellant: "The freedom of thought, of speech, and of the press; the right to bear arms; exemption from military dictation;. . . . . -- are, together with exemption from self-crimination, the essential and inseparable features of English liberty." 1894: MILLER v. TEXAS - Court refused to expand the Second and Fourth Amendment to the States since it was not brought up first during the trail. A very unfortunate trial mistake. 1892: LOGAN v. U.S. - The Court was faced with a question about the scope of the conspiracy statute involved in U.S. v. CRUIKSHANK. The court found that the First and Second Amendments under Cruikshank are not granted by the Constitution, but were both already existing and only a limitation on Congress. This case failed to recognize the Fourteen Amendment (Equal Protection - 1868). 1886: PRESSER v. STATE OF ILLINOIS - Second Amendment only a limitation on Congress, not the States. This case failed to recognize the Fourteen Amendment (Equal Protection - 1868). 1875: U.S. v. CRUIKSHANK - First and Second Amendment rights only limitation on Congress. These rights are not granted by, nor in any manner dependent, upon the Constitution. This case failed to recognize the Fourteen Amendment (Equal Protection - 1868). 1866: EX PARTE MILLIGAN - The court discounted the notion that The Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendments were limitations on "war-making" powers. Similarly, the right of the people to keep and bear arms would not "hinder the President from disarming insurrectionists, rebels, and traitors in arms while he was carrying on war against them." 1857: DRED SCOTT v. SANDFORD - Slavery kept legal based in part on the fear that freed slaves could "carry arms wherever they went" under the Second Amendment. 1844: THE MALEK ADHEL - A piracy case where the court noted that "All vessels going to the Pacific carry arms for defence." 1820: HOUSTON v. MOORE - This case seems to distinguish the Militia powers under Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution and "the right to keep and bear arms." Future decisions only mention one provision or the other. See also MARYLAND v. U.S. 1803: MARBURY v. MADISON - The court found that the Constitution is the "superior, paramount law" of the land and that "a law repugnant to the constitution is void; and that courts, as well as other departments, are bound by that instrument." witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  23. Before I spent time in court, I used to think it was their job to figure out the law. Now I know many of them don't give a rusty F() decision. In reality I have seen that it is decision --> law. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  24. Sorry, I should have posted information for those not up on this one. One very important section of McCain-Feingold states that no commercial can name a candidate within a certain timeframe before an election. This affects groups not connected to candidates. IT stops groups from running ads informing voters about candidates' histories. Let's say a candidate runs on a partially pro-gun platform, but has voted for a lot of gun control. THe NRA can't bring his record to light. Let's say a candidate runs as environmentally friendly. Eco-groups can't come out and say he supported tearing up the ANWR and burning down the rainforests. It places unreasonable limits on free speech. Everyone from the NRA to the ACLU filed suit against the law. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*
  25. At New York's Kennedy airport today, a high school teacher was arrested trying to board a flight with a ruler, a protractor, a setsquare, a slide rule and a calculator. Attorney General John Ashcroft said he believes the man is a member of the notorious al-gebra movement and is charged by the FBI with carrying weapons of math instruction. "Al-gebra is a fearsome cult," Ashcroft said, "They desire average solutions by means and extremes, and sometimes go off on tangents in a search of absolute value. They use secret code names like 'x' and 'y'and refer to themselves as 'unknowns,' but we have determined they belong to a common denominator of the axis of medieval with coordinates in every country. Besides, the Greek philanderer Isosceles used to say there are 3 sides to every triangle," Ashcroft declared. President Bush said, "If God had wanted us to have better weapons of math instruction, he would have given us more fingers and toes. "I am gratified that our government has given us a sine that it is intent on protracting us from these math-dogs who are willing to disintegrate us with calculus disregard. Murky statisticians love to inflict plane on every sphere of influence," the President said, adding: "Under the circumferences, we must differentiate their root, make our point, and draw the line." President Bush warned, "These weapons of math instruction have the potential to decimal everything in their math on a scalene never before seen unless we become exponents of a Higher Power and begin to factor-in random facts of vertex." Ashcroft said, "As our Great Leader would say, read my ellipse. Here is one principle he is uncertainty of: though they continue to multiply, their days are numbered as the hypotenuse tightens around their necks." witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*